Religiontards claim religion is necessary for people not killing and robbing each other

>religiontards claim religion is necessary for people not killing and robbing each other
>Japan and Iceland, the least religious countries on this planet, have lower crime rates than all christian nations

wew

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They are religious to the bone.

japan is pretty criminal though

iceland is the most atheistic country in the world.

You burned that strawman greatly fedora. What other ones you got from your echo chambers?

Give some other organized effort to make people moral and I'll agree with you.

They have a state church which hold an incredible amount of power in the government, their flag is a cross, and if you walk around reykjavik you'll see large beautiful churches on every block.

>Japan
>Not religious

Japan is deeply religious just not in the traditional way. Shintoism is just appreciating everything around you and occasional shrine visits.

Japan and Iceland also happen to be extremely isolated, especially so in the case of Iceland.

Purely coincidental, right?

0/10 I replied but Im also at work being paid so you still lose.

>christian nations have high crime rates because of the drug trade
>Denmark, a very atheist country, has major child porn problems
>>> r/atheism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto
>Shinto is the largest religion in Japan, practiced by nearly 80% of the population
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland#Religion
>Around 84% of them are christian

Secularism =/= Irreligious

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>atheistards claim religion is responsible for people killing and robbing each other
>Stalin and Mao existed

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I once toured a Japanese prison near the US naval base there. It was...very clean....very quiet...and there was a big compound where we weren't allowed to go, that was topped with broken glass. "Oh, that's for people awaiting trial".

The Japanese have a looong tradition of brutal law enforcement, as I'm sure you're already aware.

But as for religion vis-a-vis low crime rates; religion is simply the principle by which people establish their morality. I'm actually very interested in where so-called atheists get their moral foundations.

The population is almost entirely atheist.
also Shinto religion in japan is purely superstition-based and it hold no moral or ethic values.

Pro tip: crime is directly correlated to the number of niggers and spics

>I'm actually very interested in where so-called atheists get their moral foundations.
Same as anyone else, through good raising and a healthy environment?
Religion is indeed a great element to keep cohesion among the population, but to say it's needed for moral foundation it's just wrong.

>Atheists really think these countries aren't religious

Stop embarassing us. Unless you understand Atheistic philosophy stop trying to make these cringey, reddit tier arguments because you personally dislike religious people.

Shintoism is just the Japanese version of animism and most Japanese people today don't actively practice it.

This. Japan and Iceland are among the world's most secular countries, but they are not the world's most atheistic countries.

They didn't kill for atheism (There is nothing in atheism that tells you to go kills "infidels"). They killed because they were paranoid cunts.

we get it the same place you do, parents, peers and exposure to the world (media, internet)

the only difference is we later use our own reasoning and logic to change these beliefs/morals as we mature. Atheists who had atheist parents do the same except they start without a handicap.

Which philosophy? It is literally not believing in gods. There is nothing else.

Stop the self loathing, Juan.

You apparently don't know much of shintoism nor zen buddhism.

People too dumb to figure morality out for themselves need religion. For instance whites.

Maybe they killed because there is nothing in atheism telling them not to.

Holy fuck are you trying to be Australia lite? You didn't even attempt to address to points made, you just ignored them and moved on to your rhetoric.
If they are almost entirely atheistic then why do they bother to have a state church that holds an incredible amount of power in government if only a small minority of the population are members of it?
The flag, architecture, traditions, and history being 100% undoubtedly based on and formed by Christian principles directly counter the statement that it's the most atheistic country in the world. Their culture could change to majority atheism someday, but they are not close to that right now.
It also counters fedora's implications that atheistic societies can have peace, prosperity, and moral foundations on their own when the very example given only gives more strength to Christianity being the foundation that leads to these things instead.

Again, atheism is not a philosophy of life. You have to select one. Besides, there is a natural instinct not to kill. These people had fucked up childhoods and became crazy as a result.

Guess why they have lower crime rates?

Homogeneity

culture does not degrade based on an intuitive sense that deities do not manifest themselves to us. once you realize this (quaint) nugget of knowledge you'd see that there's much more to it's underlying philosophy. foundational, even.

