Yes, College can be free. You shouldn't have to be 60,000$ in debt

This is something that always pisses me off, that is when American conservatives talk about how College could not function if it were free as if nobody has done it before.

>Free College here in Slovenia
>People here are considerably better educate than the average American
>Although we don't have a Harvard or a Yale our universities all score in either top 1% or top 3% of all universities on the planet

The system CAN work.

However you can't have Hip Hop classes, African American "Culture" classes, Gender studies or Belly dancing studies, essentially anything that the students would be likely to enroll in (and pay for) while it serving no practical reason and have it come from the tax payer's money.

American universities don't work as a place of education anymore, but a glorified daycare for millenial young adults.

US's goals SHOULD be to modernize their University system and yes MAKE IT FREE, however that means transforming College from an on campus "Experience" and a daycare to what it was meant to be, a place to get a degrees and higher education for more specialized jobs.

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I blame the banks.

(((Banks)))

>our universities all score in either top 1% or top 3% of all universities on the planet

The university of Zimbabwe doesn't count.

Please, you cut out all the meme courses the student loan debts will evaporate without further assistance.

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Just had to share this. Got really on my nerves listening to some of you American fucks bicker over this.

>A small country no one cares about lecturing the most important country in the world

EVERY TIME

>Although we don't have a Harvard or a Yale our universities all score in either top 1% or top 3% of all universities on the planet
No they don't, slavshit. Also, there's no such thing as free education/healthcare/whatever. Sure, over here education is actually pretty cheap, but that's mostly because tax payers are paying for it indirectly.

This is now an american hate thread!

You are retarded. The reason education in America is shit in the first place is because of the government getting involved with it.

Also
> Y-You should pay for other people's education

Get fucked.

>half black
>stem degree
>college is free from financial aid and scholarships

College isn't free for people getting shit degrees/shit grades.

I haven't paid for school for the last 3 years going to UC San Diego as a math major.

(((FREE))) EDUCATION GOYS

DON'T MIND THE 15% INCREASE IN YOUR TAXES

WHY WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO THINK FOR YOURSELF AND FIND A LINE OF WORK FIRST BEFORE THROWING ALL YOUR MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT

(((free)))

I wouldn't send my dog to a Slovenian elementary school.

There is one critical flaw with your argument...

It's not free, retard.

What I'm arguing is that College can be cheap and inexpensive both for the student and the tax payer if universities do what they are supposed to do.

Most American universities don't.

They privide useless Gender studies degrees and others just as useless

>free

Nice b8 m8, this is how you r8
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>half-black
You explained your free education right there, friend. Knew a guy in high school that had a 4.2 gpa or something ridiculous along with being extremely active in extra-curriculars, and he didn't even get a full ride. I remember we were getting our report cards back one day and he says to me, "If I was a black woman, I could get a full ride to any college I want for any amount of education I want."

You shouldn't bash other Universities just because they aren't in the top 1% or in a big country. I've seen exchange students from all over the word come to my University and they don't know shit. Ranks don't matter. Professors and what you do for yourself matter.

Bitch I pay 55k a year to go to UMich Law school.

And I still drive an audi r8.

Get on my level you barista losers.

Slovenija universities are MUCH better than the Western European median for universities, meaning France UK Germany Switzerland, etc.

We outrank most of those countries, it's a statistical fact

I agree with you man, even if they didn't let college be free they should probably fucking stop doing those other bullshit classes anyway

>College can be free.

Explain what you mean by "free". Free, as in the college has no expenses? The land the college occupies is rent and tax free? The administrative staff, the professors and custodians work for free? The utility companies do not charge the college a fee for using electric or water? The publishing houses do not bill the college for text books? The supply warehouses do not charge the college for paper, pencils, desks, chairs, chalkboards, erasers, printers, or computers?

You realize how absurd it is to think college is "free". There is no such thing as "free" college or free healthcare. Socialism is not free. Someone pays those bills, and the cost falls on the middle class in the form of massive taxation. And when the govt taxes your income in all kinds of ways, how are you free to spend money you worked to earn? The govt removes that freedom by confiscating your wealth and deciding how to spend your money. Remove the blinders, my friend. You fell for the oldest scam. Your college is not free, and neither are you.

It's not cheap anywhere. It requires and incredible amount of capital, time, and trained labour to teach. Stop deluding yourself.

You want cheap education? Remove all government involvement, make schools compete in the marketplace. There is no other solution.

>a leaf

thank ur dad u piece of shit

It's only a 15% increase if College remains the way it is in the US.

It can be cheap and effective and unnoticable to the tax payer if done correctly.

Is this really hard to drive this though your thick American skull?

I'm not familiar with the Western college system but I believe college(by this anything more than 3 years post plus 2 is a gigantic waste of time)

The vast majority of the Indians that Western companies seem to be picking up here these days are from places where the course is basically 3 years long and called a diploma.

