Has he figured football out?

has he figured football out?

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the unanswerable question....

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He's a FIFA kid with daddy's credit card

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>le blank check man

RING RING

Funny how everyone says he only wins because of this super team yet nobody picked them to win before the season began. Super teams don't fly under the radar

>who is Mouyes

Can someone explain THIS ENTIRE THREAD to this American who knows nothing about football?

He figured out post-Cruyffism but football always evolves and changes and considering the resources these days football will evolve and change at alarmingly fast rates so if he in any way slacks then he's fucked. But he's not alone in figuring out what football is at the moment, Inter, Napoli, Wolves, they know what it's all about.

Pep changed football with Tiki-taka and he's continued to evolve beyond that.

Honestly believe his teams dope. No way adding Kyle shitting Walker to last season's City side made them this good

Spendy-spendy

In terms of league-tactics, yes.
His 'problem' is he only knows one way to play. Atleast he only has one way to play.
You'll never see him sub a player like Messi out to bring Tall CB #6 on the pitch to defend a 1-0 lead for 30 minutes.
In that he plays with a lot of risk, and that could explain his - considering league titles - lack of european succes.

His City side are very impressive. Sure he's got an insane amount of money available. But who else than him would've used David Silva and KDB as #8's at the same time.

Literally only him, and stuff like that is why he's the best. He has singlehandedly exposed the PL this year. Even die-hard fans are now questioning themselves; "Are West Brom really better than Alavés?"

And as fans we should love that it's him and not someone like Mourinho who's getting the succes.
Pep's teams play beautiful football, always.
With the amount of pragmatic football being played in these days, it's so reassuring to see that the very best are those who dare to attack.

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'no'.

>yet nobody picked them to win before the season began.

They didn't

He has the best style of play to win any league but for the CL i'm not sure yet. We'll see when they meet a very strong team.
He got rekt by bayern when he had barça then rekt by barça when he had bayern...
I feel like his team is gonna be shattered when the semis come and he'll get beat again by Real/PSG/Barça...

They've not played a difficult game in months.
The Spurs game recently was when they were in a downward spiral and United missed Pogba

And looking at the fixtures I can't see them dropping points until Feb when they've got Liverpool, Chelsea and the two Basel games.

The league is shit this year with everyone rebuilding thanks to all the PL money. It's like the Leicester season again except with a good team that are capable of rekting everybody

>Wolves
Really? I don't watch the Championship, so I'm genuinely curious as to how.

Also, since Jonathan Wilson wrote that article the other day, I've seen post-Cruyffism used so much.

United with Pogba have drawn two and lost one if I'm not mistaken?
How on earth would he have made a difference?

Because he's the only United player capable of keeping possession under pressure and playing football

Wolves are Mendes new breeding ground. They brought in players like Ruben Neves who was captain for Porto at age 18 or so.

Today he ensured United not getting a point. I'm sorry but I think you are slightly delusional if you think he's the difference between an easy and hard game for City.
He can't defend and he's being used in a #6 spot, playing way deeper than he should because Mou is adamant on using his dinosaur tactics.

Pep is like the first guy who figured out LB+Y in FIFA.

He hasn't exactly "figured football out". He isn't playing the most effective football, and he isn't playing the most attractive football. But he's doing what "git 'er dun". Winning matches has always been Pep's style, and it's what he's doing.

It turns out that rapid short passing beats 80% of modern football systems. You can beat the other 20% with incredible pace off the ball.
Combine rapid close passing with fast players and you just can't lose in the long term.

Pep is pure cheese. He's literally destroying football, in the sense that he's making it pointless in the long term.

I knew about the Mendes connection and I thought Neves was a big name to go to that division, but didn't realize they had "figured things out", so to speak.

Interesting...

he is literally the best manager money can buy.

>You'll never see him sub a player like Messi out to bring Tall CB #6 on the pitch to defend a 1-0 lead for 30 minutes.
>wanting to see shitty park the bus football from the middle ages

>United missed Pogba

yes and we missed Stones, Kompany went off injured, Mendy

Your analysis is shit

Missing three nobodies is a bit different to missing your best outfield player by a distance

>and he isn't playing the most attractive football.

>You'll never see him sub a player like Messi out to bring Tall CB #6 on the pitch to defend a 1-0 lead for 30 minutes.
I saw him sub Götze for Javi Martinez once.
Completely shut Dortmund, who were close to scoring, down.

here's you (You)

he's like bill belichick

that's josep guardiola. Man city coach.

