I think I'll try this again since you guys didn't get it the first time, which is okay...

I think I'll try this again since you guys didn't get it the first time, which is okay. You were all probably brainwashed by anti-smoking rhetoric to realize the error of banning smoke indoors. People should be allowed to smoke if they want to.

>B-but what about secondhand smoke?

It's not a health risk so anyone who bans it for that reason is full of shit. That's really the only justification most people usually give for banning it anyway. The real reason is "it stinks and I don't like it" which shouldn't be a bannable offense. That's SJW tier thinking.

Other urls found in this thread:

smokingaloud.com/osteen.html
smokescreens.org/chemistry.htm
nea.gov.sg/public-health/smoking
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1219995/Believe-lungs-weeks-old--taste-buds-just-days-So-old-rest-body.html
longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/
sott.net/article/270514-Nicotine-vs-nicotinic-acid-niacin
reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3cy4rv/eli5_why_is_indonesias_lung_cancer_rate_so_low/
data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN/countries/ID-4E-XN?display=graph)
cancer.org/cancer/lungcancer-non-smallcell/detailedguide/non-small-cell-lung-cancer-key-statistics)
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17163954
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

>nobody responds

Too afraid to be proven wrong, I see.

> anti-smoking rhetoric

You mean science?

Lobster

Nicotine is a vitamin. Science is a religion. Smoke in a garage. You're fine. Goes through filter. Goes through lungs. No problem. Passive smoke same shit. Turn on a car? Oops you ded. Everything is bad for you. How about you crack another beer

>>muh inconvenience
If it were some pajeet cooking some shitty curry dish stinking up your clothes you wouldn't say shit about sjw defense chimneyfag

bitch on Sup Forums all you want to people who don't care, you aren't changing any laws

Smoking bans are pretty gay. I was born far too late to enjoy it in public.

m8, cmon, frequent smokers have been getting lung cancer for decades.
I mean, I disagree with the legal ban on smoking in indoor areas (though I think the business should have the right to ban it if they desire, such as small bars that don't want the entire bar to smell like smoke), but don't act as if smoking isn't a poison.

Smoking is degenerate, you can defend your shitty habit all you want OP. It's still going to be a drain on your money and health no matter how much mental gymnastics you do.

Fucking degenerate drug addict.

No I mean junkscience.

Richard Doll ad the surgeon general completely misinterpreted findings regarding smoking to try and prove a "vaccines cause autism" style link in order to leave the tobacco industry open for lawsuits and money plundering. They were successful. These "studies" we're either completely false statistics or bad surveys that meant nothing.

Then in the 90's they pushed secondhand smoke as a thing, which ends up being successful as well until it was called out by a judge in North Carolina.

smokingaloud.com/osteen.html

They won on an appeal though, because they're corrupt as shit.

It's simple, yet completely ignored by the people since less people smoke in this country now. As a result people don't want to put up with smells that they find offensive, so they ban it, kind of like how people ban free speech or guns.

>People should be allowed to smoke if they want to.
In their own homes, sure, not my problem if you want it to reek and have holes in your furniture.

It absolutely is a public health risk though, enjoy your chronic carbon monixide poisoning and addiction to the most boring drug possible.

Here's some science. You're actually mistaken.

smokescreens.org/chemistry.htm

lol OP come to where I am where you cannot smoke almost anywhere outside now.

nea.gov.sg/public-health/smoking

why? because fuck you and your lung cancer, and all you smokers who take unnecessary breaks at work because of your personal addiction. I shouldn't work more just because your fucked up brain is calling for nicotine.

I just quit smoking, I've been off for 80 hours now and I'm already feeling a bit more active, ofc i wouldn't mind people smoking in the same room as I but isn't it a bit stupid to go against all the studies that says tobacco harms your health?

I mean if i had the choice to smoke 100% organic tobacco with no added shit i would probably smoke but I'm not falling for the mega corps like Phillip morris to take my money and my health

So greatest people of all time were degenerates?

>muh lung cancer

This whole idea needs to be reconsidered after recent findings into the age of cells in our body. We don't have the same lung cells we were born with, they regenerate every 3 weeks.

dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1219995/Believe-lungs-weeks-old--taste-buds-just-days-So-old-rest-body.html

How could smoking possibly do harm to the lungs if the lungs regenerate that often?

What we should be concerned about is fluoride in the water. Science shows that stuff stays in the stomach acid (which does not regenerate, its not cells!) over time and massively changes the ways our bodies digest food.

