Return to the Catholic Church. Do it now

Return to the Catholic Church. Do it now.

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I will not join the catholic church, if anything I would join the orthodox church

I am reformed anyway

I want to, but it's hard to justify with a Marxist running the show.

Fk no.

But I am already Catholic ameribro

I have but I hate the Pope.

Don't make me smash your trinkets again, pedo scum.

This. I will only join provided the Catholic Church goes full Deus Vult. Otherwise, I'm quite content being a filthy Anglican.

>be Dutch
>lose clay to slimy, francophone Catholics

Orthodox here. That's right, return to the ONE ORTHODOX CATHOLIC HOLY APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

;)

Im happy being a protestant.
Hey, but at least we dont kill each other like those stupid muslim sand niggers.

>be american
>in the process of losing clay to slimy, democrat-voting mexicans
Clay you once took from them no less.

The age of Christendom is over. Embrace the Cult of Kek.

Sure thing. Catholic church! Best time right now.

>implying I was ever Catholic

...

I can't take the Catholic church seriously or the Vatican after the Benedict/Francis switcheroo and the Pope taking in muslim rapefugees and totally ignoring the christian ones. Something stinks here.

>losing clay
It's not clay that's at stake, Cornelis, only demographics, which is arguably worse.
America will be Brazil-tier in a hundred years.

Is Kek the personification of the Aeon of Horus? Was Crowley right all along?

I'm Orthodox but I confess sometimes I wish I was Catholic because I'm Hispanic and there aren't many of us in the Orthodox Church.

>Return to the Catholic Church. Do it now.
No thanks, christ-pedoes.

what kind of hispanic?

already am

You have to go back, Gonzalo.

Tejano

>Vatican 2.0

no thanks

I have a pro tip to you. See this guy? It's John XII. He was a pope in the end of X century, the end of pornocracy peroid in the history of Church. Let's see what he did:
>Fucked both women and men in the papal palace, rapes included
>Also fucked on the graves os Saint Peter and Paul
>He made a ten year old a cardinal
>Fucked his niece
>Made a papal palcae a borthel
>Castrated and killed cardinal
>Binding and then murdering his confessor
>Raising a toast for the devil and recall pagan deities during playing dice
>The refusal to make the sign of the cross
Et cetera et cetera. He was ovethrown by Otton I but buy bunch of mercenaries and take a papal throne again. Otton was pissed off and go to Rome but John was alredy dead by then. Probably killed by one of guys that he cucked but by time he was dead evryone agred that Satan himself come and killed him.

And gusses what? We survive him. So until Francics (personaly I do not like him too anyway) go with the full blown heresy don't you dare say that you do not want fulfill the Truth only becouse Holy Spirit punished us with this argentine.
>Orthodoxy
>One
>Catholic
Kekd

>having priests pray toward Mecca
>not heresy
Francis has betrayed the Church. I will not assign my loyalty to a Marxist fool.

I'm rather un-devoted to Christianity as a whole. A faithful man, but it's lacking. I am looking for a place of worship. Do I go Unity or Eastern Orthodox?

raconte ton histoire mon frère

>Believing in an occult.
ccel.org/ccel/alexander_a/canon.iii.v.html
youtube.com/watch?v=8xLg2QlEpH8

join us in Orthodoxy instead

How coud we "return" to a newly-created heresy?

I'm already a reformed catholic

Nigga there's no turning back. We can only go forward and learn from mistakes, the catholic church being one of them

He'll no. The pope went after trump and said the muslim rapists should be let in and their culture is compatible.

As an ex catholic, I'm all for turning the other cheek, but I only have 2 cheeks. If islam is going to keep fucking up, if the fucking pope isnt going to support his religion in favor of a religion and people that want us dead, if a pope will sit behind his walls and suggest that only the Vatican and isreal need walls, then I will leave. This pope has proven he is the false pope. The "anti" pope of the orthodox chuch, the patriarch, has my support. Hell the patriarch supports trump and putin, the patriarch wants islam out of the west, the patriarch wants the holy land to belong to the jews and christians and not the muslims, the patriarch still demands we return to values. Even if you're a woman on here (god only knows why) these next few years will determine whether you stay in a western society that SHOULD demand more male-dominated politics, or fOllie the feminist view of giving all power to islam, become a female slave of your new muslim owners.

