Do people really believe that we lost the Vietnam war? We significantly outnumbered their casualties 1 to 1000. We left because we don't care about that chink hole anymore and now the government is teaching our children that we lost???
KEKS sicken me and voting a Muslim nigger was the last straw. I can't bear what the left is doing to our great country anymore
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You lost
then tell how the communist north won
The only war USA won in its entire history was the civil war.
> We significantly outnumbered their casualties 1 to 1000
Wanna have a talk?
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What does this have to do with Vietnam??
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There was no defined objective to obtain. so how could we have won? No, we definitely lost. and it still resounds today, without an objective in war, like all our modern, ambiguous wars, there is no way to win it will always be perpetual war.
Turn off you proxy Australia.
Anyone who says the US "lost" the Vietnam War is either an edgy Yuropoor or a complete idiot. We did not lose, but we also didn't "win" either.
To understand what happened, you first need to realize that the point was never to unite the country. We had tried this in Korea and it turned out poorly for us, because it caused China to enter the war and almost led to WWIII.
This time around, when China and the USSR said that it would mean war if we directly invaded North Vietnam, we didn't feel like calling their bluff. This was the first recipe for disaster. It is impossible to cut off a communist insurgency in the South when the people supplying them and supporting them are untouchable. They hid in Cambodia, Laos, and North Vietnam because they knew we didn't want to "expand" the war.
Second, you must realize the "domino theory." At this point in history, communism was spreading fast throughout Asia. Alarmingly so. Many in the US believed that if we simply let Vietnam go down without intervention, next thing we knew, all of Southeast Asia and Oceania would be Red. I for one agree with that entirely.
So, we did the best we could. We wiped out thousands, maybe millions of the fuckers. We bombed the ever loving fuck out of their infrastructure. We even maid raids into Cambodia and Laos. It wasn't enough. So, we tried the only thing left. We trained the ARVN. And in many ways, they lived up to expectations. Many South Vietnamese didn't want to be commies. However, their leadership sucked ass, and that's what ultimately lost them the war after we left.
But did we accomplish our goals? Well, yes and no. On one hand, South Vietnam no longer exists and Saigon is called Ho Chi Minh City. On the other hand, after literally 30 years of war, other countries in the region saw what happens when half the country wants to be commies and half doesn't, and as such, communism pretty much didn't progress much past Indochina.
It was a tactical US failure, but a strategic victory.
>Do people really believe that we lost the Vietnam war?
Winning the battles and having a higher kill ratio does not mean you win the War. The War's objective was to limit the spread of Communism in Vietnam. It failed to do so
You could argue the US didn't and it was the South Vietnamese that lost the war in the end
>>>american education
My great grandfather is in the 0.22 ;)
'twas but a battle, not a war
Because we failed to protect our allies.
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Our side's Total Dead minimum is higher, and our Total Wounded is far higher (because we had proper medics to save the wounded).
Bruh, we pulled out before the war was even over, and considering the war destroyed the United States citizens' faith in the military, it sounds a lot like a loss.
You won the battle but not the war my friend. Not because you were not strong enough but because of world politics. Fucking shame really.
Because the goal was never to stay for as long as we did.
We were put in a bad position. We couldn't go out and end the war because it would mean that the USSR and China would get involved and a lot more Americans would die.
But on the other hand, we couldn't just pack up and leave immediately like everyone at home wanted because we didn't want to abandon an ally to die.
So we did the only thing we could. We continued our counter-insurgency operations while training the ARVN to take over our role when we left. And again, it worked. The ARVN were perfectly capable fighters when led by American personnel. The problem is that when we said "alright guys, you've got everything you need, we're leaving," we left them WITHOUT that American leadership. Their NCOs and officers sucked fucking ass, and they lost because of it.
Like I said, it wasn't a total loss and it wasn't a total victory either. South Vietnam fell, but we upheld our end of the bargain. When Saigon fell, we even started pushing millions of dollars worth of jets and helicopters off the decks of aircraft carriers to make room for more refugees. We didn't just abandon our friends, we fought with them for as long as we could and tried our best to help them stand on their own two feet.
