Why does everyone hate libertarians?

Why does everyone hate libertarians?

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Not sure, they want to advance technology quicker than anyone.

They refuse to acknowledge that their society only works with whites (particularly Anglos)

Why are those clips yellow

It would only work in small communities, a population of 300 million with libertarian values? Good Luck Chicago!

> Somalia = Libertarian Paradise

Theyre pissed because the rise of Trump and the rise of the "alt right" was supposed to happen to the libertarian party, Trumpkins have pushed them to the edge

Freedom and personal responsibility makes people nervous, especially those reliant on government money and sponsorship.

>what are banana clips

A FUCKING LEAF

This, pretty much. But for me it's more the fact that they think their liberty can be preserved with open borders.

Because they're either naive or willfully ignorant.

because most of them are open borders shills

As a libertarian, I think I can safely say that 99% of lolbertarians are euphoric faggots with no firm stance in reality.

They're like communists. They're the type of people who spout the "Hurrr real ____ has never been tried before!"

They insist that their society would work, but only if it exists in this sort of magical fantasyland like communism where things like corruption and crime don't exist.

I consider myself a "soft" libertarian. I'm absolutely for telling the federal government to go fuck itself. I think everyone should be allowed to do (more or less) anything that doesn't harm someone else. But I draw the line at shit like hard drugs (because in reality, you cannot just "do heroine" without harming anyone else, hard drugs breed crime, this is a fact). Nor do I think open borders are a good idea (because in reality, immigrants coming here because they think its the Promised Land are going to want free shit, and to get free shit, you need Big Government. Also, they cause crime and take shit away from actual natives).

Lolbertarians have some good ideas when it comes to smaller government and individual liberty, but they go pants-on-head retarded when they try to claim shit like "society would work just fine without government!" or "people can do whatever the hell they want!"

Men must be governed. They must not be governed with a tight fist, but rather with a gentle hand.

It's an """"ideology"""" for teenagers and mental teenagers that don't understand that a man is not an island.

>clips

This desu, while I agree with a lot of libertarianism I still support strong border controls

>Kokesh

I hate this guy.

I like librarys

Their ideas are pie in the sky and could never work in reality. Much like communism.

But I like the brand of libertarianism that is for weaker central government and stronger states rights.

They don't, the globalists are just attempting counter memetics.

Liberty != Anarchy

Because Marijuana is the most destructive drug on the planet, Guns should be banned, and i love getting my income taxed so niggers can get free money for the government. Also preventing niggers from getting abortions is one of my top priorities.

those are magazines

Because they have the same fervent idealism of the far Left. They treat government the same way that feminists treat the Patriarchy. (I know there is no "Patriarchy", but there is to feminists.)

I agree with libertarians on most issues, but their worship of certain principles and objects is so autistic and obnoxious that I end up distancing myself from the ideology out of embarrassment. It's like they're incapable of understanding that government might universally exist for a reason and that capitalism isn't infallible.

I also love music, and I can't help thinking of all the good that the pursuit of profit has done for the music industry.

Libertarian policies would be even more disasterous for america than liberal policies

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a libertarian nation with strong borders and no Islam would be pretty great

This. You need strict border and immigration control with no (((ethnic monopoly on media))) if you want a free society. They seem to care more about being "consistent" with the means (open borders, blm being libertarian because it's anti-government) than the actual end goal.

Don't know, mate.
But I love bananas. I've got an Irish friend and he reckons that we can live on Guinness and bananas.
He tells me that all nutrition can be gained from dark stout beer and bananas.
I tried it for a week. My turds were painful and bloody. And I was in a drunken haze.
Fucking Irish people. I swear they are fucking with us English.

Sins of the father etc.

Because they are delusional retards that think a lawless society where big companies that rule everything is better than a Government that rules everything.

Look at how people act in video games, that's how people would act in reality if there was no authority enforcing laws.

legal heroin is actually not crime by definition, heroin use will exist either way why not bring the degeneracy to the spotlight instead of pretending it doesn't happen or using laws (war on drugs worked so well bro)?

also libertarianism =/= anarchy

Because like most of pol, a lot of libertarians are neckbeard fedora wearing manchildren who own anime pillows.

libertarian =/= anarchy

the brand you describe is literally the ideology

This, You have to find a middle between no government and a totalitarian government, both extremes are retarded

I agree with everything here.

Most libertarians would get squashed like a bug in a truly libertarian society.

Because people are fucking stupid and form opinions before understanding what words mean. They think it means anarchist. It means the opposite of authoritarian, and every Western country is libertarian. You absolutely want your society to be libertarian, and so do the people who'd say they "hate" it.

people hate the weak and people hate the smug

I miss Austin Peterson...

THAT was a libertarian I think could have REALLY propelled the party in the mainstream

> no arguments
> government doesn't exist (govt is similar to patriarchy)
> capitalism doesn't breed the very best music on earth

kys

An ancap is just an extremist libertarian. The problems with libertarianism are exactly the same, just moderated slightly.