Good point snownigger. I learned my lesson.

But he isn't. Possessionball is pure cancer.

It's part of his genius that he's managed to convince the world it is beautiful. He's made it seem like touching one of his players is like destroying an original Di Vinci so they get away with all manner of diving and professional fouls as a result.

If you unironically think that City aren't the most exciting team to watch play right now then I can't help you friend and no amount of perjoratives will help you argue your point.

>Go to City
>Have England #1 Goalkeeper
>Don't like him
>Sign Barcelona #1 Goalkeeper
>Don't like him
>Sign Benfica #1 Goalkeeper
>Yeah this is okay
>Repeat for every position on the pitch

Wow. Genius.

Except this doesn't work at clubs that aren't financed by an organisation which specialises in global oppression.

Other clubs would not be able to afford Hart's wages as he plays in another country, let alone paying the wages of a NEW goalkeeper and the £30 million transfer fee and that's ignoring the fact he went out and did the exact same thing again.

Clubs can't take these hits.

It's actually disgraceful what they are doing to the game. Seriously considering packing it in and going to watch pub league instead.

Couldn't care less who wins what anymore. It means essentially nothing. It's no longer about skill or hard work.

In fact, if City and PSG fail to win the league at any point in the next 10 years it would be an embarrassment for them.

Without a doubt. He's revolutionised football, but he's turned it into something boring and predictable. Possessionball is all about forcing a result, and it's the overwhelming trending across the board right now.

What was the last exciting City game? When did they repeatedly exchange a lead with another club? When did they do something worthy of the all-time highlights?

Pep (and City) are great at grinding out wins. Pep has figured out football in that sense. He can guarantee 3 points on Saturday. But holding onto the ball for 75 minutes isn't great football. Great football is end-to-end, not clinical and sterile.

never understood the hype about this guy

>inherit arguably the best squad of all time with iniesta, xavi, busquets and messi
>predictably win everything, just like Spain did with the same players -messi
>gets out-maneuvered by Jose, loses the league (somehow, against all odds, what a fucking idiot) and quits for Germany
>leaves Bayern Munich in a considerably worse position than when he arrived
>joins yet another moneyball club where he can't possibly lose and somehow STILL fails to win the league in his first season

i think you're pretty retarded if you consider him a top 10 manager in the world

the football his teams play is shit too, barcelona 08-10 while effective were mind numbing to watch, dull dull dull.

It's not his fault that teams park the bus and refuse to press against them. That's what creates "sterile" football.

We obviously have differing goalposts on this issue though so I'll agree to disagree.

You can't press a team which dives without repercussion when you get within 5 feet of them

after watching City last season and comparing them to this year I’m a 100% certain he is doping the shit out of his players.
Plus the mandatory half a billion throwing shit on the wall until something sticks spending ‘tactics’.

Tiki-taka was the poor man’s Wenger-ball. Arsenal were doing that way before Guardiola started managing

yes. buy big win small.

What happens if you press against Pep? They pass the ball around you easily, they push even deeper, and they score.

>mou
>champions leagues with porto and inter milan

>pep
>nothing with buyern or $hitty

Yes. Anyone who can make sterlel look decent is a magician.

These players aren't that good though or they would have been doing that for years

>inherit arguably the best squad of all time with iniesta, xavi, busquets and messi
>busquets

Imagine if Bellichek were allowed to gut an underachieving Pats and rebuild it with unlimited money for the best players across the entire NFL. Would you still respect him for blowing the league away?

This t bh. Guardiola can spend whatever he wants, only Man City and Man Ure can afford that in the EPL. Any average manager can orchestrate great football and dominate a league if he has unlimited resources, just like Emery with P$G.

i coach my local u14s and we are undefeated in 6 games

imagine bellichek constantly cheating...

>le roll the ball out to xavi/iniesta/messi man
>le roll the bal out to WC winning german NT man
>le roll the ball out to 99999 billion dollar oil money man
no thanks
win something without a huge advantage first

t. Jose

The first bit isn't even a good argument.

That said, I would love to see PSG and City implode. How they can skirt around FFP is ridiculous. Mourinho has a point, but he shouldn't be the one calling the kettle black

go to bed mouyes

there's nothing else to do at the lowry

Not even Man United can do what City are doing with their spending and it's frustrating that people don't understand this.

