Jared Taylor

Can someone point me to a debate/discussion where Jared Taylor is pitted against someone who can cite facts and form proper arguments?

He's got a unique worldview and want to hear some counter-points to it. The problem is literally every video on YouTube, his opponent will attack his character, construct strawmen, use anecdotal evidence and/or grandstand to the audience instead of engaging his arguments.

eg. Cenk Uyger of The Young Turks: youtube.com/watch?v=cCCE2aSmxUk
>insinuates Taylor supports ethnic cleansing
>insinuates white supremacy
>calls him stupid
>calls him an idiot
>misrepresents Taylor's views after he hangs up

They all end up like this. Even "The Great Debate" at KSU a few months ago, the black Ph.D touting professor addresses none of his points and pretty much takes a shit on the stage: youtube.com/watch?v=KqoqN4kXk3s

Can anyone refute what Jared Taylor is arguing?

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What is there to refute? The crime stats are correct.

He did a video with the "not an argument" man himself last week. Of course they both agree so it's a circlejerk.

There's one video with him debating some liberal wigger on Gavin's show, the problem is that Jared isn't a decent debater either, he gets caught off guard too often and just laughs with that spergy accent he has instead of hitting back with facts right away.

Things like correlation / causation I guess? I'm not sure. I just thought there had to be some counterpoints to what he's saying. I mean he's totally reviled by most of society... I guess that's saying 99.99% of people are sticking their heads in the sand on these issues?

Yeah their worldviews are too similar. Also I noticed when Taylor espoused the virtues of socialism and trashed libertarianism, Stefan clammed up and didn't confront him on it.

I'm looking for someone with an opposing worldview but can actually make coherent arguments and back them up with facts.

I found one guy on a HuffPo panel but he seemed totally disingenuous and they only talked for like 5min.

R.A. Tha Rugged Man? Yeah I didn't even waste my time with that. He's a shit rapper and a fucking retard.

You could be looking for something that doesn't exist. I don't think there is a factual response you can make against the prevalence of violent black criminality.

He got destroyed by faggot ass Tim Wise.

(((Tim Wise))) vs. Jared Taylor
youtube.com/watch?v=lQtBFLpGbDw

Closest thing, that I know of, to what you're looking for.

There aren't any counter-arguments to what he's saying.

Hope this helps.

That debate is embarassing to watch, both jared and the wigger were unprepared as fuck and mciness is just a retard.
And desu it did feel as if Jared didn't know any better than the other two idiots so..
I don't get why stormweenies worship this guy as if he was some kind of god of rethoric when he's a belowaverage spokesman and even worse debater

Thanks for alerting me to "The Great Debate" - I'll have to watch it. Interestingly, the professor that was Taylor's opponent has shit credentials:

>Dr. Reilly is a tenure-track HBCU Professor (K-State) with a PhD (Southern Illinois) and a law degree (University of Illinois).

If you're black and the best you can do is Southern Illinois and U of Illinois, then you are clearly no great intellectual mind.

ra the rugged man picked taylor apart

Thanks I will check this out now

I am not gonna bother with that RA Rugged Man one. You can tell without even watching it that its gonna be shit.

The guy has his head so far up his own ass it's incredible.

Tim Wise brutally raped Jared in a debate. Check it out.

I am watching it right now. So much more enjoyable than the other shit-flinging debates Ive heard.

this, what he says is empirically true, kind of hard to rationally argue against comprehensive IQ studies with large samples, PERFECTLY corroborating average outcome in society for the different groups

the only rational argument is an ethical one and a question of values which boils down to

>while it may be true that non whites, and non Asians, are genetic pollution that drags down out average IQ, and quality of civilization with it, it hurts my feeling and is therefore bad to do anything about it

which is not very compelling when stated plainly, so we get the standard liberal strategy of every possible misdirection and emotional tantrum you can think of

All AmRen videos are circlejerks, but they're still very enjoyable.
This one was quite rousing:

youtube.com/watch?v=5zY-ILwwpZ0

>circlejerk
Well, yeah, it's a conference. I wouldn't attend a Marxist conference and expect booing when a speaker defends the labour theory of value. Calling it a circlejerk is redundant since that's the entire point of the event: for similarly-minded people to discuss ideas pertaining to the advancement of their ideology.

