Okay Sup Forums, let's have a sober discussion on the future of America

Okay Sup Forums, let's have a sober discussion on the future of America.

Before starting this, I'm voting for Trump. I like Trump's platform. His economic centrism and trade policies are refreshing. His stances on immigration and foreign policy are something I've wanted for a long time. My only gripes with him as a candidate are his lack of proper environmental policy, and lack of tangible social conservatism.

That said, I'm all-in for Trump, and encourage all of you to vote that way as well.

(The above is just to stress that I'm not concern trolling or shilling in a roundabout way).

Despite my support for Trump, will he actually be able to save America? We're hitting LA Riot-tensions nationwide. Hispanics are breeding at rapid rates, etc. Are we simply doomed to become a white minority nation?

More over, what can we expect if Hillary wins? Will America be able to recover from gun control legislation, amnesty and refugees? Or will we be doomed to Brazil 2.0 or balkanization?

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not american, but her politics will certainly screw my country up too (even more than it already is).
From what i've read and watched on jewtube thus far, tensions between whites and pretty much everyone will get worse, your second amendment will be BTFO hard and "muh guns n shiieeet" will be no more... enslavement china-tier down here in mexico and you'll be culturally enriched with our cholos and god knows what else as a result.
>Brazil 2.0
likely to happen, the only difference is that the whites up there will be target of everyone (La raza dudes, local jamal-tyrone and their nigger lies matter, muslims that hate your guts and raw niggers)...

Dude, you are fucking brainwashed. Go back and look at what Fox news said about Obama in 2008, and look how much of it came true. "Obama's gonna take muh guns!" "He was born in Kenya!"

The media narrative about Hillary is complete BS. The 'email scandal' describes business-as-usual for previous presidents and for federal organizations in general. It won't take you long to find reports of cybersecurity breaches in essentially every federal agency, and cybersecurity policies being ignored. The Benghazi incident is at worst a minor mistake - people try to build it up like Hillary should have been a perfect military strategist, and like no other politician is responsible for deaths of U.S. military and government personnel (hint: most have voted for political wars that cost US lives at some point or another).

I'm voting for Gary Johnson because I believe the political dichotomy we have is one of the most harmful things in US politics, but Hillary is my second choice because she is a proven good and effective administrator with generally sane opinions.

You're fucking retarded

Clinton has the possibility of appointing what, 2 or 3 Justices if she wins?

The situation is completely different from Obama

>muh faux news

This isn't taken from Fox, faggot, it's taken from Hillary's website.

>Obama didn't take your guns

No. He faced Republican opposition the entire way, thank God. Republicans will most likely lose their majority status halfway through Hillary's first term. Factor in SCOTUS appointments and gun control becomes a reality.

>List of inane, ill-informed bullshit that has nothing to do with what the OP is about

>I'm voting for Gary 'Open borders' Johnson

Kill yourself, my man.

$0.05 has etc. etc.

>lack of proper environmental policy
He's won many environmental awards and places the burden on the free and open market of innovators

>lack of tangible social conservatism
He stands against divisive groups like BLM and promotes healthy pairing by opposing homosexual marriage

You're cucked by the neocon Jews

... and you think Trump will make good choices for justices why? Do you think he'll go along with what the republicans want? If so, that's essentially going to be more control from the religious right - banning abortions, reversing marijuana legalization, removing restrictions on political spending, preserving tax loopholes for the rich.

Gary Johnson has a record of common-sense and data-driven policies, along with more legitimate political experience than either Trump or Hillary.

If Hillary wins you can expect balkanization in 2030s. If Trump wins maybe the 2050s.

Alex Jones put on an amazing show.

>Full Show - Obama Institutes Operation Racewar - 07/08/2016
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>Putin Issues Desperate Warning of WWIII
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Who cares if they're from the religious right? Right is better than left. This is about building a wall. Not everyone is going to agree with Trump on every issue, and that's fine. But we need to build a wall. And it has to be built quickly.