If United spend £60 mill on a player and pay them £300k a week that is a SERIOUS outlay for the club.

They can only afford to pay so many players that wage, so it takes away a spot of another player and if the player flops they are stuck with them. If they try to sell them, they will not be able to unless they give them away because no other club will be able to handle their wage demands.

It also causes wage inflation

>Martial on X
>Pogba on Y
>Martial now wants Y
etc.

Within 2-3 years you will quickly find your total wage bill doubling or tripling. Which is an absolutely eye-watering increase and there's no going back, it's only going to increase with better players coming in future.

City on the other hand, don't give a fuck about wages, don't give a fuck about how many players they have on their books, or how many players are on 300k and never play a single minute, and don't give a fuck about releasing players on frees or paying off their contracts so they can join other clubs.

The difference is so significant, it's almost like the difference between Manchester United and a Championship club. It's that vast.

But never mind all that, let's just greentext >200 mill spent >75mill on Lukaku >86 mill on Pogba etc. etc. right lads?

Also, it's a tad bit easier for City to take a punt on a £40 million unknown kid from Brazil (Jesus) and hope he adapts to England when they already have a couple of world class forwards on their books compared to United who need to ensure that their signing will work in the PL (Lukaku).

Especially easier when they know if it doesn't work out they can just try again with another £40-60 million punt....

Literally no City player is on £300k pw. Aguero and Toure are on about £250k.

Seething.

Your point is what, exactly?

1. You have no way of proving this. Papers were reporting Toure was on 250k two contracts ago so I'm pretty sure he's negotiated an increase since then.
2. It has next to nothing to do with anything I just said.

Players go to city because they pay the best. It's not a secret. Nobody is going to City because they were fans as young lads in the streets of Rio..

That it's dumb to do press them. Obviously.

don't you know that aguero and silva were both city fans as lads? loads of pictures with them in city shirts with Summerbee's name and number on the backs of them.

they used to dream of making the trip to main road to watch their heros play

This was for

Opposed to only defending your own 1/3 of the pitch and inviting them to litter your goal with shots?

How would you deal with City then?

>falcao (£265k pw @)
>di maria (£280k pw @ £60m)
>rooney (£300k pw)
>gambling £50mil on literal who martial
meanwhile aguero (240k pw) is citys highest paid player and de bruyne (£55m) is city's most expensive player ever
>hurr durr like united vs championship

none of those players play for united anymore mate

here are the up to date figures btw since yours are clearly made up

>stones 500k
>walker 500k
>toure 700k
>di brian 500k
>jesus 1 million per week

>martial 70k
>rashford £500
>de gea plays for free

I can verify these figures. I work for Natwest in Manchester and all the players have bank accounts with us

> he wont sub a star for a cb to hold a league
Except when he subbed aguero (?) For mangala to push Fernandinho back into a holding role from cb after kompany went off.

Also i agree 100% with the rest of the post

i work for both man city and man united in the wages department and personally make the payments for each player every week so mine are confirmed

Pep is legitimately a good league manager. He always has been, even before the barca gig. I understand his reliance on good midfielders, as you can make a midfielder fill in just about any role on the field. Unless other teams begin spending as much as he and City have, he will continue to win the league and even last season he ended off with a pretty high expected goals ratio. With that said, no, he does not have the sport fully figured out, he is just a very autistic manager who is good at what he does.

I cant wait for him to play PSG/Real in the CL I reckon they've got the belief tactics and quality now to have a real decent go at it. I mean Napoli were no Bayern but they were a very tough side in credible form.

When Guardiola is able to win the league like Ranieri or Wenger did, without spending hundreds of millions and buying the best players from other clubs in the same league, then I may rate him

But thats wrong. He came as a nobody to Barca, and implemented Cruyffs total football 2.0, turned xavi iniesta messi into the best, brought in busquets pedro and pique etc from the academy.

Went to Bayern and built a domestic dynasty breaking records against some good teams while being somewhat unlucky in the CL.

Now at City filled their holes, turned them into a butt hole clemch team that lost heaps of leads to a team thats just broken records and dominated the entire EPL and made them into a team where he's gotten the best out of delph otamendi stweling sane de bruyne at a point where they're now contenders for the CL.