I listened to the first part of that debate and Wise managed to argue fallaciously twice, once by insinuating that because there were intra-white differences, the inter-ethnic differences were artificial and the other that because something didn't show up in a kid's behavior, it's appearance in adulthood was evidence of the influence of a social process.

Taylor didn't catch on.

>Taylor didn't catch on.

Ant that's exactly why he lost. When he is debating somebody of high iq, he gets his ass torn. Jared can only regurgitate his pre-practiced responses, so when he is put on the spot to question he is isn't familiar with, he gets destroyed.

>The Great Debate" at KSU a few months ag

I watched that the other day.

>Britain is 10% black
>"Edinburg" in England
>Syria is an ethnically homogeneous society
>Japan experiences greater social problems than America

The professor just has a feel-good idea and doesn't even bother looking up if it's true.

>once by insinuating that because there were intra-white differences, the inter-ethnic differences were artificial

What's your counter-argument that that? That inter-ethnic differences are more pronounced and statistically predictable than intra-white differences?

I would have really loved to see Thomas Sowell who is a proponent of the culture hypothesis debate Jared Taylor on the causation for IQ differences among races in america. Imo, I think Thomas Sowell would ass rape Jared Taylor raw on the entire subject. Unfortunately, Sowell is probably too old to find debating this topic worth his time.

Yeah, Jared does that a lot. I first listened to the Tim Wise debate years ago when I was about 18, and even at that age I noticed a lot of missed opportunities from Jared. Jared has another debate with Tim Wise, I think it was moderated by Huffington Post, in which he misses similar opportunities. In the Huff-Post debate Jared also appears with the infamous cretin Matthew Heimbach, who provides nothing positive.

OP, I think you're in disbelief over how serious the brainwashing in the West is. We are literally at Soviet Union levels of cognitive dissonance over how destructive multiculturalism and mutiracialism are. It can very disheartening to discover that even the people you most admire are being intellectually dishonest on this topic. Very disheartening indeed. But the facts are what they are. We just have to accept that, and hope one day society sees the light.

The intra-whites differences that were mentioned by Wise were implicitly those of nationalities, history, and language.

The obvious retort is that the presence of certain types of differences does not negate the existence of some other, nor does it proves that all differences are of the same type. You and I could, for instance, base our respective identity on a difference relating to who had a blue card versus who had a red card, but that particular difference can be shed more or less at will.

The differences of ethnicity, while not relevant in all context, is still immutable. We can very well argue that the social status of ethnicity can be modified somewhat, but the underlying reality of it cannot, so that no matter what one will do people will always identify as being part of ethnicity X-Y-Z, whatever the case may be, provided there is enough difference to make a phenotypical distinction. (As an example : Elizabeth Warren isn't native American enough for us to be really able to make a phenotypical distinction. If you have to tell me that you're not the ethnicity I categorized you as, then you're just pretending.)

In my view, this has social consequences that I have not seen being fleshed out anywhere. Furthermore, since the consequences are social in character, they apply irrespective of whether or not there are or are no differences between the intelligence and temperament of different races on average, but they explain why disparity of outcome along racial line end up being so fucking terrible.

>the USA and their cucked minority majority youth

Kek we don't have this kind of problems here because the age gap is a myth

>I don't get why stormweenies worship this guy as if he was some kind of god of rethoric when he's a belowaverage spokesman and even worse debater

Because he is very well spoken most of the time, he fucking destroyed Cenk the cuckroach. So it's baffling how Rugged the wigger cuck made him look weak.

God bless Jared and RamZ introducing Sup Forums memes and OC to the mass of middle-aged normies.

No he didnt.

You cant refute the crime stats. The only refutations are people who try to move from crime stats to it being a poverty issue which fails just the same. You have to go deeper and thats someplace liberals dare not go.

>Because he is very well spoken most of the time
>huwhite!

The most common form of violent crime is family members against other family members.

No amount of segregated racial nationalism can prevent this crime.