As a consequence, South Vietnam may no longer exist, but communism is Asia stopped in Indochina.
You're not playing well with semantics here friend.
I agree to an extent with your point about their being a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but specifically speaking about the "war" in vietnam, we did not win. and when you do not win, you lose.
Whatever positive windfall we got from it is irrelevant to this point.
The was was lost at home,
>when you do not win you lose
War is not so black and white, my friend.
The Korean War is a good example of this. South Korea didn't "win." They didn't unite the country, but they were able to survive and have gone on to be a prosperous, first world country. Finland did not "win" the Winter War, but they were able to survive and maintain their independence, and as such they didn't lose either.
The US failed its goal of protecting South Vietnam, but accomplished its goal of halting the spread of communism. That's why I said it was a tactical failure but a strategic victory.
lol
It doesn't matter. We blew those gooks and their mudhuts 20 times over. How did they win again?
Nice one. Are lefties this delusional?
You are right up to the point where we "didn't win" our homeland was safe and freedom remained in our country. Theirs were BTFO back to the stone she
Lefty propaganda. Wikipedia is crowd funded and can be edited by anyone (I.e. Jews). Do you also read aljazeera news? Lefties amuse me
It's a crime that people are this stupid nowadays. It IS that black and white, just like race and gender 'issues' in this sick country. Niggers, gays, and liberals have ruined this country enough while they thrive in the "grayness" of their made up issues. Gays are morally wrong, niggers are trash, and liberals are mentally sick.
Lefties and SJWs are a disease
We got out because we just didn't give enough shit about that gook hole. They couldn't even sustain themselves and today they glorify the whites.
>won the Cold War
>lost Vietnam
same country
How do people even believe this?Ofc USA completed the targest it had and left as it was a resource waste.
The tet offensive alone won them the war.
Hes german...russia sustained way more casualties than germany and still rolfstomped them..
Because the Jews control the American education system. Simple. We need to get WHITE AMERICANS back in control the way it's supposed to be.
Too many fucking gooks, chinks, and all kinds of niggers running around in my high school thinking they're all equal to whites
The Revolutionary War counts as a Victory considering that we only had minimal French aid and we had declared their self a country before the war even officially started
The USA absolutely ended up winning in Vietnam.
>Won every military engagement.
>When the USA left South Vietnam, it was still a sovereign country
>Current status, USA is a trading partner with Vietnam, becoming more aligned with it militarily against China, and culturally the Vietnamese love us.
Actually South Vietnam lost the war.
How's that shitstain country you live in?
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Fuck off
>We significantly outnumbered their casualties 1 to 1000
Means nothing, if you go by casualties I guess Britain won the Revolutionary War
> We left because we don't care about that chink hole anymore
The reason the USA went into the war was to prevent South Vietnam falling to communism, so containment. You failed to do that. Your damage control won't change anything. "W-we didn't care anyway!".
Russia had double advantage in manpower. Russia won because of Germany running out of recruits.
Communism is only contained to Vietnam to this day. We've fucked then so hard with our superior technology, military and culture that they worship the whites now. Try again, lib
>Communism is only contained in Vietnam to this day
Fucking retard. As a result of the war Laos, South Vietnam and Cambodia all became Communist, other countries surrounding the North.
>We've fucked then so hard with our superior technology, military and culture that they worship the whites now
Fucked what? Yourselves. Even though the Tet Offensive was a failure you pussies still backed away and gave up like little faggots, with the "superior technology" and all.
>the us military in vietnam was white
you send your nogs to do the dirty work. (not that I am complaining)
Not an argument
You left and it became worse than when it started. You wasted money and lives for fucking nothing. That's a loss.
Yet another war in which good Australians are lost for the wars of burgers and bongs.
you dont just lost to vietnam
you got humiliated
>hurr durr we kill more. doesnt matter that they over ran the capital of the south, regained complete control and still control it to this day
whatever you want to believe redneck.
>Bulgaria is on the allies side only, but Romania on both
>Crovatia
Good for him
>We
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He said civil war you fucking retard
"Lost" is when you initiate a war and then fail to win. The defenders remained undefeated. America lost. It was a fucking stupid war to start with, so America lost doubly for starting a war for retarded reasons and then not being able to win it.
