Communism is the best form of government. Prove me wrong

Communism is the best form of government. Prove me wrong.

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Can I have some money please?

What country has successfully implineted it?

Technically speaking, I dont have to prove you wrong. We are both right. Cheers.

shit OP I have nothing, you win.

Oh, that's why eastern European countries influenced by communism are rich and prosperous... really made me think
>inb4 China
They are officially commies but their whole economy is based on capitalism

Because no country has prospered under communism.

Communism and socialism bring everyone down to the same level of complacency and stifle any desire for innovation and self-improvement because "why bother?"

Also, pic related.

oh boy, I just cant wait to explain for the 6th gazillion time why communism doesn't work

Exactly can't prove me wrong nor any alternatives.

That doesn't mean communism isn't the best form of government.

It isn't because Communist societies don't have governments. The kikes ran with Marx's ideas and created countries of state (((((socialism))))) which is supposed to be the method by which equality is achieved and the state is repealed to allow for the communist society to exist.
If there's a state, it's not a commune

sw33t bait lad! I haven't seen a gommie thread in fucking forever and lol at these damn eastern euro liberalshka spreading their lies about the famines haha praise be to kek i'm just a gidd :DDDD

It doesn't promote most skilled/intelligent/experienced people but relatives and friends. Communism controls your life, way you think, what and when you do something.

Name one communist country that isn't complete shit.

Here (((OP))), watch this if you have an intense desire to blow yourself out.

>Milton Friedman Speaks - Is Capitalism Humane?
youtube.com/watch?v=27Tf8RN3uiM

ummm sage

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Wait, I thought Venezuela was an example of socialism gone wrong..?
Oh well I guess it's whatever we fuckin need it to be, amirite?

>Also, pic related.
Can you name any revolutions without innocent victims?

Yes, but as long as there isn't corrupt people at the top taking all the money and power.

Then true communism would be wonderful.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

no thanks

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Yeah but that image isn't true communism. I like Nazi Germany as much as the next guy on Sup Forums, but a technocracy (true communist) planet is fucking utopian man.

Communism literally goes against every human fibre in our bodies.

People don't want to be the "same".
People don't want to settle for less.
People don't want to support others unless they are at a certain level of wealth.

Get this shit into your head you little rebel, people are greedy, people strive for more, better things for themselves and their family.

Just because you think your idea of sharing wealth is righteous doesn't mean people change. There will always be people trying and succeeding to take advantage and to take power so they have more than others.

Human fucking nature. Stop trying to go against it you filthy hippie.

Exactly. But if we could, we would all be better off.

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Two words : no incentive

All anarchist systems are vulnerable to defectors and collapse into tyranny, even before we deal with practical issues, such as your inability to match production to desire consumption.

I think society should change not people :^)

>communism works guys!
>millions die
>it wasn't real communism! Try again!
rinse and repeat

Communism has never been tried.

We need a small society of about 500, in a self-sustaining agriculture "Eden" type system on a floating pontoon in international waters. True communism can be tested there, and I bet you it will be extremely successful, as long as no cunt gets greedy and tries to create a harem of all the females, or hoard all the food etc.

Capitalism killed millions more :^)

>saving the thumbnail

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Technocracy is an oligarchy of experts, is strictly hierarchical, and is not communism. You should hang out with the neoliberals, because they all fancy themselves technocrats, while destroying the world economy every now and again.

you guys are the worst anti communist in the entire existence

After global Capitalism hits Communism is the next step.

you win op

>2 posts by this ID

Even if we accept your shitposting,

Millions dying of circumstances caused by capitalism (poverty, pollution, etc) is not comparable to millions dying from preventable famines, purges and being chucked into fucking gulags

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Sure bud. That's definitely achievable. Communism will work with emotionless groups of robots who are programmed to the same objective.

DONE

The one under the dictator is the party, left that out, my bad.

people with no desire to innovate will not innovate, those who wish to can and will

Isn't Communism explicitly the absence of a government? It's supposed to be a classless, stateless society. That's part of the reason it doesn't exist--classes do not form as a result of government, they are natural, and cannot be eliminated, even by government.

Necessity breeds innovation, no need, no incentive for people to always be looking for a better way.

>calls op a jew
>post a red pilled jew

>this

I fucking hate communism.

"Hey guiz I have the perfect idea for how society should be run"

"That's great! You've actually managed to reconcile the competing interests of individuals while maintaining equality of opportunity and preserving all the necessary incentives to keep people working?"

"Yeah basically in my system everyone just acts perfectly and then there's no more problems"

"But why would they do that?"

