Why can't Spain make a referendum like civilized countries (UK or Canada)?

Why can't Spain make a referendum like civilized countries (UK or Canada)?

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Only Anglos have democracy/freedom. The rest of you pissants just have to make do.

hey, we have democracy, too

Scots are somehow a more responsible people despite their alcohol problems.

Catalans would just vote with their emotions.

>Implying the sc*ts didn't do the same thing

If they used their emotions ahead of reason, they would be independent right now

Ah but that's where you're wrong because in fact, the scots have no emotions

>spain
>civilized

it's in our nature to chimp out from time to time

Guess what nobodies have it!
Democracy is a goal not a state.

I'm literally shaking. I never thought such a thing could happen. Old women thrown to the ground bleeding, policemen throwing people down the stairs, instead of treating this legally they have chose to destroy Catalonia as a dictatorship would do.

I can no longer support this country. This is way too far. Spain is not a civilized nation.

Im from Spain. The referendum its ilegal, first because of the national goverment that its carried by assholes, second by the regional catalan goverment that are more assholes than the first. They cant dialogue because they dont use the head, they are only using the heart, and you cant think logically only using this. Sorry by the ortograf.

What even made them suddenly decide they want a referendum

Im from Spain

>No policeman left in the rest of spain
TIME TO COMMIT CRIMES BOYS

Is it fault of the EU?

Because our constitution only allows to make referendums if the whole country can vote. What you can't do is to make a referendum just for a region because Catalonia isn't owned by just the catalans but the 46 million spaniards.

They just like to cry and what they really want is to have 1st class spaniards(like the basques) and 2nd class spaniards(the rest). Because in the school they teach them that they are some kind of sons of god and the rest are just bonehead cavemen.

thinks independence from a country is not a mater decided by violence.

turks will vote for turkey 2.0 in germany, germans will happily oblige since its their democratic right.

Referendum is illegal. Using violence to stop it it's a thing you would expect from Venezuela or Cameroon, not a EU country.

Naturally, whenever you're in doubt on who to blame, blame the EU

Worked out fine for us

>hey, we have democracy, too

You are not a sovereign country.
Nobody here is.

This is a long long storie. But this "independentism chance" started in 2009. The real storie goes away in the past, in the time that Spain was divided in Castilla Reign and Aragon Reign.

rude

The anglo was right.
Anglos shape the world now.

>Southern European nations
>Civilized

EEUU is more civilized right?

How does this justify police shooting rubber bullets at citizens and punching and throwing elderly people?

How can a referendum be illegal though?

Are opinion polls illegal as well?

>How can a referendum be illegal though?
Spanish concept of "democracy" is similar to those found in Venezuela or North Korea

It doesnt justify it. The goverment think that it was a good idea to stop it :/

The unite of Spain cant be broken. It is in our constitution, its a law. No one can be over the law

Voting in a ilegal ref its not democracy :)

Yeah, democracy is breaking old people skulls

The whole Catalonian independence is scam. It is illegal and they are fake separatists waving EU flags.

Buen chico, Manolo.

The Dutch government hated our anti-Ukraine referendum as well.
So they tried to open less voting booths in hope not 30% of the population would vote, making the referendum invalid.
And they downplayed it's importance in hope people wouldn't vote.

But their strategy failed. And the majority of voters is almost all regions voted against Ukraine and EU collaboration.
And then our government ignored the results. Despite that they said up front that they would honor the results.

what were we telling you since 1990s

They wanted to vote, so they had to be stopped

Disgusting ape.

But if the vote is illegal then it has no impact of the government. So there is no problem if people vote.

*impact on

pretty sure that was sarcasm

Veo tu bandera de españa asi que te hablo en español que en ingles no se decirlo. No justifico en absoluto la violencia, pero esta es una consecuencia a la desobediencia civil. Si no se hubiera empezado con la pantomima de la secesion no estariamos hablando ahora mismo de cargar policiales ni violencia. Insisto, no la justifico, me parece deleznable y denunciable, pero ellos solos se han metido en esta situacion. Y llorando no se arreglan las cosas.

This is Spain. This is what you're defending. There is no middle point when one side is doing this.

I dont understand where all the hate comes from?
Madrid did not put Catalan children into concentration camps like the Croats did with Serbians

You snooze you lose. No mercy for c*talonians

Youre right. Just tell it to the fools that are in the goverment. And then try to tell it to the other fools in the Catalonian goverment. No one listens to nobody here.