The Catholic Church has fallen to evil, and although they did so by trying to stay relevant and socially acceptable, they forget that the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Pedophiles, Homosexuals, muslim rapists, over entitled women, cucks, and anti-white racists sympathizers have claimed the Catholic church now. We now a few options: reclaim the church, forego the church, join a new church, become autistic (read: atheists), or watch the world burn.

To be honest... I'm at a loss, and I admit I have no answers. I pray every night that some how I will know the answer, yet I hear nothing. Perhaps there is no God, and if there is, then he wishes us to suffer. Hopefully, if God exists, he will help us overcome the immense evil that fulls the moder religions of earth.

>having priests pray toward Mecca
What. When? Do you meanad orientem or something else?
> I will not assign my loyalty to a Marxist fool.
You do not. You can listen to him only when he speak ex cathedra if you want. I do.
>Francis has betrayed the Church.
But this not change the fact that THE Church exist and is the Body of Chirst.

Come be a Quaker friend
Truly it is the best denomination

Praise KeK

this

bbb...but muh science and muh dick!

You must bare the storm my friend. Soon the papacy will be restored to its former glory. All the priests at my local church are already throwing subtle jabs at Francis. You must have faith

Give your bodies to Atom, my friends. Release yourself to his power, feel his Glow and be Divided

I wish but the false pope is destined to destroy the church. It's hard to get more false than supporting islam, a sworn enemy of our church.

see The church has had a long history and has endured worse. No matter what happens in the short term the church will always rejuvenate itself

Yea, your suffering shall exist no longer; it shall be washed away in Atom's Glow, burned from you in the fire of his brilliance

>Believing in a meme religion
>thinking the meme religion would do you any good.

To the Catholics in this thread:

Convince me to join your Church. As I have read in Matthew 23, Christ condemns the Pharisees and religious leaders of the time for excessive extravagance and ceremonial celebration in their worship. He also instructs his disciples to pray directly to the Father in privacy, as written in Matthew 6.

Explain how your church has not been corrupted, and convince me to join.

Return to old Gods. Do it now.

>see flag
>autistic post

as expected

>spouting pagan nonsense

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I'll convert because my wife is catholic and she wants to marry in the church, but if not for that I wouldn't touch it with a 6-foot pole.

I'd much rather convert to the orthodox church.

I'd prefer to follow talos if I decide to follow a video game god. At least he took over the world in the name of the decent humans.

I have a feeling trump will be earths version of talos. If he wins, and says we Can, I wI'll spend my life hunting degenerate terrorists like islam and BLM

Time to stop.

Each of us shall give birth to a billion stars formed from the mass of our wretched and filthy bodies

Gee, that totally doesn't remind me of ISIS.
>abrahamic monotheists
>colonialists of Evropa
pic two

>my wife
my fiancée*

Can I join the secret order of Vampire and Demon hunters?

Chopping down trees=suicide bombing, mass murder, invasions and etc.
Yes, I see the resemblance.

There were invasions, crusades against white Europeans and mass murder though. And now the Church allies with their Islamic friends against white Europe. Very fitting. All semtic religions are cancer.

No, join The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus.

hold on right there buddy, join us

people should worship their ancestral Gods, not some jewish desert dweller.

No chance. Catholic born and raised here. The hypocrisy of the institution is just too much to bear:
- no contraception (helps the world spread of AIDS and STDs by having an unrealistic, denial-based attitude to human sexuality)
- is anti-gay (promotes hatred and violence)
- accumulates ridiculous amounts of wealth, gold, and opulence while claiming to be a religion of the poor and abject (just check out the Vatican)
- refuses to give women positions other than that of a refugee mother 2000 years ago
- contains some fucking ridiculous and contradictory theology (transubstantiation v. consubstantiation, anyone? Or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?)
- provides a home for hateful bigots who want respect while maintaining their prejudices
- makes false claims to moral superiority while at the same time being a vehicle for missionary work, colonization, and the destruction of other cultures and religions
- actively supports child sexual abuse by priests around the world by refusing to treat offenders as criminals and by shuffling them around instead to access fresh batches of children in new parishes
- has some pretty good music, art, and architecture
- is not bad for weddings and funerals, but not essential.

I'm done with this bullshit. I don't think Catholicism has a place in modern, Western educated countries and doubt it will exist in these places in 200 years. It'll be like the pre-Roman pagan polytheisms -- cute, but now completely irrelevant.