"Cuz it's the system, yeah?"

It's like something a 5 year old would come up with.

the soviet union was good until brezhnev came along and reversed all the progress the soviets made in the past

and yugoslavia was pretty good until the reagan administration interfered

fun fact venezuela is starving not because "muh socialism" but because of the fact that the us put sanctions on the country as well as the fact that the country relies on the oil trade for their economy to function and oil prices have been pretty low

venezuela was doing ok under the socialist government for a while but no one talks about that

if a capitalist government fails or if people start starving in a capitalist country nobody blames capitalism they just say it's some other thing

>government grants (i.e. your taxes) fund a large amount of scientific/technological research

i'm not denying that consumer-oriented 'innovation' is all bunk; but a majority of it is used to appease a consumer's constant need for novelty (and push capital). Bendy screens, your new wifi fridge, glittery fleshlights, VR headsets... youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0JTkBZdyw

hell, the term innovation is just a cheap selling point these days.

desu the real meat and muscle comes from the military industrial complex, which gets a majority of funding from the USGOV

then explain it you cuck

You don't measure a runner by how fast he was running in the marathon if he had a fucking heart attack before he got to the finish line. A failed state is a failed state. Venezuela would be fine if it would have diversified it's energy sector and not engaged in socialist price setting.

>no desire for innovation

then why is it that the majority of "innovations" in technology (among other things) today are simple gimmicks made to screw people out of $600

Venezuela is starving because they built an unsustainable monocultured economy around oil production without diversifying like, say, Norway did, or as the Saudis are attempting to do now.

The reason this happened, though, is that Nationalized industry favors easy solutions to public opinion problems, and the easiest solution to nobody in Venezuela having any prospects or opportunities was to flood them with gibs instead of spending the money on something useful. Gasoline was so cheap in Venezuela that most places didn't even charge for it, they gave it out like water at a restaurant.

Pure Socialism does not work. Mixed economies are the way to go. Norway's largest oil company is primarily state owned, but only by I believe 65%, which allows money to flow both to social programs and the lower orders, and also towards high level commercial interests and corporate investment. Coupled with low corporate taxes you have the ultimate environment for combined economic growth and high quality of life.

But Socialist ideologues don't like to talk about Norway when you bring up the fact that it is successful because it combines low corporate taxes with partial state-ownership of certain industries.If Venezuela had not been huge cocksuckers, and if Chavez had not essentially stolen a bunch of peoples' assets, it would be the richest country in the world.

get your own opinion leaf

lets really take VR into consideration, there's no doubt in my mind that our friends at lockheed-martin, BAE, and other large happy-friendly corporations were experimenting with VR interfaces for military use, on the citizen's dime.

archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyberia/VETopLevels/VR.History.html

its science at this point, they take the positive attributes (fighter-jet headsets, small, high resolution screens, headtracking, etc.) implement it where it needs to be, done and done.

fucking imagine what's being developed on your dime today.

now here, in 2016, after OCR/cuckerburg gets millions in crowdfunding, releases a subpar product which needs the help of online personalities to advertise it.

you're not buying a quality product, you're buying an idea. Millions in america spending hard labor on ideas and dreams. Not a very efficient use of resources or manpower, unless your the guy at the top.

Communism is an end result, not a solution.

>and yugoslavia was pretty good until the reagan administration interfered
Lets not pretend that Yugoslavia fell apart for any reason other than the Balkan states being the Balkan states.

On paper .
In small groups of honest people it could work alright .
But here in the real world of 9 billion liars , you'll sooner start a snow shoveling business in hell

Glorious Revolution

Your move

>tfw there will never be communal ownership of the means of production
>tfw Socialism will never prevail
>tfw Capitalism has been an unmitigated success in raising the lot of the many
>tfw you live a comfy upper middle class life with little stress or discomfort
>tfw you get to enjoy seeing the self-avowed socialists, who live off the triumphs of capitalism in some of the most prosperous nations, insist on the validity of the labour theory of value and muh socially necessary labour time knowing that their ideals will never be taken seriously

read this nigga

It failed

>Lets not pretend that Yugoslavia fell apart for any reason other than the Balkan states being the Balkan states.
This kind of blind arrogance is why we're enjoying ourselves watching your 'country' burn.

Make no mistake, the whole West is going the way of Yugoslavia pretty soon, and it's gonna be 1000 times more violent.
Glorious.

that sure showed me. guess i'm a #shillforhill now

cool

when tito 2.0 pops up in yugoslavia can i hang with you guys ?

was meant for

>a slight knock fired up the typical Balkan tensions
Woah, thanks for proving my point.

