>The sad truth, however, is that Iron Fist is the weakest of Marvel’s Netflix series to date. As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways. But, over the course of its first six episodes, it also manages to fall short on basic levels like storytelling. Its creative laziness bankrupts the entire show. Marvel’s new series is a disappointing case study in studios needing to try harder to tell difficult stories well.
The problem is that Iron Fist is virtually all talk — most of it painfully dull — and the fighting is both brief and unconvincing. It’s easily the worst of the Netflix Marvel shows — where the others tend to start off well and then run into massive pacing problems around episode 8 or 9, Iron Fist begins as if it’s already at that sag point — and an unfortunate illustration of the perils of miscasting.
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways.
I'm sure the show is awful but this review is gay and stupid
Jose Butler
>THEY DIDN'T CAST AN ASIAN >FUCKING RACISTS >LUKE CAGE IS MY GIRLFRIEND'S FAVORITE SHOW!
Going to watch it just to spite them.
Luke Ramirez
what a goddamn shame
was actually looking forward to this when i first heard they were gonna do an IF spin off
hope punisher doesn't turn out like this
Dylan Rodriguez
>it also manages to fall short on basic levels like storytelling. Its creative laziness bankrupts the entire show. Marvel’s new series is a disappointing case study in studios needing to try harder to tell difficult stories well.
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Alexander Perez
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways
kek
I love this new world we live in. I hope it continues getting worse until every nu-male beta faggot feels the weight of the monster they created
Eli Roberts
>polygon >theverge
Charles Bell
Iron Fist is a shit character to begin with
I bet The Punisher show will get glowing reviews
Alexander Gonzalez
Shouldn't have wasted Scott Adkins in Dr. Strange
Alexander Evans
yea but the "diversity and appropriation" part calls into question his critiquing abilities and general intelligence, why should anyone trust that reviewer after spewing some shit about diversity and appropriation?
>Iron Fist arrives in a deep hole amid concerns about its curly-haired, blonde protagonist appropriating Asian culture, but the bigger problem ends up being that he's barely even appropriating. There's no specificity to Danny's experience other than the most generic of identity crises -- like the world needed another billionaire vigilante — and Jones is far too placid a leading man to give any sense of Danny's internal torment. He's not placid in a Zen way, just tepid like room temperature. Rather than being a man who found enlightenment through tragedy and disassociation from his upbringing, Danny comes across like a spoiled frat boy who took a Comparative Religion class and spends a few months picking up coeds by telling them he's totally into meditation and tai chi now.
Ryan Clark
>caring what fucking polygon or fucking verge think
Just because you have a gay fucking company war attitude doesn't mean they're right. Fuck you. I don't watch this crap, but trusting what they say is stupid.
Wyatt Morales
>polygon Aaaand stopped reading.
Ethan Watson
They never should've cast a guy who looks as boring and unremarkable as Sam Worthington or Jai Courtney.
This is how Fist is supposed to look. Lively and cool instead of some hipster douchebag with John C. Reilly Neanderthal brows.
i'm sure this will suck but the reviewer probably like luke cage for the diversity despite it sucking too
Adam Roberts
Apply yourself.
Camden Walker
>Daredevil season 2 was shit >Jessica Jones was straight up visual cancer >Luke Cage was shit
Shocker
Brandon Campbell
They should have done Iron Fist & Luke Cage in a single season, intercutting the stories. Would have made both a LOT more interesting.
Who needs or wants a whole season with either of them solo?
Caleb Carter
Sounds like the marvel equivalent of Supergirl; all talking, punches once, run credits.
Brayden Jackson
no u
Brody Morgan
Well shit i was actually looking forward to this one. IF and punisher are the only heros i actually give a shit about in the tvverse. Im sure they are just whining but i dont have high hopes for it.
Brayden Campbell
That grandma is melting.
Hudson Richardson
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways.
seems like a legit review
Asher Cooper
This
In fact I would likely think this serie is actually good after their review, seeing how they lauded all other Marvel series which all suck. The true Marvel Kino is legion though
Evan Anderson
Why? The person already disqualified itself from having an opinion worth hearing about.
Caleb Miller
Fuck it. Go nuclear. Post Squirrel Girl.
Gavin Diaz
Daily reminder that Jones had a twitter meltdown over his role as mighty whitey
Leo Martin
are these the same people who loved snooze cage ?
Oliver Rogers
Maybe it is bad. After all it's like a chore they have to do before the Defenders series. Like Luke Cage.
Gavin Walker
Yeah, even though it is shit people will still watch it because its connected to a universe that has better characters...the same way people still watch Arrow
Levi Myers
This is by far the gayest run of iron fist in a line of shit comics for a gay character. Im sure youll enjoy the show faggot.