>religiontards claim religion is necessary for people not killing and robbing each other
Strawman argument

>I'm actually very interested in where so-called atheists get their moral foundations.

Kant solved this 230 years ago

it's called the categorical imperative

Wait... i am atheist. What are you?

Circular reasoning 101 guys.
>Parents raising their kids
And where do they get THEIR foundation? Their parents. Where do THOSE parents get it? Both of you included this in your answers and this answer is literally worthless.

>environment, media, internet
Gee, and it's not like these things can vary at all in tremendously irreconcilable ways. If your moral foundation is the environment in downtown chicago, philadelphia, the jew-owned media, and websites like salon, jezebel then this 'foundation' will tell them that imprisoning and discriminating against straight while males is okay because they are oppressors. It's relative. A FOUNDATION can't be that relative if it is going to peacefully coexist with other foundations.

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I'm an atheist too, but this is a stupid argument. Correlation=/=causality. Japan was about as religious during the second World War, when they were raping and killing Chinks, as they are now.

>Believing in the categorical imperative.
>Not believing in utilitarianism.
Huesil, please

Athiesm is firmly rooted in the belief that there is no higher power.
It is not synonymous with science, it's a teligion in itself.

wtf I hate church now.....................

Can anyone argue with this?

youtube.com/watch?v=VgHoyTvyh4o

Thought not.

utilitarianism gives way to the blasé behavior that plagues urban civilization

you should know it as I do because we live in third world shithole countries were we can pass a body on the street on our way to work and not give a single shit about it

>Where do THOSE parents get it?
From the culture/society/people/environment they were raised in?
>A FOUNDATION can't be that relative if it is going to peacefully coexist with other foundations.
So islam telling its followers to behead infidels is not a foundation because it's too different from what you believe?

Let's say you were right, then why is that the americas are so damn violent, with a higher murder rate than fucking africa, if we are so religious? My country is 95% christian, do you think it's even remotely peaceful?

>Adding ideas to your philosophy makes the ideas inherently bad.
>1.Be vegan.
>2.Kill thousands of people in the name of veganism, even though veganism is literally not eating animal products and doesn't command you to kill people.
>?
>4.Profit
Great picture (And logic), burger.

Dawkins literally doesn't know the Bible. He is talking out of his ass. Bring kind to animals isn't in the Bible? God said told humans to take care and be stewards of the earth.and there are plenty examples of strong women in the Bible.

Atheism is literally lack of belief. Logic supports lack of belief if the belief lacks evidence. You only have a problem with this when it comes to religion.

I didn't say it was science, did i? Research the meaning of religion, burgerfat.

Reason will prevail!: The meme

He never posits any kind of morality, does he?

Religious moral code came from what humanity was already doing, not the other way around. Early humans mostly 'loved their neighbour' because they were more likely to survive if they worked together rather than fighting everyone they came across. Organised religion just codified in writing practices that were already prevalent.

Why are Americans so stupid.

"Strong women" is different to "women with rights", isn't it? God killed thousands, when he could just... you know... use his infinite powers to find another way.

>implying the progression of morality didn't happen in the context of the church.

Why is Dawkin's so fedora?

>Japan
>Not religious

you don't understand Japan. They are very religious but their religion is Zen Buddhism, usually. That means their religion doesn't interfere with their day-to-day life like the self-chastising Muslims, Jews, or Christians.

Your moral foundation comes from a book that tells ppl to kill their neighbors if they're wearing two different types of cloth. So yeah...

Those are not utilitarians, they are ignorant cunts. Utilitarians realize that if society is o.k. they will benefit much more.

What's the other way? God only killed people who were so beyond saving and as mercy for others.

Can you list when someone was killed for wearing two separate cloths?

Daily reminder that this is what theists actually believe.

>Why are Americans so stupid.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

>Beyond saving.
Omnipotent: (Of a deity) having unlimited power:

It is nice that you admit that God is just a weak ass cunt, like all of us.