For all this talk of racial superiority, humans in general will soon be obsolete except fro the most technically sophisticated jobs. I don't expect Indians to do as well as they have been doing in the recent past but college isn't the answer either.

Fuck college. Most of these places are designed for gasbags.

Bullshit.

I've seen case studies on private universities and clinics.

Prices go up, quality goes down.

Yes a few private colleges, clinics and the like are top rate, but on average they do worse than stare owned.

I'm Not arguing for socialism here, I'm arguing for a healthy Mix of Capitalism and socialism.

Both are toxic in their own way.

>The system CAN work.

No it can't.

This is because college is not free at all. It just seems that way because you lobby lawmakers to create taxes to fund your desires. Naturally, this ends up with you reaching into my wallet and taking my money at gunpoint so that you can receive a state-subsidized "education" in GENDER STUDIES.

I don't even get a return on my "investment" because those who exit these indoctrination centers are UNEMPLOYABLE not only due to the fact that they are mentally still children, but because their degrees are WORTHLESS.

You are fundamentally opposed to liberty because you want to hand even more power to the state to seize the property of dissenters at gunpoint to support your political agenda.

It isn't free. It never was. All you have done is send an armed goonie-squad to quell liberty and dissent by forcing people to fund the indoctrination of their own children as a means of destroying the very society they also happen to fucking live in.

Here in brazil, free state funded colleges are regarded widely better than the private fundations.

That is because it is one of the few thing that the government takes care and actually "works" (there are still blatant flaws, but the overall experience works). But there arent enough places for everyone, so in the end, only the smartest get through.

Actually, it think it works in despite of the government cause only the smart get through.

But them again it is funded by taxes, so it is not FREE

It's just the system that's fucked, I'll won't go into detail but this didn't used to be.

The government throws more and more money at it but the tuitions keep costing more and more so the problem isn't that the government isn't paying.

>make college free
>everyone gets a degree
>eventually, the value of a degree goes down to ~0
>basically a glorified HS diploma
>need a degree to work at McDonald's
>everyone is doing what they would have done anyway
>but government is in 5x more debt

Are you kidding me? Not educating your people sounds like a perfect plan :^)

Why do you want more American neolib leftists?

>Not educating

You got that right, Sweden. "Educate" is not synonymous with "indoctrinate."

"""""free"""""

oh yeah im fucking happy to pay over 40% taxes for women studies.

1) 6-10 years in university
2) go and abuse welfare or take another shitty studies
3) most of "educated" (humanists), are marxists

Fuck that. If i could chose which university gets my tax money, then yes maybe but not like this...

oh shit son i go to UCSD too

currently in portugal clearly, were you at the Milo event?

Explain to me how Healthy care can be cheap and effective in most European countries instead of having to shell out a week's pay to visit a doctor like in the US.

Yes Brother College nor Healthy Care or anything Else can be free, BUT it sure as fuck doesn't have to cost as much as in the US.

All in takes is it being more efficiently run and the Money being allocated better.

Here is your mentality

>I am American, I have a very limited American centric worldview and fail to admit it, I cannot comprehend that any system other than my own could work as well OR better

>Sweden
>Finnish flag
American education everybody!

While people in the USA are learning about gender studies and african studies all the chinese are learning about business, computer science and engineering.

The writing is on the wall, you can already see what will happen to the US.

Our fucking high schools are free and look how seriously our kids take that particular segment of their education.

You can't spend your way out of a bad work ethic.

also whats your GPA?

Except this hasn't happened in any other country where college is free.

Are you retarded or what.

This is what I'm saying Education can be free as long as the courses are only the practical ones and the standard of Education is set VERY HIGH.

I'm saying that the American College which definitely has low standards cannot exist while being free.

Most students in Finland are in business, science or technology which are inherently useful to the society so quit whining. And by science I mean real things like med, physics, math etc.

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Doesnt look so impressive m8

I think he just tried to insult me.

>. Naturally, this ends up with you reaching into my wallet and taking my money at gunpoint so that you can receive a state-subsidized "education" in GENDER STUDIES.
>I don't even get a return on my "investment" because those who exit these indoctrination centers are UNEMPLOYABLE not only due to the fact that they are mentally still children, but because their degrees are WORTHLESS.

Are you really this simple minded that you can't comprehend a College system that doesn't have gender studies?

IF done correctly tax paid college IS a Good investment for the tax payer.

What I'm saying is that most courses that dont contribute to the tax payer in the long run or arent of a HIGH cultural relevance should be eliminated

>>Slovenia
>>country so small it has like 5 uni students per year
>>uni can be free everywhere

Please Boštjan.

