A 2 hour movie simply isn't long enough to capture the whole book.
Why doesn't HBO just do a high-budget Dune miniseries? No studio would greenlight a trilogy, and I think that would be too long for the first book (two movies would be the ideal length).
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Dude, there's a series in the works by the director of Arrival
Unless he has Peter Jackson-like devotion to the source material, it will either be rushed or boring.
Also
>In the """"""works""""""
>why doesn't someone do what was already done?
Just giving you an update since you didn't seem to know.
>Syfy
>High budget
>Good
I did. But they've been saying a Dune movie is in the works for 2 decades now and various directors have been reportedly attached to it. It's an "I'll believe it when I see it" sort of thing.
No one will ever be able to adapt the later books. It simply isn't possible.
I've read the book two times and I still don't get it
The first one is as straightforward as you can get.
Doesn't sound like you did as you started a thread asking why no one has done this and he pointed out that someone is.
What don't you get, user?
>Why doesn't HBO make a miniseries?
>Someone's making a movie many years down the line maybe
You're right, user. I completely apologize.
too many internal monologues
It did a better job at adapting the book than Lynch.
Isn't Leto II like a ginormous sandworm in God Emperor of Dune?
Well that's not hard.
Yes.
Reminder that Alia did nothing wrong.
youtu.be
You sure?
damn, i was all ready to see some hot Honored Matre fucking. oh well.
Why is this book praised so much? I do like the environment and world-building, but Paul is such a Mary Sue.
By far the worst part of the book is how Herbert constantly has to assert Jessica's Bene Gesserit powers.
> She could sense every fucking rain drop and calculate how and when it would hit the ground
> It would take EVERY ounce of her training to defeat them
>Paul's entire goal at the beginning is to avoid the Jihad
>Ends up causing the Jihad anyway
>Paul is such a Mary Sue
A character being good at stuff doesn't make them Mary Sues.
>2017
>trusting Nu-BO
There's a huge gap between what is shown to us in the story and what is actually happening.
The point is that Paul is literally Gengis Khan or Hitler. (They are directly compared to in one of the books.) He has been wronged in some way and now he strikes back only he has such influence that it sweeps up billions of innocents along with his actual enemies.
The author does a poor job conveying the severity of the consequences in my opinion, you never feel the horrors that take place. But the point is that Paul, and by extent Frank Herbert tries to find a way for society to never degenerate into a state where a dictator can rise and abuse their power.
The author does a poor job conveying the severity of the consequences in my opinion
I don't get that. I've been re-reading it and Paul gets all angsty about how his future will involve the death of billions of Innocents every other page.
>book about transhumanism with a hero that is a fruit of thousands of generations of selective breeding that were basically a genetic program for creating a god, asking questions about messiah archetypes, eugenics and borders of human abilities and development and consequences transhumans and messiahs have on society
>hurr mc is mary sue durr
You completly missed the point. Not every story is supposed to be a cliched story of poor farmboy overcoming his weaknesses and going on heros journey you rlm drone, literature would be boring if it were
actually makes me want to rewatch it.
if you're talking about the first book, you may be retarded.
Yes but nothing about those visions gets personal. Irulan is one of the few actual characters that we can see suffering directly from Paul's actions, one of the few we can sympathize with.
There are no scenes where innocent people get slaughtered by fanatics, no scenes where Paul's aristorcrats gorge themselves while people starve outside their villas.
The books really needed a Baron Harkonnen character but on Paul's side, one who he could not dispose of because of some infuriating excuse like "He's just going to get replaced by someone even worse." But we're never given a face to the mob mentality that Paul fears. Granted, Alia kind of fulfills this role but again, her wrongdoings are portrayed in a very impersonal manner.
lol i think you're reading a little too much into that
She really didn't.
It's not her fault she was born as a woman :^)
>everything is better as a 10 hour miniseries where producers can't afford proper sets or specials effects for more than 1% of the total runtime and all scenes are closeups of people talking
Why does everyone hate film around here?
How Paul is detached from consequences of his actions and dissonance it creates is kinda the point. use your imagination, Herbert didnt need to write pages of violence porn to get the point across, its not GRRRMs pulp
>The books really needed a Baron Harkonnen character but on Paul's side, one who he could not dispose of because of some infuriating excuse like "He's just going to get replaced by someone even worse."
Like genocidal unethical islamic jihadist terrorist mass murderer Stilgar and his military of sucidal bombers worshipping Paul as god?
Film is fine for telling a concise story. Condensing Dune to one movie is like condensing LotR into one movie, and you can't guarantee sequels, so a mini series is a safer bet.
lawrence of arabia was under 3 hours, dune is just lawrence of arabia in space.
Sadly that has to be it for any medium attempting to cover Dune.
Otherwise its just going to turn into a GoT spinoff in space with knives and feminism overhyping the fact that the Bene Gesserit are women
Give Showtime first 2 seasons like SG1
You cannot adapt from one medium to another without changing the work. Nerd autism is exactly the wrong approach to a Dune film. Trying to make it exactly the same will only result in something that'll range from poor to mediocre and as such the lenght will only make it unbearable.
Dune is overrated
You're right, user. Thank God Peter Jackson was forced into condensing all three books into a 2 he 30 minute movie.
Yeah but the Kwisatz Haderach is a guy
>White foreigner uniting the desert tribes and becoming their religious prophet
>The Bene Gesserit, which are essentially female space wizards, have the goal breeding a super-being, and this person can only be a guy
Is Dune going to be the most problematic film of 2018?
Also a flamboyant bisexual villain character Baron Harkonnen.