Gary "Open Borders' Johnson is a useful idiot for the democrats. He'd pass open borders amnesty giving the Democrats 15m+ new voters.

As for Trump. I don't see weed being changed because it's already been changed to a schedule 2 drug, Abortion sucks I agree but gun rights and secure borders / no amnesty are much more important.

The only gun policies Obama even attempted were background checks, dealer licensing, and gun shows. Not even close to taking anyone's guns.

>He's won many environmental awards

I know. My issue, is that the GOP is losing the PR war on environmental issues, and eventually the Left will have a monopoly on the issue. Placing the burden entirely on the free market is fine in theory, but the left has become fantastic at convincing the public that it's not enough, or the solution for "deniers."

>He stands against divisive groups like BLM

Good

>Promotes healthy pairing by opposing homosexual marriage

Ignoring his bathroom stance, he's still not nearly socially conservative enough.

>You're cucked by the neocon Jews

Part of the reason I like Trump is because he's leading the GOP away from neoconservatism.

Neocon Jews are primarily focused on foreign policy and bad, ideologically-driven economic policy. Trump's a departure on both.

Granted, I was hoping to discuss whether or not America was beyond saving, demographically.

>Banning abortions

Probably not.

>Reversing marijuana legalization.

Fine by me. Your shitty habit hasn't worked out well in my state.

>Removing restrictions on political spending

Gary Johnson and Hillary Clinton both fail this test. Trump has come out in support of getting money out of politics.

>Preserving tax loopholes for the rich.

If you had listened to anything Trump has said about tax policy, you'd know he's been consistent in wanting to close those.

$.05 has been deposited to your Paypal account, thank you for Correcting the Record!

What do you expect from Sup Forums ? It's full of idiots that follow any hint of authoritarianism.

I like you, but take your accurate and rational ideas elsewhere, if what you want is a descent political discussion there's no place for you here.

I don't like either Trump or Hillary, but If I'd had to pick, even if I hate to admit it, I'd pick Hillary.

That's the most realpolitik would allow, given the situation. He's not going to try and ram through extreme measures with 0% chance of passing, you fucking retard.

Gary Johnson has a record of common-sense and data-driven policies

>Open borders
>Common sense

>Legalization of Marijuana
>Data-driven

>The only gun policies Obama even attempted were background checks, dealer licensing, and gun shows. Not even close to taking anyone's guns.

Look at the laws CA is passing.. Democrats will blame guns for anything and use any event to pass more and more regulations. Only reason Obama hasn't be able to do jack shit is cuz of GOP controlled Congress which will fail if Hillary wins.

He views Hillary's actual policy platform as "Rightwing propaganda from faux news."

He's politically illiterate, you probably are too.

>GOP is losing the PR war on environmental issues
the only thing that matters is the truth

>will Trump save America?
No
>will Trumps policy decisions help give a larger slice of the proverbial pie to red blooded Americans post break up?
Yes

People and culture don't reflect in politics, politics reflects the culture and people.

The fact we've come to this point, indicates the inevitable destiny of the soul of the people. Now its positioning for the most advantageous, fertile, ashes.

>More over, what can we expect if Hillary wins?

War with Russia, racial tensions growing stronger, and basically the collapse of western civilation

>He views Hillary's actual policy platform as "Rightwing propaganda from faux news."
You're not even politically illiterate, you're actually illiterate.

I don't believe it. Obama has come out in support of 2nd amendment rights and it's not like he needs to worry about re-election.

He passed Obamacare, and you're saying he couldn't have passed some stupid gun restrictions if he wanted?

>"Obama's gonna take muh guns!"
Well he has certainly tried his hardest hasn't he.