Christianity is growing fast in Japan and China.

Haha you didn't list another way.

I can list you when someone was killed for being an heretic or an infidel.

Maybe that's because irreligious people tend to be more educated. Both these countries have high rankings on tops regarding education and quality of life.

State church, churches or the flag mean nothing.

List them, then. And I'll explain why it was justified.

Fact: You can't be religious and still call yourself 'red-pilled'.

I am not omnipotent. Nevertheless, let's imagine that he ... idk ... talked to the egiptians instead of the jews, or teleport the jews out of Egypt, or freeze the egiptians for a little bit, or make the jews fly, or....

This. I went to a church in Alabama and half the white ppl there couldn't spell antitheist.

>I don't understand their Japanese religion so they don't have a religion and thus can be used as examples to push my narrative

>Except Japan needs more immigrants

Wew

Ok, keep lying to yourself when someone showed you it's clearly otherwise. LOL

Hey guys, I found the atheists' paradise!

Can you list proof of G-d?

>red-pilled
kek I didn't know that the rednecks are that stupid

So you want God to do magic tricks? And He did talk to the Egyptians.

The albigensian crusade, justified by the catholic church. Including the Pope (Supposedly God's representative on earth).

Just from miracles my family has experienced. And legitimate miracles, not "OMG it's a miracle I found my car keys" shit

yes but religion prevents women from masturbating their robotic sons. :^)

Hmmmm I wonder why you guys are so opposed to religion or what I have to say

I'm not Catholic, and it's a stretch to think Catholics even follow the Bible. They are almost as bad as Muslims when it comes to blind obedience to the church.

I have some articles and videos and also I can give you the name of a Rabbi whos specialty is in proving God. (You can type God) but it has to be worth my time to post it.

meme magic

>Separating the ocean is not a magic trick.
No egyptians get killed by my ways, and less suffering for the jews. but o.k.

But japanese are a religious bunch

They have this religious devotion to things like the will of fire from konoha, the power of friendship, the power of love, the heart of courage that can accomplish everything

And if they're about to lose something then this hidden powet is unleashed through some ancient energy based demon or rage and they get all fucked up after they won and learn that victory by hate and rage is bad

Religion m8

Quick question, do you support abortion?

>Japan
>not religious
whatever you say , they believe in shit like fortune telling with blood type, I've been there and religion is so enterwined in their daily life its practically a state religion

>Rabbi

>The complete destruction of the Canaanites. I thought genocide is a crime.

>Logic supports lack of belief if the belief lacks evidence
Proof?

Boobs change a man to the beast.

ITT: OP doesn't know the difference between Secularism and Atheism.

Japan and Iceland are mono-ethnic and mono-cultural as fuck.

The Canaanites were so evil and far from saving, so God did what He had to do

biblehub.com/2_peter/3-3.htm
3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

>Are you implying that if i tell you something without evidence you would believe?
Also, your own need of proof is a proof, i hope do you realize that, my burger friend.

>Quick question, does going for another subject is a thing you usually do?

I want to know, because I'm sure you have conditions where you support killing others.

>christianity
>religion of peace

So your logical proof is an appeal to emotion?

>Why were they so evil?
>Even children are evil?
>God can't save them, God is unable to do something, ergo God is weak.
God is a cunt, the germans and the japanese did worse things than the canaanites ever did, and God didn't do shit. Ergo, god is hypocritical.

>Genocide is good when a very powerful being does it.
Funny that atheists are supposedly the amoral ones

i dont think you understand what a strawman is

Why can't Eurofags understand that fewer niggers = less crime when they use these nations as shining examples of being low-crime? Stop being in denial, for shit's sake.

Two nukes weren't enough for you?

And anyway what is your evidential basis for "genocide is bad?" Are you aware that's been programmed into you?

You know those videos of torture that pop up on Sup Forums? Well, picture that was the norm in Canaan, and child sacrifice was rampant. And no, the children weren't evil, but it would be cruel to kill their parents and leave the kids deserted. God killed them quickly and painlessly. Just like falling asleep