Owen Nelson
So far all im seeing is >IT HAS A RACE ISSUE >THIS IS PROBLEMATIC im not seeing anything on bad writing, plot, characters, acting, anything that would ACTUALLY matter. All im seeing is simply them bitching that its a white guy.
Zachary Torres
>That strawmen Nobody complains when Asians make westerns with only Asians in them, fuck, I don't remember a complaint on a Korean character in Magnificent 7
Chase Jenkins
Arrow is good this season.
Landon Bennett
Basically why I can't take GitS scarjew defenders seriously.
Gabriel Perry
Guys, I hear they're going to cancel martial arts in the olympics, it's full of white people and that's wrong and racist.
Leo Morales
>MUH WHITEBOY VICTIM COMPLEX Stop
Joseph Gray
>white people suck so I'm making the comic black and white to reinforce how bland they are
Is it too much to ask for some effort put forth in this kind of propaganda?
Luke Wright
I'm no Sup Forumstard but even I agree with this.
Oddly enough, people who constantly obsess over things like diversity and representation are themselves quite racist because they put race before anything else
Dominic Phillips
Since it was a remake of a ripoff of Seven Samurai, why would anyone complain?
Justin Bailey
So white people aren't allowed to know martial arts?
Lincoln Cox
Let me guess, this people don't read and watch manga and anime...
Dominic Martinez
Who are you quoting?
Adrian Ramirez
Where is he victimizing white people, tumblr? Where?
Nicholas Fisher
That's where the entire review became invalidated.
Adam Stewart
So like white nationalists.
Jacob Phillips
Well it's already happening I don't know where these fuckwitts lives but just look at any classical music competition and you'll see that chinks win them all. Either them or Korean.
I don't see anybody crying for appropriation we give them prize
Nolan Evans
The only point i can get out if this comic is that the entire argument is retarded.
Thomas Thomas
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways. You see OP, those are the same guys that praise Luke Cage and Jessica Jones despite both being guilty of the same problems this series has. It's not company wars, this is a problem among critics.
Thomas Perez
im serious. thats all its fucking talking about in the reviews. This isnt me trying to shitpost into a Sup Forums conversation, its LEGIT their main complaints
>This is a show where a white male character explains how to punch to an Asian-American, female head of her own dojo, in her own dojo — wait, let me be painfully specific. A white male character explains his martial art — which was made up by white men in the 1970s as a nonspecifically Asian but definitionally more powerful technique than those invented by actual Asian cultures — to an Asian-American, female expert in actual martial arts developed by actual Asian cultures.
>And let me be clear: Iron Fist’s problems with its portrayal of Asian cultures and Asian-Americans are embedded throughout every episode.
>When Jones was first announced as the titular character last March, fans made their displeasure over the fact that Danny Rand would be played by a white actor known. In the comics, Danny Rand is white, but before Marvel and Netflix made the casting announcement, many were hopeful the role would be given to an Asian actor. Fans argued that Rand’s story of isolation and being an outsider is a frustration many Asian-American people deal with.
Caleb Gonzalez
Meanwhile in Asian cinema
Alexander Hill
Because the writer of that webcomic seems to think that if the reverse of Iron Fist happened (Asian guy behaving like a Western guy adopting its traditions etc) white people would complain, well, the reverse happened and I don't remember anyone really caring.
Mason Taylor
Yes, liberals are ironically just as racist as white supremacists, only in a different way
Matthew Hall
>ONLY ASIANS CAN APPRECIATE ASIAN CULTURE >NOBODY ELSE IS ALLOWED IN >this is known as "diversity"
Benjamin Johnson
>Jessica Jones was straight up visual cancer It's by far the best of them though
Cameron Scott
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways. OH LOOK; IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
Dominic Flores
The author's intent. Thanks for playing.
Charles Nguyen
I liked that movie
Jaxon Diaz
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways. But, over the course of its first six episodes, it also manages to fall short on basic levels like storytellin
Remember folks; Diversity casting is most important when deciding if a show is good or not. Stupid shit like storytelling and coherence comes second.
Blake Gonzalez
>all these Fantasy anime, manga and games based on the western middle ages....
How many white actors did the attack on titan movie have?
Christopher Sanchez
>im not seeing anything on bad writing, plot, characters, acting, anything that would ACTUALLY matter.
I did. It's all there in the reviews proper. If anything, OP tried to cherrypick the few sentences that brought up diversity. The vast majority is about how bland and poorly executed the series is (to the surprise of no one).
Or is Iron Fist really the hill you're choosing to die on?
Cooper Wilson
JJ is absolute shit. I don't see how anyone could enjoy it, even on some ironic level
Henry Nguyen
Why are you only focusing on race?