Because they're open border retards that think niggers will magically follow the NAP.

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Because you're all ideological idiots. Individualism isn't necessarily a good thing, especially when taken to the extreme, across the board.

That said, if you have to identify as a "libertarian" and mention that out loud, you're probably obnoxious because it's already the default position to have and it's meaningless to say you are one. So disregard my shitpost, I suck cocks. That's a solid reason to hate them.

libertarianism =/= anarchy

libertarianism is minimal govt which is between those extremes

define slightly. There is an enormous difference between having no government whatsoever and having a limited federal government. If Ron Paul became president you wouldn't be able to legally sell heroin to children and we would still have roads.

He wasn't asking for arguments. He asked why I don't like the ideology.

You missed the patriarchy analogy so bad it hurts

Capitalism doesn't produce music, people do

>people wanted a libertarian
>that wanted stronger borders
>and make it illegal for aryans to abort children

You had your chance America.

often for the sake of having technology

Not HATE, but they have some pretty lame ideas regarding open borders and turning a blind eye to some pretty degenerate shit under the guise of "if it doesn't hurt anyone else, it's fine" that pretty much make them the lolbertarians they've become.

If they could clean up a few points that are their weak spots, they'd be viable, but Gary Johnson is a fucking stoner kook (whose weed accessory company he was pushing for investors on a while ago has gone nowhere, so fuck his business sense as well), you can't win a general election with a man who says "I'll finally stop smoking pot if you elect me president", so that's why the party is a joke now.

actually false also key word "moderated"

I used to like Kokesh but he became a faggot a while ago

Oops, misread "breed".

Yeah, it doesn't.

literally not an argument individualism would be anarchy you facebook tier faggot

Meme ideology that manages to be even more meme than communism.
Also, cringe tier party leaders.

Epic fedora meemes.

>live in libertarian society
>play football
>tackle a guy as part of the game
>he shoots me because I violated the NAP
>crawl into the nearest hospital
>they won't treat me because I dont have 10K in cash with me
>die on the spot
>they send my children a bill for throwing my body in a dumpster
oh well, I guess this is the price of freedom

Because true conservatism is a libertarians wet dream they are just too afraid to admit it and help us peruse it.

> you dont understand my nuanced intent haha dumb
> people create the music within the context of capitalism is an ideology which obviously cant vreate stuff by itself
>i am a retarded backtracking statist

open border cucks

Sup Forums sucking Government' dick, as always.

I'm
>mostly
a libertarian and a former an cap, former lib soc, former mutalist.

>With the ancaps:
I don't see any situation in which PDAs won't devolve into a state- an entity with a geographic monopoly or cartel on the use of force and arbitration.

Furthermore some market failures do exist, especially around asymmetric information.

Not all actors are rational.

Not all actions can be boiled down to market terms.

>With the minarchists:
They need to realize that by allowing an means of coercion to exist, through voting[away others rights and resources],

immigration (state program that lets people of possibly coercive agendas to come here, whereas even private living complexes like restricted covenants and gated communities do extensive background checks)

and access to 'rights' and the criminal justice system, forces outside and in can be aggressive to you, using the state as the third party.

>With libertarians in general
They deny the aggregate welfare usage, crime rates, IP violations, voting patterns and cognitive capabilities of certain groups- save for some who hinted at this like Rothbard, Hoppe, and Friedman.

They don't realize that not all the Pentagon does is evil, and that we need to protect our free allies from larger, stronger, aggressive actors.

They don't realize that US global hegemony under its military strength- blowback aside- undergirds a safer world under which safer trade can take place, and thus an excellent ROI.

They don't realize that if we reduce total centralization and coercion in all areas, certain actors paying no heed to individual liberties of their own citizens will take this an opportunity to seize assets and liberties.

It's a sliding scale obviously. At some point the name changes form libertarian to ancap. So close to that line a libertarian society would be essentially indistinguishable form an ancap society. More moderate libertarians would continue to suffer from the problems of living in a society that is amoral and hyper individualistic (i.e., antisocial) to varying degrees depending on just how libertarian they are, but at any point where libertarianism is a defining feature you're going to see seriously warped and chaotic norms.

>Open borders memers.

The big L Libertarian Party has ruined the movement. There is nothing less open than property lines. When the roads and housing are owned privately, criminals cannot literally walk up to your front door like that can in today's society (and would still be allowed to do even in the closed borders society you advocate for). This bars a large section of black society from even entering your community, possibly to the point where the community feels it's more expedient to ban blacks altogether.

tfw you build straw men

Kys lolbertarian. Your meme ideology is dead. People love antagonism, wealth accumulation and violence.

It wasn't nuanced. Good music is almost never made for the purpose of making a profit; musicians usually have to sacrifice quality to appeal to wider audiences. I never backtracked.

>le enlightened libertarian who is so much more logical than statist scum

Bait

>> Somalia = Libertarian Paradise
This fucking meme...