We didn't put los SerbiANOS in concentration camps back in the 90es. We politely escorted them to the Bosnian border and gave them parting gift flowers. They had camps here and in Bosnia back then

This is pure hipocresy. You are telling me not to justify violence and IM NOT, but you are using the violence to justify something that is ilegal. Curious.

Democracy is a means not a goal.

Spaniards, what is the best result in this?

even though the croats made the most decisive change of ethnic structure in west balkanic history during 1990s, they didn't really have concentration camps back then

I am speaking of the Ustase

If you defend a state that does this to remain united, you're defending that. Sorry.

Because they (the spanish and the catalonian gov) are using this to cover their corruption.
If you'd ask people from Spain most of them would want Catalonians to vote.

The Ustaša regime was not present during the nineties, otherwise they'd actually have camps here and the ethnic cleansing would happen in form of mass murder

If you're defending a government who has brainwashed people for decades to this to happen, you're defending that. Sorry.

>Because they (the spanish and the catalonian gov) are using this to cover their corruption.

he is right tho

I did not meam the 90s, where did I write it?

Was the Ustase even that bad necessarily? Give me a quick rundown please.

People elect governments, not the inverse way. Spaniards elect fascism, catalonians don't. Get over it, monkey.

It's interesting how EU officials are silent as fuck about this while thing

You can't imagine how easily they chimp out at the slightest happening in Balkans

EU and USA really fucked up when they supported Kosovo

>Was the Ustase even that bad necessarily?
even the Wehrmacht thought of intervening because they were that babaric, ISIS tier

How do you go from his 90es post to mentioning Croatian concentration camps is beyond me. Read your post again

EU countries are hypocrites, just like everybody else.

Killing potential taxpayers in an already depopulated area is always a bad idea

Is that a picture of the instrument that they used? If so that seems like proof of their ingenuity.

Creative design

Yes, even Nazis were disgusted by them

Name one thing wrong with what the Spanish government is doing.

it's because when two balkanites disagree in a conversation, they're barbaric chimps that want to kill each other, but when english pull something like londonderry they fight for progres of democracy, civilization and human rights

They are not using live rounds

BREAKING NEWS: A 64 year old catalonian voter, hospitalized in critical state after spanish police shoot him directly in the right eye

>Srbosjek(literally "Serb cutter" inCroatian, often referred to as "cutthroat")

Lmao. Literally "Serb cutter". You cant make this shit up these Croats are madmen!

The fuck are you on fascism, you stupid shit? If this was fascism, everybody in the fucking street would be fucking executed.

I'm not from Catalonia, but I think that they should do the referendum
Anyways, PP really fucked up things, nothing will be the same anymore

You must be new here. That pic being posted is as old as this board.

Source or stfu, faggot

I've seen it dozens of times but honestly I never looked into what it was. The name alone is ridiculous.

Violence is not the answer, when you're from a hillbilly Balkan country, that is
This rioting and and tyrannical behavior in Spain is a defense of democratic rights laid out by our forefathers

Breaking elderly skulls isn't any better.

Hopefully their bad behaviour can be stopped soon. What they're doing is wrong.

The Catalans I mean, hopefully they can be stopped

That pic, the Croat flag, and
>Croats
>civilized
Would be posted all the time.

Of course they can't be stopped now when chimp out occurred.

Now even people that didn't give a fuck are polarized and will vote to leave Spain

If Spain leaders were any smarter they would have accepted referendum and planted some pedo fake evidences on Catalan leaders in secrecy

I saw it on Sup Forums so it must be true.

Good point. I guess we'll just have to see how this little spectacle turns out as they say.

Some footage on the Dutch web.

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I am overwhelmed

It's just a pink cookie warning with an angry rant on it.

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lol its fucking third world

If only they did that to all the Africans running across their border.

Instead to native Spaniards lol.

>this post
>this flag

Figures.

If you cannot see both governments are using the Catalonia thing as a diversion, then you're pretty blind.
Exploit people's emotions to keep them from thinking about more important matters.

Not that hard to figure out, Ahmed. Spain is not a federation, it is unitary.

Catalonia, unlike Quebec or a state, does not have any legal right to vote for independence.

Am I getting this right?

>get warned over and over again not to have your illegal referendum
>have it anyway
>goverment sends in police to shut it down
>resist goverment police and get in the way of them shutting down your illegal referendum
>get shot with rubber bullets and hit with police clubs
>post cherry picked photos of injured independence protestors on social media

As much as your Federal Reserve and your Military -Industrial Complex would like it, I'm afraid that's not happening.

>DEEEEEEEESPAAAAAAAAAACIIIIIIIIIITOOOOOOOO

Holy fuck

Yes