Sounds pretty familiar, anons.
The only thing US won is, experience to not get into affairs like that ever again...
>Do people really believe that we lost the Vietnam war?
I bet you think you somehow won the war of 1812, too.
Y'know, despite being the original aggressor intent on conquest, but ended up with its shit packed in hard, its capital ransacked, and its army chased all the way to the fucking Gulf of Mexico.
>our K/D score is higher so that means we won the game right???1 right guys?
you guys failed the reason for going to war in the 1st place. You guys lost.
>we
You didnt lose or win a shit
YOU LOST
Lol at the US casualties compared to our less capable allies. Try again troll
We came in, Blew you gooks out of your own mudholes, then got bored. If it weren't for whites, your country would have been shit
> Implying it's not a gook hole like the rest of SEA
i love videos like this
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Don't forget the cost to the U.S.A. Much of the money to fight in Viet-Nam was borrowed at interest and basically is still being paid.
The cost of disability payments, medical treatment of injured vets last year was app. $500,000,000.
>There was no defined objective to obtain
Wait, you left because you couldn't overcome a fucking rural country. Shame on you.
How come South Vietnam doesn't exist anymore?
>Do people really believe that we lost the Vietnam war?
lol
Yes, and so do you.
The French told you not to try it.
If you feel you lost because you had no objective (don't really believe that but whatevs), then isn't the real reason you lost because of hubris?
it's funny how a mcdolans instantly means that the americans have cultural influence there
>Do people really believe that we lost the Vietnam war?
It's because Idiots have formed this idea that the Tet Offensive pushed the US out of Vietnam and the fall of Saigon was the final battle because all they ever seen of it was the evacuation of US Embassy.
They seem to forget the Paris Treaty and 3 years of relative peace between the North and South. Yes the North was bidding it's time and the South was going to shit it the meantime. The US cut money to SV by 85% to 90%, they went from Billions to Millions overnight. While they had more Tanks than NV, the oil embargo opec put on them under made sure they had little fuel for anything.
shit was fucked.
>We did not lose, but we also didn't "win" either.
>didn't win
>you first need to realize that the point was never to unite the country. We had tried this in Korea and [lost that war, too]
>China and the USSR said that it would mean war if we directly invaded North Vietnam, we didn't feel like calling their bluff.
>didn't feel like
This was the first recipe for disaster.
>disaster
It is impossible.. when the people...are untouchable.
>They hid!
>communism was spreading... all of Southeast Asia and Oceania would be Red.
>spreading
>So, we did the best we could.
>best we could
>It wasn't enough.
>Vietnamese..leadership sucked ass
>But did we accomplish our goals?
>no.
>communism pretty much didn't progress much past Indochina.
>It was a tactical US failure
One day you'll see the truth in your own words ⤴.
There's no shame in losing conflicts in Korea/VietNam/Bay of Pigs/Cold War (yeah, you lost: you got snowed on Turkey)/Iraq/Afghanistan
>The USA absolutely ended up winning in Vietnam.
lol
COMEON -- if someone said about a sports team that lost, or if someone from another country said this about some war they were in, you laugh.
And rightly so.
>minimal french aid
>36,000 French troops in America
>minimal
sure bud
You know who is almost as bad as sjw's/liberals in their denial and mental gymnastics?
People who dont think u.s. lost the vietnam war.
War isn't about killing more men, though that usually helps to achieve your goals.
Your goals were to halt communism in Vietnam. How did that turn out for you after the war? (Do note: Saying that Vietnam is no longer communist is like saying the whites won the Russian civil war because soviet union eventually fell.)
Honestly you didn't really win, but you didn't have the "embarrassing loss" that many people seem to think. You pretty much kicked ass and eventually pulled out due to hippies.
Your side lost though. You weren't the only ones there.
USA has gone to war to root our communism from Vietnam.
Country ended up communist.
Hence USA lost.
There is such thing as Pyrrhic victory. Sheety but still a victory