+1 I don't believe in all the wild west an-cap stuff. Just smaller gov, more freedoms.

name a better system. name a country with a move thriving entertainment industry than america. name a place where art reaches its highest peak that doesnt have free speech.

Your countries boarders are the equivalent to your woman's pussyhole. Naturally you want to protect it from invaders. Lolbertarians believe in spreading the pussy and anus of your daughters to all.

This. I think we would need a good few decades of National Socialism in our countries before libertarian governments.

>Gary Johnson is a fucking stoner kook

Ah yes, lets run down the list:

>Gary "I support Obama's executive orders, forcing states to grant and recognize same sex marriage licenses businesses to bake cakes, as well as open borders to people with no respect to the NAP" Johnson

>William "Gun Grabber" Weld

>Bob "Patriot Act" Barr

>John "The Libertarian Party has sadly become a refuge for Whites and males" McAfee

>Marc "that Hindu Atheist Buddhist Christian libertarian" Allan "literal autism" Feldman

>Cecil "Subversive Hollywood Media" Ince

This

America has the single most cancerous and destructive entertainment industry in the history of humanity. Niggers fingerpainting zebras in caves was better; at least they weren't shitting up popular culture with trash back then.

>t. Shekelburg Shekelstein

Not gonna lie, I really like this picture.

It seems like it would be a very very smart thing to shrink the size of the federal government by a huge amount, say at least 25%
It also seems like it would be a good move to reduce taxes, government spending, and the scope of power the federal government has in daily lives.

These are things that basically only libertarians are promoting. Conservatives in the US do not want to shrink the federal government or reduce its power or reduce taxes.

cause i hate the jews and libertarianism is the most jewish ideology around

>I can't help thinking of all the good that the pursuit of profit has done for the music industry.

- I don't see how someone selling music stops other people from making music on a non-profit basis.
- IP laws violate real property rights and are the only think keeping record companies a float these days (even if prosecution is low, it still instills in normal people the idea that piracy is difficult or will get them caught). Arts in the libertarian society would more likely be done on a patron to artist basis.

Funnily enough, you can live off of potatoes.

Because most people hate other people's children.

It's biology.

The open borders thing is pipe dreamy like communism. I can see their footing for open borders if there is anarchy, but to promote open borders into a country that has a bureaucratic labyrinth with social progams and huge tax burdens is putting the cart before the horse. It makes no sense.

Libertarianism is a false utopia just like communism. Nothing wrong with the idea but to go full libertarian just isn't feasible

"Libertarian" is too broad. Its anarcho-capitalists and minarchists. They refuse to acknowledge that their idoeloies, like all "pure" ideologies, have their limits. They're based on UPB. But UPB is disproven instantly when you look at the natural world. In many cases, it IS more preferable for a group of individuals to steal off others. That's why fucking carnivores exist. They'll say "its not beneficial to anyone to steal" while biting into a fucking chicken wing that the chicken had to consume resources to make. And that's why you need another agency to enforce the rule of law.

the snake meme is funny

communism is way more jewy

not even close

this right here.
i was lolbertarian until i realized brown people have a high tendency not to respect the non aggression principle

Communism is basically libertarianism with only one corporation called the state.

It's a very Jew-y ideology IMO.

Theres plenty of people who identify as libertarian but could be described as 'constitutionalists' so they are not iideologicaly 'pure' in the same way as communists or an-caps

I think the vein of libertarianism that is most popular is basically constitutionalist, to reduce the power of the federal government, to recognize that centralized power more often than not fucks everything up and has no accountability

they are literally opposites you retard

I share similar views to you, I believe this is the "common sense" approach the party should adapt. Even if it's not "true" libertarianism who gives a fuck, still a much better option than what the republicans or dems have been offering

Not really, lad. A communist state is basically a big corporation that owns everything in the country and employs everybody and has no big gubbment breathing down it's neck.

That's what I am because I believe the function of a society, by definition, is to allow its basic unit, the indiviudal, to pursue its wants and needs. But that can only happen in a framework where people who's wants and needs are fucking other people over for their own gain are controlled.

Yes, my post only applies when the government doesn't own land and cannot force you to accept immigrants on your land (which, really, just means that they own your land in some sense). The concept of open borders makes no sense in a completely privatized society.

As long as all forms of welfare exist -- and this includes things like schooling, infrastructure, and police protection* -- then immigration must be strictly controlled and this does not compromise libertarian principles. Protecting yourself from further theft is the backbone of libertarianism but the Libertarian Party doesn't get that.

This doesn't necessarily mean that immigration control must be done at the federal level -- if welfare and government owned land were done only at the state or county level then so too could immigration control be done at the state or county level. California could wallow in mediocrity without affecting Montana.

* I would even add democracy to that list. History has shown that no matter how strong the constitution is, as long as people get a say in government simply by living there the constitution will eventually be eroded and people will once again vote themselves goodies at your expense. Switzerland has this right where you must be a citizen to vote and just moving there doesn't automatically make you a citizen.

>They're based on UPB.

We are not all Stefan cultists.