College in the US is mostly just a daycare where normies get drunk, party and have sex with one another. They don't learn anything and once they graduate they're corralled into their cubicles to sit for the next 35 years of their lives.

>Slovenia's education ranks as the 12th best in the world and 4th best in the European Union, being significantly higher than the OECD average, according to the Programme for International Student Assessment.

Not if you actually put in effort, work hard, write theses or do research, etc.

Which isn't gonna happen if it's run by the government.

There's a reason why private universities are so expensive, because they offer such a higher level of education than gov't run schools do

do americans commonly believe that any average citizen who isnt a retard in countries like finland and sweden can just decide they want to go to med school and start studying there?

the competition to get accepted into studying law or med is harsh as fuck. every year thousands of people get rejected who'd deserve to attend the unis and get the degrees. you need to study things like biology and chemistry for years, 8 hours a day to get into med school.

i got accepted into law uni this summer and made huge sacrifices like no social life for 4 months because i had to cram through 500 pages of articles that the exam was about and also paid 1000 euros for prepping courses, there even exists 7000eur courses that give your money back if you dont get accepted so its not that fair here

Slovenian higher education has still its problems, namely that every idiot can attend university and basically stay here forever.I see a lot of people my generation finishing their degree now and I am 30 years old. On the plus side, the STEM fields are pretty good. I got my degree in physics and I'm doing my phd in Germany. The quality of the education I got in Slovenia is pretty comparable to the German one.

Another problem is that we have to many private diploma mills that get state subsidies. A friend of mine attended the private Law university in Nova Gorica and now she works as a beautician because her degree is useless.

To Play the devils advocate I think it would happen in the US if they made College free without significant reform.


>College can be free
>The way American College Works currently, it cant be free

False comparison. You cannot compare Slovenia economics to the United States economics. There are four cities in the U.S. with a population higher than Slovenia. There are 47 states in the U.S. with a GDP higher than Slovenia. The U.S. GDP is higher than all European countries COMBINED. The average annual salary in Slovenia is $17,000. The average annual salary in the U.S. is $52,000. What works in Europe does not necessarily work in an economy as vast and complex as the United States economy. Things cost more in the U.S. because people earn more and because there is a greater potential for earning in the U.S. than in Slovenia.

And allowing the economy to become centrally managed by a handful of bureaucrats will do nothing but make costs and taxes rise exponentially. Obama socialized healthcare. Healthcare costs have skyrocketed in the last three years.

It isn't perfect and I dread that it might get worse, But it Works, and if reformed cutting out even more bullshit degrees it could work even better.

That might be all nice and comfy for ya but ur country simply doesnt outrank western university. But its nice to see ya all doing good there

Just because it's larger doesnt change this, it only means such a system is harder to operate.

It can be done and done well. Don't be defeatists about it.

The reason why these things dont work in the US isn't because you are huge, But because of the political undermining of Republicans and Democrats.

Reform your democracy and after that tackle health Care and free college

>considerably better educate
Lol

This would only be true if there were only 3 western European countries in the European Union.

Otherwise your statement cant hold true.

Honestly, most of applied science students quits after ½-2 years from the start, so i have every right to whine. Most of applied sciences are rubbish anyway, you could close most of those schools. And you're prolly just other humanist rat so fuck you.

>Yes, College can be free

it's never free.
the only decision to be made is whether you want people to pay for their own education or taxpayers being forced to pay for everybody else's education.

What is a typo

Dont give Me that shit when like 40% of your High schoolers cant spell the word necessary

Free college for STEM majors and only those with 3.0 GPAs and up. Only available to US Born Citizens.

Eliminate the waste of Socialism in colleges especially the sociology and humanity programs including such gems as minority studies and African gay culture and the sinking college ship will be righted.

If that doesn't work, remove the for-profit model of operation of these institutions and disable their ability to profit off their students through athletic programs including the elimination of athletic scholarships.

>Nitpicking when you know exactly what I meant.

TLDR: I'm saying a good government paid College programme can be a positive net investment for the tax payer

"Educate(d)"
Espouses Socialism
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The problem is that you can't have a large amount of mud population and free stuff at the same time.

Free university wouldn't work in USA

>list of, I don't know, car speeds
>1st place car goes 160
>2nd place goes 90
>2nd place is JUST AS GOOD AS FIRST I SWARE ON ME MUM

This is what's wrong with people like you.

(((conservatives)))

Everyone here in the US is duped into thinking that their lib vs con system means anything.

If burgers weren't dumb they could do what we do. Gubment gives their citizens low to no interest loans for university and let them pay it back when they can afford it. We call it HEX debt. It works great.

Put it all online. Reduce the costs drastically. You don't need physical structures for many things. Establish labs for the hands on aspects.