Is that the only issue you care about? Illegal immigration is not really an important issue, but it's caused by the war on drugs, which Johnson is hoping to end. If drugs weren't illegal, organized crime wouldn't the source for these drugs, so it wouldn't exist (for some groups like the cartels) or would be much much smaller (groups like the mafia). If organized crime in Mexico didn't exist, then Mexico would be less shitty (you wouldn't have anywhere near the violence), and less people would be fleeing Mexico. Honestly, with how Mexico is now, the illegal immigrant are basically refugees. Without organized crime the situation wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it is today.

citation please

>and you're saying he couldn't have passed some stupid gun restrictions if he wanted?

Have you not been paying attention? He's made many speeches about the necessity of gun control, he keeps getting cockblocked by congress. Every time there's a terrorist attack, he shills for gun control.

Do you just find Obama's speeches too boring to listen to?

>doesn't support any immigration reform, only wants a wall.
A wall isn't going to do shit - it's a symbol at best.

Good so it should be easy to find one for me. In the meantime here's a good one for you:
youtu.be/JVDGcIu0Q4M?t=27

>Linking the '08 election's Dem. Debates, while ignoring any recent, post-shooting Obama speech.

Yeah, you're retarded.

No shit Obama pretended to support a lot of shit he turned his back on. He even used to pretend to be anti gay marriage.

USA have no future.
Enjoy your war and poverty fags.

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Is this a reliable enough source for you?

You can say Obummer's position on gun control is 100% reasonable. Good! I don't mind people of the opposing camp on Sup Forums! But you can't argue he doesn't support gun control WHEN HE FUCKING SHILLS FOR IT ALL THE DAMN TIME, even on his administration's website.

Unless the casuals vote Trump in, and unless they change their immigration policy drastically, you're right Paweł.

sleeper issue is the next president will decide whether the supreme court shifts liberal during a time period where 1st and 2nd are under fire.

Thanks. I didn't realize Obama was pushing to bring back assault weapons ban that we had from 1994-2004. Even so, I'd still characterize him as a moderate on guns, at worst. He still DOES recognize the 2nd amendment as an individual right and most of the policies he's pushed for are just about background checks.

A vote for Johnson is a soft vote for Hillary.

You may leave now.

he'll prevent shillary from setting up the supreme court with all liberal judges for decades
so, yes, he'll save america.

>Trump opposes gay marriage
Are you actually retarded?

>Even so, I'd still characterize him as a moderate on guns, at worst.

What? No, he's to the left of center on those things. You can immediately tell someone is a deluded leftist if they mention "assault weapons" because assault weapons aren't, you know, a thing -- banning guns because someone put a pistol grip and bayonet on it is full retard, and anyone who advocates for it is automatically and objectively either lying or stupid.

So the question is, are Hillary, Bernie, and Obama STUPID and think assault weapons are an actual thing, or are they intentionally lying?

>and most of the policies he's pushed for are just about background checks.

Because its easier to ask for incrementally nibbling away at American rights. Obviously. That's how they always work.

Step 1: Take away gun rights for "compromise"
Step 2: Wait
Step 3: Say "why won't you compromise?"
Step 4: Goto 1

I didn't save it, but there was a thread not too long ago will poll data showing that Johnson is pulling more from Hillary than Trump.

politically he does. I know he is fine with it privately, but he has gone on record dozens of times saying he will appoint judges who oppose gay marriage to the supreme court

Meh. The 'right of the people to keep and bear arms' doesn't need to include a specific type of gun, and if you allow for the idea that felons should not be allowed guns, then how do you plan to enforce that without solid background checks?

How about this: I'm a scientist and I want to study Ebola and the Black Plague and such. My right to keep potentially harmful organisms, in my house, cannot be infringed since they are easily classifed as a weapon.

>please help us there's terrorists at the gates
>nah
>oh god we're dying please send the soldiers you have within walking distance
>nah
>oh god we died
>WELL YOU CAN'T EXPECT ME TO BE A FLAWLESS TACTICIAN IT'S JUST BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN THAT YOU'RE INTERROGATING ME

Yep you haven't even read what actually happened. Hillary requested additional funding for security, it was denied. Just because their deaths were dramatic doesn't make them any more important than the US military members that we send overseas to die in our political wars.