>White foreigner
But user, the firemen are white too. In fact, there are no persons of color in Dune at all which may be the most problematic part.
come on dog you just know they'll make the fremen niggers
To be fair, Frank Herbert was unabashedly homophobic so that wouldn't be a completely ungrounded complaint.
Also, where does it indicate he's anything but gay? Even when he remarks on female characters beauty it's because theyre boy-like.
I didn't read Dune until I was in my 30's.
Why the fuck do so many people seem to give a shit about it?
It's genuinely just decent.
They could easily just cast a character never explicitly described as one way or the other like Duncan Idaho as black to appease the diversity folks. Maybe have a Hispanic actress play Chani.
Hes a white male at least. Bigger problem is that desert people are not peaceful in the book and actually start big jihad (yes, its literally called jihad!) and kill people of other cultures. Its blantant islamophobia. This needs to be fixed, they should be peaceful and opressed people, I mean its current year sweetie, is this really the message we'd want to send in Drumpfs America?
Don't pretend this shouldn't have happened with the Hobbit.
>Constantly described as having elf-like features
>Hispanic
If Chani is anything but a Northern European goddess I will be sorely disappointed
I'd be fine with Yueh being Asian.
Because It was a progenitor for a lot of sci-fi
I didn't read Dune until I was in my mind 20's too and when I read it I was honestly shocked at just how much other Sci-Fi that I've consumed throughout life was influenced by Dune.
I don't think anyone would argue that Fremen weren't heavily oppressed
Dont pretend that Dune is of similiar lenght as Hobbit
It's mentioned how Paul skinned captive Harkonnens, and how he used this to inflict terror. Irulan said of him in the first book that he was part ogre and part saint. Also, he had the option, early on, to choose exile with the spacing guild and prevent the Jihad, but he didn't do so. He wanted revenge. I can't really blame him for that. Certainly, he was no Mary Sue.
From his visions, he mentions drugged-up fanatics laying waste to planets. As some other guy said, I don't think that Herbert needed to focus more on this.
After becoming the Haderach, he talks about getting a new perspective on cruelty on kindness due to the magnitude of lives he gets to experience from his visions.
It's pretty clear that at this point, individual lives mean less to him.
Paul even comments on Stilgar turning into a fanatic: he was saddened that he had lost Stilgar as friend and instead gained a follower.
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>Because It was a progenitor for a lot of sci-fi
That doesn't mean its good, or worth such praise.
There is a ton of proto-fiction that is the foundation for a lot of Sci-Fi and Fantasy, but we don't gush over it because it's not well written by today's standards.
Dune isn't even especially remarkable when you consider how much the genre has evolved since then. A lot of Sci-Fi generated after the 80's has next to no traits in commonality with Dune, and any new fiction that does is especially hackneyed.
>Idontlikething.jgp
You don't have to like something, nor do you have to understand why other do. Just go on your merry way.
>it's not well written by today's standards.
You say that as if it's objective. I personally find reading Dune to be extremely pleasurable and it's a legitimate page-turner to me. Some people find it dry. It's just taste, senpai.
>Chani
>Northern European goddess
>fremen
??????
The firemen aren't middle eastern if that's what you're implying.
das right
we wuz free
Not with Jodorowsky.
Many are literally blonde. Also, Chani is the daughter of a off-worlder anyway.
>Why doesn't HBO
What I'd like to see (with this series or another) is cross-platform cooperation, say between HBO, Netflix, and Amazon. They each take a share of the profits for putting up an equal share of the production budget. Are they really winning new customers by having exclusives when every one and their grandma knows how to stream or torrent for free? I doubt something like this would happen but it's high time for premium and web-based content providers to pool their resources and cost-share so as to provide a better product to a wider audience.
There can never be a good Dune adaptation. So much of what makes the novel good is Herbert's style of writing and his descriptions of Paul's prescience. That stuff can't be recreated on screen without losing the magic
Read the books
He is Pauls Grandpa, His grandma was a sex slave of his used by the space witches
It's not that complicated people. It's just an above average (better than absolute shit) sci-fi novel.
The book is fairly short and uneventful, actually, you can easily pack in under two hours.
0-40 minutes - Setup, lore, Atreides arrival on Arrakis, and Dr.Fag's betrayal
41-60 minutes - Paul and his hot mom escape and wander around finding muslims
60-100 minutes - Paul becomes Mohammed
100-120 minutes - CGI ridden action
Way too fucking rushed and no time for proper ending
What's a great sci fi novel, user?
Monologues.
...suck
spoken word is the enemy of film kid
I keep saying that a miniseries is not ideal. Dune works best as a single, complete piece (albeit a long one). Breaking it up doesn't feel right.
Why does it have chapters then, asshat?
What is a modern television series other than a long movie that plays a dumb intro for you to skip over between some scenes?
They even release it all at once ya dip
>HURRRR SHOW DONT TELL DURRRR MOVIES SHOULD JUST BE SILENT
Shut up cuck
>straw man
>ad hominem
No argument.
someone should make a 'god emperor of dune' movie, make it six hours long, and include everything, no matter how boring. art for arts sake.
>Peter Jackson-like devotion to the source material
The fat hack turned a much-revered book into a series of big, dumb, CGI-driven Hollywood blockbusters. Devotion to source material, my arse.
Christopher pls die so we can get intellectual property involving the Silmarillian made.
you will never see it in your lifetime.
Chris is an old man and I am young. Don't be so sure.
I agree.
They could replace the entirety of book 3 with the little girl stabbing Alia and going "u just got GHANIMOWNED, BITCH!"
>reading fiction
do people actually do this?
Bait, but the fact there are real people who have this kind of mindset always kills me.
The type that work in sales and read self help books.