>Make no mistake, the whole West is going the way of Yugoslavia pretty soon, and it's gonna be 1000 times more violent.
>Glorious.
Pretty good shitpost right there, I rate it a 7.

it's wallowing the lowest common denominator of life and using propping up a dysfunctional oppressive system through massive levels of coercion, please kid......

No it's not

It requires complete and total dehumanization. When the Russians installed it, none of the peasants wanted to work the state-owned land because it wasn't theirs so they didn't give a shit, and these plots were absolutely huge, so food production dropped instantly

The US will be one bloody mess for surem but let's be honest, yugoslavia would have not worked because of the Orthodox Catholic devide unless one removed the other.

>the only incentive anyone has to do anything is for money!
>it's the only thing we've ever known so it must be hew man natchur guys like obviously.

Sure, just bring that sweet syrup of yours.

>shitpost
As if you're not aware of this yourself. You wouldn't be here if you weren't.

It has been tried.

it's honestly easier to imagine the apocalypse than it is to live in a post-capitalist world.

even the "marxist dialectic" has been consumed by neoliberal global capitalism. Morality, sexuality, identity, (especially) politics; all of it can and will be sold to you at a competitive price.

take that as you will, be it horrifying or a triumph of the free market.

True communism is just extreme collectivism, there individualism is thrown out the window.

If you want to conserve the values of your society and its gene pool than yeah communism is the go. but be warned, that's pretty much what the Abo's did for 45,000 years.

Individualism to an extent is good because on from conflict are humans encouraged to learn.

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you don't understand money

>yugoslavia would have not worked because of the Orthodox Catholic
But it worked for almost 50 years. Why? Because it was a secular country that didn't give religion its' spotlight.
Sure, that might have made some things worse in the long run, but you have to consider these were baby-boomers we're talking about. They're basically 50's millennials.
Anyone who tells me 'but it couldn't work' just needs to ask someone older than 40 what life was like back then.

because as we all know capitalism has never cause a single death ever

Omg I hate communism now wtf

It worked for 40 years because Tito was good at his job. That is the only reason.

Your post is obscurantist drivel. What the fuck are you trying to convey?

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ever read anything by marx ?

just curious

Just posting this

Workers owning the means of their own labour is retarded, they should own the means of their own property

that's not capitalism, leaf, that's imperialist CIA funding terrorist groups.

funding terrorist groups to fight and suppress anti capitalist organization

>the country relies on the oil trade for their economy to function and oil prices have been pretty low

There's a reason other oil rich countries aren't starving and didn't fund their Socialist policies with 90% oil money, it's because central planning doesn't create a flexible economy so yes Socialism is shit because it distorts incentives and economic signals and creates a rigid economy that can't handle crisis.

Look at how Chile recovered from the Latin American credit crisis for example or Australia from the GFC and minimg busts. It's bad here but we aren't starving yet, rest assured this isn't from a lack of trying by Socialists here.

If the Greens were in power here every state would be like Tasmania.

wrong as hell son

The sole reason the US is backing terrorists is to secure the israeli existence

>neoliberal global capitalism

majority of economic power lies within the global corporate oligarchy, this common interest in driving profit is becoming free of national borders. Trade partnerships only make this process easier.

>"marxist dialectic" has been consumed... Morality, sexuality, identity, (especially) politics...

its just capitalism man, you work, you get payed, you consume; it's beyond your control

granted it's a loopy capitalism where the products are made in a chinese gulag and upsold 1000%, with more $$$ is put into advertising it than actual quality. bought not for function but novelty, the "spectacle"

is your operating system microsoft or OSX? Are you a techie or an artist?

linux? wow check out this special socialist snowflake

STILL SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THIS.

I'd like general first impressions from people on how this comes across to them. I'm still refining the idea and your feedback would help.

New Zealand is Australian territory.

Communism is flawless if you're willing to completely disregard human nature. The unfortunate part about society is that we are human, senpai.

Even anarcho capitalism would work there. You are not proving anything. Communist societies have no desire for innovation and people will get lazy and live for the food the farmers give them and society will collapse. Rome fell because of soialism (free food) and scamming the Ceasar

someone said communism

Yeah, we even got our name from one of them.
> Sup Forums pot

He's a fucking bigoted pseudo intellect who never stepped in a factory. I read the Communist manifesto half of it is low-tier capitalism criticism which has been debunked by Milton Friesland in an hour on a stage and the other half is contradictory bullshit

There is no government in communism. Don't talk about things you don't understand.