TL;DR: Until MODERN science determines smoking is bad, we should unban it so as to not be unnecessarily infringing on peoples rights until we're absolutely certain its bad.

>nicotine is a vitamin.

No it's not. You're thinking of nicotinic acid, aka niacin.

>How could smoking possibly do harm to the lungs if the lungs regenerate that often?
Do you not understand how mutations work, or how the cell cycle works for that matter?
Do you not know what cancer is?

This is some insane levels of stupidity here.

They wouldn't be taking breaks if they could smoke and work indoors, pal.

It's not a major health risk. See here:

longecity.org/forum/topic/38868-smoking-is-good-for-you/

It's a long ass read, but worth it. Good points are made.

It's a drain because of government subsidies and taxes you moron

You've got your science wrong. Second hand smoke is an issue, and a society can ban something if it doesn't want the thing. Screw the over-liberatarianized "more freedom" crap. Seat belt laws are ok because no reasonable person would choose to avoid seat belts. Smoking is stupid and harmful to health, and limiting it is a perfectly reasonable stance.

>what is the cell cycle
>what is apoptosis
>what is basic biology

The exact same two substances

> Stupid dumbfuck points to FORUM post as science, and even the post notes that his has been debunked. The one 'scientific' graph has no reference and no confidence intervals.

You're an anti-vaxx level dumfuk.

Wait... you... you ARE anti-vaxx, aren't you!

As i said, the old guys were probably smoking good and clean tobacco, I've read that you can find the same substances in ciggarettes that you find in bombs, i mean, the industrial ciggs basically make money on keeping you hooked and buying 1 pack a day.

Tobacco in itself is probably healthy, aswell as cocaine plants which they use in south america, but it's all a matter of how you use it.
For exemple, a homemade hamburger is probably more healty than a hamburger you buy at McDonalds

When cells divide (or the lung regenerates in this example) the cell copies genetic data over, but because of outside forces like the sun this copy isn't always perfect. This causes mutations.

In the case of something like a lung, which regenerates far more often, these mutations would naturally occur much more often thus causing more cancer in lungs statistically than an organ that doesn't regenerate as often let's say a bone.

We simply haven't had enough time since the smoking ban to observe that there was no correlation between smoking and lung cancer.

Actually I'm not. Thanks for trying to discredit people based on things arbitrary to the actual argument though.

Canucks are so stupid. They're different, and only share a pyrimidine component, which is like saying water is like hydrogen peroxide, so why no drink both since they're so similar.

Don't breed

It stinks and shouldn't be allowed in places that food is eaten, because people want to eat a meal in a place that doesn't stink.

No you fucking retard

you're thinking of niggertine.

I totally agreed with you, but I sure have enjoyed a smoke free world. I never realized how sickening the smell of someone's cigarettes were until they were gone. Still, I think that every business should be allowed to make their own choice... and I would just not go into any place where smokers were. Freedom works.... but... now that we are socializing medicine we need for force a lot of health options. Bungee jumping should be illegal. I shouldn't have to pay taxes to subsidize risking sports. Gays should also be illegal. Their health care costs are ridiculous. I think abortions should be paid for but deliveries should not. The cheapest option should be good enough for everyone, besides, raising children is damned expensive and adds to the health care burden.

This secondhand smoke is total bullshit. Somehow the jews convinced people that the smoker who has the cigarettes under his nose gets less damage than the people around.

sott.net/article/270514-Nicotine-vs-nicotinic-acid-niacin

Not right, dude. The stuff you find "in bombs" is the natural product of combusting complex organic tissue (like leaves). Those chemicals are in any tobacco smoke.

You're making crap up. The literature out of eastern Asia (mostly Japan), the nordic countries with some mainland Europe, and plenty more in the US have already established causal relationships. No capable physician will tell you otherwise.

stop being a nigger

You realize that says that they're different substances, right?

It's truly suffering watching people who don't know basic biology/chemistry try to talk about this shit.

Phillip Morris please go.

Hope you're right haha, I'l do some research on the topic.
Anyhow, it won't change the fact that smoking is expensive as fuck if you smoke 1 pack a day for years like i did

A "piece of piss". One would never have been synthesised without the other. It's a powerful stimulant. The fertilisers are probably worse. I don't really care. They're little mini red bull joint strengthening mental acuity enhancers. Suffered a heart attack? You'll heal better as a smoker. Pregnant? The only thing to give you less preeclampsia

He's fucking right

>smoke and work
yeah you want all those smoke particles and ash to drop in your food, you want customer service to smoke in your face, you want cigarette butts everywhere as if they arent already.

go outside and take a look at the world, man

I should know what I'm talking about. I've worked in the industry for 30 years.

This demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of basic chemistry.

Native reservations. Also who cares. Also plants and birds love tobacco. Also cures exist or there are drugs that help lung cancer and all sorts of cures for lung cancer or otherwise are grown on tobacco. The world's best vegetable. Helps you stay skinny

Hay gaiz pure sodium and chloride is ok to ingest because sodium chloride is just salt.

"Why can't I eat loud foods and moan like an orgasming seal in a public place? I'm not hurting anyone. Fuckin SJW scum wanna take my freedom."

Retarded OP is retarded.

>took chemistry in highschool
>knows everything

Look at the name for B6. Is it as derivative to peroxide as nicotinic acid is to nicotine? Nope. Enjoy your laziness and alzeimers

>It actually doesn't smell like shit!
Smokers smell fucking awful, and I don't want to inhale second hand smoke, harmful or not.

Are you so much of a fucking autist that you can't go out without smoking? Oh wait, you can't just enjoy a night without smoking because it's ADDICTIVE

>appeal to authority

Sorry, it seemed like a reasonable connection given how stupid you are. Seriously, you thought that sad little forum post was meaningful, much less convincing?

So, are you a chemtrail believer? Aliens? Conspiracies? I'm just wondering what other dumfukery you're into.

Please read your own article, thing about what you're done, then jump off a bridge. Canuckistan strikes again.

Smoking makes repeat heart attack more likely and is also one of the top 3 MAJOR risk factors for preeclampsia and and eclampsia.

Your BO smells bad

Cry

I'd take a picture of my pharmacist license but I'm on vacation right now. Fuck off, you ignoramus.

Oops a robot took your job

OP, I respect your opinion and I think you should be able to smoke as much as you like, even in enclosed spaces, even with people near you. If the people are pussy enough to not bitch or leave, they deserve their fate.

I mainly agree with your right is because you will die sooner and all that tax money will be redistributed to benefits for the non-smoking faggots who tend to live longer.

The more non-smoking pansies you have, the less the medical system will be under stress. Smoke and die young. Save the planet kill yourself.

Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever, he should've gassed everyone.

That being said, OP, with all due respect, you are a gargantuan cock-mongler

Hirayama, T. (2000). Non-smoking wives of heavy smokes have a higher risk of lung cancer: a study from Japan. Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 78(7), 940-942.

Hecht, S. S. (2002). Cigarette smoking and lung cancer: chemical mechanisms and approaches to prevention. The lancet oncology, 3(8), 461-469.

Cornfield, J., Haenszel, W., Hammond, E. C., Lilienfeld, A. M., Shimkin, M. B., & Wynder, E. L. (2009). Smoking and lung cancer: recent evidence and a discussion of some questions. International journal of epidemiology, 38(5), 1175-1191.

Well, I've always seen it like this, ANYTHING you eat/consume kills you in some way, sugar is bad, alcohol is bad, too salty is bad, too fat is bad, too much vitamins is bad, etc. It's all a question of HOW you want to kill yourself haha

Japan. Greece. World's highest smokers. World's lowest lung cancer

Nicotine is a vitamin? Chemfag here, you're wrong. Niacin is a vitamin tho.

thanks for all these sources man. unfortunately OP cannot and will not read those

Nicotinic acid has nothing to do with its name and with nicotine. K

You can't do that in public? How do you hunt seal?

reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3cy4rv/eli5_why_is_indonesias_lung_cancer_rate_so_low/

>Some good answers here but to me the most obvious one is that people don't live long enough to develop lung cancer.
>Some statistics:
>Average life expectancy of Indonesia: 70.61 years (source: data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN/countries/ID-4E-XN?display=graph)
>Average age of lung cancer diagnosis: 70 (source: cancer.org/cancer/lungcancer-non-smallcell/detailedguide/non-small-cell-lung-cancer-key-statistics)
>Therefore in developed countries where the risk of other life threatening diseases is lower people are more likely to live long enough to develop lung cancer. In poorer countries such as Indonesia there are other more life threatening illnesses that lower the life expectancy and prevent people from living long enough to develop lung cancer.