Nope, proud protestant

This man speaks the truth

Proud Orthodox, I will never join your stupid heresy.

Or what? I'd rather have the research that the protestants have done to validate the entire bible.

What's wrong, papist? Feeling the bleedout from millions of people realizing your church is a cult?

>It'll be like the pre-Roman pagan polytheisms

No clue why you can't see it never changed from this.

Allready did

>implying I'm not already a catholic

Stay mad with your minority majority youth because in Europe it's not the case

The changes in the Douay-Rheims are nothing short of blasphemy.

A Jesuit taking St. Francis's name as Pontiff --- cmon son.

This.

More like an oath-breaking black pope pushing out a white nazi pope.

You'll need to explain. I'm not sure what your pronouns are doing.

Pre-Roman pagan polytheisms = Babylon
Roman Catholic Church = Babylon

It's the same monster.

I didn't leave the catholic church, it left me when it decided to cover up for paedophiles and elect a communist rapefugee fan.

That clarifies. I'm thinking of very different examples. Celtic and Anglo-Saxon religion was based on many gods that were basically forms of animism that were used to anchor stories about codes of heroism, valor, retribution, and the central values that made such primitive societies function. As political stability and larger networks of trade arrived, it made more sense to replace these with a large-scale monotheism that allowed church and state to intersect. My simple observation is that this need is no longer present in Western developed societies, largely because the state has shown to be impeded by the power of the Catholic Church. It represents inflexibility, injustice, and self-interest that obstructs the goals of a modern secular state and its legal systems.

And yes, I've studied plenty of the sociology of religion and know the counter-argument from Hans Blumenberg and his followers about political theology and the hollowed-out shell of religion being carried into the present, but I think it's undeniable that in the most advanced, educated, and wealthy countries, Catholicism is being proven to be completely dispensable and even to be an obstacle to just societies and the rewards of modernity.

But you were okay with the Holocaust and hiding Nazi war criminals in monasteries in South America.

If you're interested enough, you can trace the origins of every single pagan culture back to Babylon. They all started in Babylon.

It's always been Babylon v Jerusalem.

But make no mistake; the false prophet of Mystery Babylon, this black pope, will unite the world under one common religion, declare the Antichrist to be the Christ, and declare war on the heavens themselves.

The world has been saturated by naturalism and rationalism and atheism; it is helpless in the face of clearly supernatural events.

And Pandora's Box is just now being opened. If you did not see it, look for the Swiss celebration of their tunnel being finished.

It is as pagan as pagan can pagan.

This sounds like quite a crackpot theory and is completely contradicted by archaeological evidence about movement of peoples in Europe.
"Cro-Magnons (the first anatomically modern humans in Europe) are believed to have arrived in Europe about 40,000 years ago.[7] They are known to have had a presence in the geographical region that was to become Great Britain by 33,000 years before present (BP) due to the discovery of the skeletal remains of the "Red Lady of Paviland".[8] This is actually the skeleton (lacking the skull) of a young man of the Aurignacian culture, and may be the oldest, modern, human remains yet discovered in Great Britain and Ireland." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_settlement_of_the_British_Isles

Are you getting this from an unusual book or did you make it up yourself? Or are you off your meds. You really don't make sense.

looks live you've been fully brainwashed by feminists and Jews.
>No contraception
Wouldn't be a problem if you just stopped fucking niggers
>anti-gay
Have you ever been to a pride parade. Gays going to burn.
>Accumulates wealth
Better than it being in the hands of Jews
>refuses to induct women in to the patriarchy
women fuck shit up. Read up on the "Assembly of Women"
>contains a sophisticated theology
It could help if you could read past a highschooler's level
>free speech
free speech.
>moral superiority
Its the white man's burden
>supports child abuse
less abuse occurs in the Catholic Church than your average school
>good taste
as always
>good for weddings
Its the Church that protects the sanctity of marriage

Have fun being thrown off a cliff by Muslims and watch your daughter descend into degeneracy by this secular society.

No, I refuse to worship Allah.

>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.

>But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

Thanks for trying.

>Wouldn't be a problem if you just stopped fucking niggers
You failed on contraception. Humans like sex. The Catholic Church pretends they don't or shouldn't, so argues for no contraception. Reality denial fails, so STDs and pointless pregnancies spread massively. This is one of the church's worst failings. Don't you agree?