>free
You know, I'm beginning to think that Eurocucks don't use this word properly because they have never experienced freedom to begin with.
I'm starting to believe that you have to have experienced freedom to k ow hoe to properly use the term and that's sad

So once everyone can go to Uni for free

Who's going to clean your toilets?
Who's going to sweep the streets?
Who's going to serve your McDiabeetus?

Do you realize that University really isn't for everyone? It's not just about a price tag.

you're operating on a bunch of assumptions that simply do not match reality.
in particular, your argument relies on assuming that
>universities only do useful research
>universities only teach useful courses
>students only enroll in useful classes
>students only get useful degrees

but none of that is even close to reality. universities regularly waste gorillions of dollars on bullshit like gender studies departments. universities offer a ton of utterly useless garbage courses. students fuck around in braindead retardation classes and waste their time and effort on useless degrees all the time.

not to mention the fact that 'free' college just means that you get a bunch of foreign leeches who come to your country, take the 'free' education that you offer, and then fuck off after.

tl;dr tons of money wasted, and why? because you feel entitled to forcing other people to use their money to give you a headstart in life.

Anime source, please.

>Gubment gives their citizens low to no interest loans for university and let them pay it back when they can afford it.
that's pretty much what america is already doing. results in tons of dumb millennials whining about MUH EVIL STUDENT DEBT

>tfw studying in Ljubljana coming year

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I don't mind free education as long as nigger and women studies SJW worthless courses are banned.

Those jobs are inevitably going to be automated, though.

America has a liberal arts tradition- college is not a means to an end or employment, it is a place to become a more broadly educated citizen. Most of America's failings in education are not at the college level, but at the primary and secondary educational level.

As to college being "free," that would necessitate larger class sizes, lower teacher salaries, serious cuts in housing, extracurricular activities, and in educational quality. Many of my classes had 30 students (I went to a private school) or less, allowing me full access to my professors to master the skills at hand, get involved in research, get letters of recommendation, etc. Can't do that under some BS socialist system, where a professor has 1,000+ students vying for their attention. I mastered the material and got into medical school- college was awesome and worth every penny.

Canadian universities are a way better value

Slovenia, you're really trying hard to be the new #1 shit poster on this board.

Most of these problems can be eliminated by High enrollment tests.

Then shut the fuck up and stop sliding CFGs with this dumb shit

Reeeeeeeaaaally makes you think

Assuming everyone had a degree; who does blue color work? America isn't Europe. America's industry revolves mostly around distribution/trucking. Trucking requires no education other than a CLD A. Why give everyone a degree? Create even more obsolete desk job positions? I guess I don't quite understand the ideals involved. Realistically not needed. Far too easily accesible as it is.

Why do people keep repeating this dumb argument? Not everyone can enroll into state-funded universities. There's a limit to how many are accepted.

at this point you're just being dishonest
>entire departments dedicated to doing nothing but leftist ideology shilling
>lol enrollment tests will fix it :^)

University student here, if you are an American student and you are trapped under $60,000 in debt you are retarded. Going to a school you can't afford is like buying a mansion you can't afford. You go into debt. What did you think would happen? Community colleges and vocational schools can be paid for on minimum wage. I have no debt because I earned scholarships and went to a school that was appropriate for my financial level.

>Explain what you mean by "free".
My god. Only Sup Forums autists get so triggered over this word. Everyone (but literally everyone) that says free college, or free healthcare, means tax payer funded.

Ethnic Slovene here, my cousin is a lazy prick and still doesn't have a degree about 12 years after starting. Furthermore there's a doctor who's spent 10 or so years on their degree, I wouldn't trust a doctor who needed to keep repeating. System sounds very open to abuse

>College should be free
And also houses, food, open transport, cars...
Delusional Communist

Technical certifications and job skills should be free. STEM should be scholarship only, and finance, and racial/gender courses should be double tuition.

Because it's not free. People pay for it, you can't give away things for free.

How about, instead of handing out "higher education" to everyone at colossal expense, we commit to improving K-12 education instead? Shouldn't 13 YEARS of schooling be enough to qualify someone for normal work?

I agree absolutely that free public education should be enough to give someone a fighting chance at a decent working life... but I don't think extending the minimum sentence to 17 years is the way to get there.

And even then, it's not like making the entire population more educated is going to magically create more good jobs. A shortage of decent-paying work is the reason the education bubble exists in the first place.

>But them again it is funded by taxes, so it is not FREE
Only Sup Forums autists get triggered by this, ffs.

>memes

>>everyone gets a degree

So retards can get deggres in America? That explains alot

Jesus man, just put the mouse on top of the flag.
>inb4 i was only pretending!!!!!

>oh yeah im fucking happy to pay over 40% taxes for women studies.
Finland has women studies?

>3) most of "educated" (humanists), are marxists

You mean like 10 %?

> my tax money
You mean your parents tax money, you underage