>"it stinks and I don't like it"
other than a stinky shitty smell of tobacco and God knows what else for chemicals, the smoke makes it hard to breath when smoking in an enclosed space
>muh smoke
faggot, try breathing with non smoker lungs and get told "deal with it, its fine, its not that bad"
fuck you, you selfish inconsiderate asshat

What the fuck did you just say to me you little faggot? I'll have you know I graduated top of my Pharmacist class and have been involved with numerous prescriptions.

lol dumping a giant block of links is not how you win an argument libtards.

No, it's just that this is so incredibly retarded that it doesn't merit a real response. Enjoy your ashtray breath, chimney man. So sorry the rest of us don't appreciate the noxious stench of your habit of choice.

smokers are 100% one of 3 things:

1. trash
2. feminized cucks
3. ball-less faggots with zero self control or will power

>usually all 3 is correct

conclusion: op should suicide

>I mainly agree with your right is because you will die sooner

suree you did

the thing is you dont win, you already lost by participating

>Second hand smoke is not a health risk
Proof?

>pharmacy
>get a note from doctor
>find pill on shelf
>count pill
>put in bottle
>label bottle

Your parents must be so proud

Try harder, faggot. Japanese men smoke a lower number of cigarettes and the cigarettes are milder.

Takahashi, I., Matsuzaka, M., Umeda, T., Yamai, K., Nishimura, M., Danjo, K., ... & Nakaji, S. (2008). Differences in the influence of tobacco smoking on lung cancer between Japan and the USA: possible explanations for the ‘smoking paradox’in Japan. Public Health, 122(9), 891-896.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17163954
retard

and I make 120k for doing so. U mad?

Exactly. I have friends that smoke and I can't breath in a car with them. I did once and I struggled to breath the whole time and it gave me a headache. Not their fault, but yeah agreed user.

Exactly.

This is like correlating vaccines with autism or correlating cell phones with cancer.

>not their fault
of course not, they had the freedom to smoke, you had the freedom to leave. but you didnt

Fuck off shill

I don't read sources: the post

Smoking isn't bad for you guys. Don't you see? The kikes don't want you to give your money on their cigarettes.

If you don't pay the kikes, they win.

Vitamins are essential compounds required to upkeep life functions. Somehow I still made it to age fifteen without ever actively inhaling it, strange vitamin, this one.

Which industry? I'm curious.

"Stupid libtards using sources."

You couldn't be further from the truth, I quit being a pharmacist because of the shit we go thru.
>triple, quadruple, octuple check count
>Inventory fucking everything
>Always running out of painkillers on by first Friday of the month.
>Crazy fucks trying to say I shorted them percs
>People flipping shit when prices go up / don't have the right insurance
>Getting put on lockdown because co-workers steal/miscount pills
>More drug tests than days in the week
It isn't finding and counting that's fucking ridiculous, it is the paperwork and inventory management that is shit.

>appeal to intelligent successful people

I would agree with you if the kind of fancy air filtration systems that they have in Vegas casinos were inexpensive enough so that more public spaces and private businesses could afford them. In the case of the latter, I also think that a business should make the decision for themselves on whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment.
I don't smoke, but I honestly don't have a problem with people who choose to and anyone who unironically complains about secondhand smoke is a massive pussy and a busybody schoolmarm with nothing better to complain about. Not even a libertarian, btw.

/thred

what do you do now since you escaped that hellhole

>It's not a health risk

You're a fucking idiot and you deserve your lung cancer

But even if secondhand smoke wasn't toxic, it ruins the walls, makes the building smell like shit forever, ruins books, pictures, computers, and can cause acute respiratory distress in people with asthma or other preexisting respiratory disease.

Nice anecdotal evidence, friend. Vaginas smoke milder and smaller cigarettes.

Smoking is a filthy, degenerate habit that ruins carpets, walls, paintings, pictures, hair, skin, and the nose. It's literal trash that only calms people down who are already addicted.

and lesser

>Try harder, faggot. Japanese men smoke a lower number of cigarettes and the cigarettes are milder.

Older Japanese people have been known to go through three fucking packs a day, dude. That isn't "lower"

What are you even talking about, if you've worked with this you'd understand that smoking is carcinogenic containing arsenic and polycyclic hydrocarbons and not only this, but smoking wipes away type 2 pneumocytes, Clara cells and paralyzes the cilia.
Oh and let's not forget COPD and the mucus gland hyperplasia of chronic bronchitis

Tobacco. I go from farm to farm to make sure no one is illegally planting our seed

where is your source you faggot