>The 'right of the people to keep and bear arms' doesn't need to include a specific type of gun

It doesn't in other countries but shall not be infringed etc.

Also we do have background checks. Obama wants to fuck with gun shows.

>in my house, cannot be infringed since they are easily classifed as a weapon.

Weaponizing black plague makes you a bioterrorist. Enjoy Gitmo.

So where do you draw the line on weapons? there's no rule against an individual owning a nuke, and the 2nd amendment supports that idea.

>Obama wants to fuck with gun shows
Yeah he wants background checks consistently run.

If hillary wins we go to war with Russia basically.

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IT LITERALLY DOESNT MATTER!
THE US' ECONOMY IS ALREADY AT THE WORST ITS BEEN SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. THE DOLLAR IS OVERVALUED BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IN IT. ONCE CREDITORS WAKE UP, ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE. THE ZIONIST GLOBALIST HAVE FUCKED THEIR GOALS UP AND US AS WELL. ITALY AND DEUTSCH BANK IS AT THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE AS WELL. GLOBALISM HAS FAILED. WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE CANON FODDER. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE US WHILE YOU STILL CAN. QUICK MARRY SOME SHITPOSTING AUSSIE. LEAVE!

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I am most worried about this. She's more hawkish than Obama ever was and if her domestic agenda is doomed because the House won't be flipped until after 2020 at the earliest she could turn her attention to foreign policy.

I think all of what you fear is inevitable. I will say Balkanization will contine. Just look at the divergence of state ballot initaitives among the state this November:
cbsnews.com/news/weed-guns-porn-introducing-novembers-ballot-initiatives/
The Red States are getting even more Conservative and the Blue ones even more Liberal. I think the end game is going to be 24-26 Californias/New Yorks and Texas/Mississippis.

I think underpinning a lot of racial tension though is economic stagnation and inequality caused by globalization and automation which has created a labor trap.

The dollar is inflated because people don't understand economics and demand higher minimum wages.

>So where do you draw the line on weapons?

There are no particular laws against nukes afaik and grenades etc. are covered by destructive device laws.

Flamethrowers are also legal in most states.

It's actually the opposite. The value of the dollar declines in advance of every increase in the federal minimum which is why people demand a higher nominal minimum wage in response to it's loss in real historical value.

The proper response would be to peg the minimum wage to the CPI the way there are COLAs for Social Security, Medicare, regulation fines, etc perhaps with some localized community rating offset for the differences in labor markets between zipcodes somewhere in rural Georgia and Metropolitan California for example. But you can't put that solution on a bumper sticker.

>it makes no difference who becomes POTUS.....the social issues will not go away....race war will be inevitable...the army will have to step in....then let the dictatorship begin...welcome to communism america....you asked for it!

>Doesn't even know that making Cannabis illegal was unconstitutional to begin with

If he puts constitutional SC judges on the bench, they will have to follow the rule of law on this. See states rights.

>Oy vey goyim, please don't use degenerate cannabis, use our FDA approved pharmaceuticals instead!

>Tries to imply this poster is shilling to hide the fact that shekels were just deposited into your Bank of Jewmerica account for this post

Trump has already said he supports states rights and medicinal usage. I'd rather have people smoking weed than getting shit-faced.

I know sensitive people like yourself can't comprehend the basic freedom of self-governance, but trying to interfere with a freedom that was recently restored will only make things worse.

The proper response is to abolish the minimum wage and let people decide for themselves what their labor is worth.

I wouldn't expect a shitposter to understand the significance of +/-3 conservative or liberal SCOTUS picks.

>I'm voting for Gary Johnson

Should've put that at the very beginning of the post so I would've known to just keep scrolling

Obama has tried for years to take our guns, so yes, they were right.

>"Look at me guys, I sound so hopeless and down about being on Sup Forums, yet I browse it all the time! Lol guys, isn't that weird? Lol"

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