He breaks records, he makes good signings, he develops players and does it in an entertaining way and he hasnt had it as easy as you make out so what more could you want from a manager at top clubs?

>mfw the colonies understand association football better than the home countries

No wonder English national team is ded

This is the most retarded shit I've ever read. Thought for sure it would have been an American flag. Must just be a FIFA obsessed faggot.

m8, he literally had greatness at every club just sitting waiting for him

and unlimited funds to go out and buy literally anyone in the entire world he wanted to

>unlucky in the CL
no, he wasn't 'unlucky' he just failed. he couldn't fail to win the german league because it's literally a one team league and they just hoover up all the best players in the country

>implemented Cruyff's total football
m8, do you even know what that is? it's the philosophy that every player in the pitch can play every role on the pitch. that's not what barcelona were at all. he didn't really do much, the team picked itself, he was gifted the greatest footballer to ever play the game and it would take a monkey for that NOT to work

He's not a terrible manager by any means, just not 'great' plenty better than him. as many as 10 i'd say

Man city Dutch poster, never change

These guys have your answer: Guardiola was caught doping in 2001. He had high levels (like 6 times the legal limit) of the anabolic steroid nandrolone in 2 separate urine tests. He was fined and handed a 4 month ban. He appealed the decision 3 times. The first 2 appeals were refused.

His first appeal involved getting his doctor to testify that his vitamin supplements might have been contaminated. His doctor's explanation for this was that he would source uncertified raw materials from random suppliers depending on market availability for the vitamin supplements and that these supplements may have 'inadvertently' been contaminated during that process. This argument didn't hold up but Guardiola would nevertheless appoint this man Barcelona's club doctor in 2009.

His second appeal involved getting some sketchy doctors (one of whom had allegedly given players phentermine and Micoren) to argue that he had an endocrinological disorder that naturally produced excess levels of nandrolone. This was rejected as well.

His third appeal was based on new medical evidence that suggested that nandrolone levels can show up at inflated rates in urine samples 0.1%-0.01% of the time (so-called unstable urine). Pep successfully argued that this cast enough doubt on the urine samples used in his drug test to clear his name.

Maybe it's his amazing coaching techniques that have the City players faster, stronger and sharper than they were last year. Or maybe ol' Pep is back to his old tricks.

fucking everton took points off them this season and everton are shite

this is from an evertonian

Is this why the Munich Dr. left under Pep? He refused to implement Pep's doping schedule?

So pep is steroiding them

Too much focus on the man's pee m8
But fundamentally I agree with you, it would be glorious if one day the truth is uncovered and forever tarnish barca/Pep/city

>sign Falcao
>don't like him
>sign Di Maria
>don't like him
>Sign Mkhitaryan
>about to don't like him
United are literally the kings of wasteful spending

United weren't mentioned in that post, chap.

>Now at City filled their holes
and for that they are so so happy

this seems bloody likely

>Abu dhabi
>global oppressors
Britain is has more of a claim to that g

>United weren't mentioned
I think you'll find that their manager was liberally quoted, m8

You must be one of those dumbfucks who say CL winners from 3 years ago would lose to teams like Malaga because the game is "rapidly evolving"

It's scary how little we know about the different 'medical' techniques the top clubs use to get an edge. Tottenham let it slip that they do blood-spinning a couple of years back:

telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10512393/Tottenham-use-controversial-blood-spinning-technique-to-hasten-injured-players-recovery.html

I haven't heard any other club admit that they do this shit. We don't know if everyone does it, if some clubs do it, or if nobody does it anymore.

But what if all the top clubs do it except for (let's say) Arsenal? What if this is the reason that Arsenal have a comparatively poor fitness record and are far less physically dominant than they were in the early 00s? Wouldn't this completely change the way we look at them and Arsene Wenger?

It's a weird one really. To what extent are the differences at the top to do with coaching and to what extent are they to do with the successful exploitation of medical gray areas? We don't really know.

>pep brought Pique and Biscuits from the academy

>implemented Cruyffs total footbal 2.0
Lord, what a meme
Go luck Rijkaards Barcelona. He didnt invent shit. He continued playing the same stacked team and stacked it even more with the likes of Alves, Henry, Ibrahimovic, Etoo, Villa. Its disgusting the level of underage casuals around here.

>Guardiolel signed Eto'o

Eto'o signed for Barcelona in 2004, years before le blank check man arrived