>Have you ever been to a pride parade. Gays going to burn.
I'm not gay but not anti-gay. Some people are gay. It seems biological and exists in all human cultures. I don't give a fuck, but there's no point in killing faggots.

>Better than it being in the hands of Jews
So Catholics are the new Jews? Nice one.

>women fuck shit up. Read up on the "Assembly of Women"
You mean Aristophanes? He's fucking hilarious on gender politics. He pokes fun at everyone. Lysistrata is great when the women withhold sex from the men.

>It could help if you could read past a highschooler's level
PhD here, faggot.

>Its the white man's burden
Referencing Kipling is no argument. Proven by the faggotry of his Barrack-Room Ballads (and read them if you don't known them).

>less abuse occurs in the Catholic Church than your average school
Doubt it (and not at my Catholic school, where there's currently an abuse scandal being sorted out). But anyway, "we endorse slightly less child abuse than our neighbors" is no argument.

I'd enjoy attempted rebuttal with sources and without ad hominem.

You haven't made any good arguments against being a Catholic. You have stated a series of falsehoods and your points are based on the tu quoque fallacy.

I want to but i dont know if my family would go for it. Especialy with the current pope.

Orthodox Catholic is the teaching of the 12 apostles who followed Jesus.

the whole discussion is pointless

catholic.com/ find a topic and read.

>The Catholic Church pretends they don't or shouldn't, so argues for no contraception

This isn't true. They believe sex should be a sacred act between husband and wife. This meme needs to stop

Sure, now what do we do with the $(CURRENT_YEAR) mass? Too much dancey, too much "happy" music, if you get the gist. It is a fucking cringe show.

>Promotes the spread of STDs
>Promotes child abuse
>Destroys other cultures
These are all bad things and each is an argument. In addition, this is not a tu quoque fallacy. It's pointing out overt hypocrisy, which absolutely is not the same thing as this fallacy. Philosophy major here and I'm not accepting the improper use of a fallacy accusation, user. Don't be sloppy.

People need to realize the difference between religion and evangelion.

Jesus never asked anyone to join child-molesting clubs.

Do you even know the Papal Encyclical Humanae Vitae of 1968?
"Similarly excluded is any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation—whether as an end or as a means."
w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae.html

Please, user.

Catholics like to claim they are the Early church, how do you explain these clearly Protestant beliefs from the Fathers then?

"The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth. St. Athanasius (Against the Heathen, I:3)

"Regarding the things I say, I should supply even the proofs, so I will not seem to rely on my own opinions, but rather, prove them with Scripture, so that the matter will remain certain and steadfast." St. John Chrysostom (Homily 8
On Repentance and the Church, p. 118, vol. 96 TFOTC)

"Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words." St. Gregory of Nyssa (On the Holy Trinity, NPNF, p. 327).

"We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of the Scripture." St. Basil the Great (On the Holy Spirit, Chapter 7, par. 16)

"For you believe the faith; why then do you add other things, as if faith were not sufficient to justify? You make yourselves captive, and you subject yourself to the law." - St. John Chrysostom (Epistle to Titus, Homily 3, PG 62.651)

"Human beings can be saved from the ancient serpent in no other way than by believing in him who, when he was raised up from the earth on the tree of martyrdom in the likeness of sinful flesh, drew all things to himself and gave life to the dead." - Irenaeus (Against the Heresies, IV, 2, 7).

"Similarly we also, who by His will have been called in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, or our own wisdom or understanding or godliness, nor by such deeds as we have done in holiness of heart, but by that faith through which Almighty God has justified all men since the beginning of time. Glory be to Him, forever and ever, Amen." - St. Clement of Rome (Letter to the Corinthians, par. 32)

Clearly the Fathers believed tradition must be subject to scripture and in sola fide.

Them conical and cylindrical pipe organs?

>Nobody asked for dem feels

You are rejecting the precepts of Catholicism because you have identified instances where members of the church did not live up to its moral standards. This is a tu quoque fallacy.

What you are saying elsewhere is that Africans are not responsible for their own choices when they posit sexual acts. This is untrue. You are just looking for excuses to misbehave and act permissively. You are unwilling to conform yourself with God's law.

>hiding Nazi war criminals
When was this?
You do now the nazis rightly attacked the Catholic church?

*know