It's worse than the Soviet Union, because people in the West don't even realise it's propaganda.

>Can someone point me to a debate/discussion where Jared Taylor is pitted against someone who can cite facts and form proper arguments?

This doesn't exist user, I am pretty sure I have seen all of his debates, none of the ones I have seen he has lost

I will be checking this out though, but I doubt tim wise will provide any good arguments considering the man is a literal retard imo

you have successfully discovered the kike dialectic

there are no valid counterpoints, he is a smart hwyte man

you are now one of us

there is no going back

>I asked for Hwyte wine

>the man is a literal retard imo

He isn't. He's simply guided and informed by a different set of ideals. He argues rather well and has good rhetorical skills. I remember listening to a whole talk he did about white privilege and it was very interesting.

The whole concept of white privilege is fundamentally wrong because it is too much informed by the experience of African Americans, but no matter.

I watched the "Great Debate" what a fucking joke.

>He isn't
nice opinion, also hence why I said "imo" which means "in my opinion", perhaps you find him interesting and smart but I simply don't user, I simply can't find a person who I consider mislead to be interesting or smart, others may, but I can't

you didn't like the ending with him speaking spanish talking about muh food?

I particularly enjoyed the part where he got a handful of students to come on stage and state their ethnic make up.

Highly diverse.

Sowell would probably agree with Taylor

Taylors arguments are rooted in numbers, same with Sowell

It'd still be a very interesting watch.

>I mean he's totally reviled by most of society...
You mean, you're a proggie swipple and you think he's ebul?

Naw. Sowell would say that while the numbers Taylor cites are perfectly correct, it may not be indicative of what he called the innate potentialities of all races. Something else may "keep them down".

Then I don't know how the IQ debate would pan out.

You don't want a Taylor-Sowell debate but a (Charles) Murray-Sowell debate.

>Taylors arguments are rooted in numbers, same with Sowell
>Something else may "keep them down"
Except Sowell, despite being conservative, begins with the same assumptive framework as the Left: that environment is everything, and thus, socio-economic factors are what differentiate the races. He ascribes different causes, like the welfare state and the black "original sin" of biting the "apple" of state patronage, but he's essentially a liberal, because he hasn't crossed the HBD hurdle.

He spent his childhood in japan

You're perfectly right in what you say, but I think this is why Murray would be better suited for Sowell, since Murray is actually a (very) respectable establishment political scientist, rooted in data, that doesn't really believe in white nationalism and probably has a firmer grasp on HBD and IQ than Taylor, on top of a mastery of sociology.

I mean he's a guy who believe that the book "A troublesome inheritance" is sort of epoch making.

>mastery of sociology

Good point.

I understand where you're coming from but a field of study isn't invalidated by its retards.

I saw this fraud on Gavin's show "debating" "RA The Rugged Man" or whatever his name is.

He just descended into schoolboy insults and fake-laughing.

It was joek lel. I see it the same way I see anthropology. It has interesting assets, but like many public studies you get what they want published and not much else. In any field of science you get differing opinions, and the less popular in msm has a dim light shone on it.
>thats racist
>less people believe it
>look at this tin foil science
Histories ok when you see homosexuality I'm past societies but when you see how much happier people were in tribal environments with less materialist stimulation, then everybody from that time period is backwards? Fuck academia and fuck multiculturalism

How is he a fraud. The rugged man is a moron who conducted himself much worse than Jared.

Why do liberals have a compulsive way of denying facts proceed by shouting and calling others racist and stupid?

It works fairly well.

Molyneux did the same with Chomsky; he tries to be polite with the more prominent intellectuals so they don't hang up on him I think. It did aggravate me how he wouldn't challenge Chomsky >:[

I mean. Yeah.
If you ask somebody to an interview and just talk shit to him for the whole time. Even if they are a total idiot then thats not the right thing to do.

I mean actually debate him with counter points, not talk shit. Molyneux just sat there with his thumb plugged up his ass while Chomsky went off about his shit politics.

came here to say basically this

What the fuck is based Jared doing on TYT, its just a much of waste as Black Pigeon going on that Romanian autist' youtube debate.