Oddly enough, people who constantly obsess over things like white representation in anime adaptations are themselves quite racist because they put race before anything else
Sebastian Martinez
Don't waste your time arguing agains't tumblr leaklet invading Sup Forums
Daily reminder to always ignore any post that use argument like > Sup Forums poster > white boi They are from reddit and do not judge film with the same qualities as we do
Hunter Gonzalez
I disagree DD1>JJ>DD2>LC
Dominic Morales
Then you're obviously very autistic user. Or are 6 years old.
Brayden Howard
>Stupid shit like storytelling and coherence comes second.
Are you retarded? Those actually come first you fucking idiot.
Isaiah Wright
I actually posted one sentence abou t"diversity" but since this is Sup Forums lite it will be the only one Sup Forumstards will focus on and will ignore everything else about the (lack of) bad action and pacing issues and well as the weak villains and boring side characters
Ian Price
Not since 7 years ago, user.
Landon Butler
>marvel shill trying to defend another shit marvel series
Nice try reddit.
Caleb Miller
Don't use my material you weak minded fucktard.
The truth remains, people who say things like "diversity" and "representation" are virtue signaling racists. Their behavior is no different from the folks that made black exploitation movies in the 70's.
These are the same kind of people who want to have a black person as a friend so they can show everyone how progressive they are. At the end of the day their behavior is disgusting racist exploitation.
Talent should come before all else andsntine who says otherwise is wrong
Noah Cox
>7 years ago >2010
Nothing special happened that year. I should know, I was there.
Jacob Morales
Hasn't it benn proven multiple times that the only people who care about "whitewashing" are white people? The Japanese give zero shits about Spaghetti Johansson starring in GitS, the Chinese invite Matt Damon to star in their blockbuster. It doesn't look very social-justice-ey to >be white >get offended for some minority >go out on a crusade to save this minority from this "oppression" >even though they never asked for this
Jace Peterson
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways.
I don't care about this review. Give me a take from someone who isn't looking to be offended, DCuck.
Jackson Williams
how DARE this fictional character have a martial art that is FICTIONALLY better than reality, SUPERNATURAL, EVEN, ONE MIGHT SAY. and how dare he showcase it in an awkward, quirky way.
AND HOW DARE THEY CAST A WHITE CHARACTER AS WHITE
Ayden Edwards
Acceptable
Jose Peterson
>hating blaxploitation movies
Why? Is it because they have black people in them?
Why are you so focused on race you weak minded fucktard?
Gavin Scott
>Iron Shit is shit Not surprised. Also the guy playing Danny is terrible and completely miscast.
John Bailey
Not an argument. JJ is a terrible show. Horrible, unsympathetic main character played by an actress devoid of talent. One episodes worth of material stretched out over an entire season. There's literally nothing good about it.
Michael Anderson
Jesus Christ, user.
Oliver Torres
are there any reviews mocking the protagonist for not working out?i hope there are
Nathaniel Sanders
>JJ better than DDs1
'no'
>JJ not absolute trash
'no'
Elijah Cook
I thought black exploitation movies were made to just get money from black people by appealing to them - it wasn't about diversity.
Jackson Watson
>defending z-list capeshit
Where did your life go so horribly wrong user?
Lucas Bennett
>>You cancerous asshole.
Josiah King
Can't even come up with your own material because you're unintelligent and weak minded
Black exploitation films used black people in a sleazy, shallow and exploitive way
That's exactly what virtue signaling "progressives" do now but they're too far up their own asses to realize that they are nothing but moronic racists
Jack Cooper
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways
WE
WUZ
NINJAS
AND
SHEITTTTTTTT
Eli Powell
Yes my child?
Zachary Thompson
>finally Marvel has a poorly reviewed show (not even a movie) >DUDE MARVEL IS DEAD LMAO WE CALLED IT BROS
Matthew Foster
>As far as diversity, representation, and appropriation go, the series fails in a number of ways OY VEY
Eli Torres
But all netflix marvel shows are shit, what did you expect?
Nicholas Hill
>Black exploitation films used black people in a sleazy, shallow and exploitive way
Oh shit, someone call the gender neutrality police. Blacks are being depicted as... *gasp*... SLEAZY!
Benjamin Taylor
bashing stupid SJW ideology isn't "defending" what they are bashing
Ethan Clark
>implying attacking some idiocy is defending something else cool quantum superpositions bro
Michael Roberts
This
Marvel probably forgot to groom the critics before they watched it.
Lincoln Thomas
Let's count the Marvel crap:
X-Men 3 Wolverine Origins The Wolverine Fantastic Four X-Men First Class X-Men Apocalypse Iron Man 3 Daredevil Season 2 Luke Cage Jessica Jones
And now Iron Fist
Ayden Gutierrez
Hey! Boss Nigger was classy.
Zachary Price
>ONLY ASIANS CAN APPRECIATE ASIAN CULTURE
Why would you appreciate asian """"""""""culture"""""""" faggot?
