What if China went to war with USA? They spend a lot on military and are almost on par with burgers economically...

What if China went to war with USA? They spend a lot on military and are almost on par with burgers economically. Don't forget burgers have a lot of debt to China.

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Nukes, either one country gets annihilated to the point they can't retaliate or both countries get annihilated.

And debt doesn't work that way. Absolute debt doesn't matter as long as interest payments are made.

The Chinese government is retarded. There are a lot of Chinese people living abroad in the West.

They must have found the sunken ruins of Atlantis, they are taking the territory over in force.

Yeah they are going to fight anymore who wants to know what's in that ocean because there is definitely something.

Also consider the Chinese Russian alliance. The US is a super power but they are trying to project authority across oceans upon different continents against other super powers.

I say the US should worry about oceans surrounding the north and South American land mass.

They also don't have national problems like BLM

They definitely have their own problems.

Most Chinese people are trying to leave anyway, let them have their ocean and play soldier.

Also Russia. Russia remains absent.

Because they're well over 1.2 billion, that's 4 times your population.

Open your borders and we'll help you out, gringo.

They can mobilize a land army of 150 million foot soldiers. Their claims can be defended from the coast as China is like a massive aircraft and cruise missile carrier by itself.

Take nukes out kf the picture and their Navy would be absolutely annihilated by the American navy in months.
Once that's done the waiting game is played and eventually losses.
America has plenty of options of nearby Allies to allow for direct land invasion in needed.
Without a massive Navy capable of securing the Pacific in its entirety the Chinese have no means to attack us directly with ground troops making a win impossible for them.

Numbers don't mean that much in modern warfare especially endless waves of gruntsthat can be taken out with one airstrike

China does not have the global military capabilities that the United States does.

In fact... no nation on earth does...

We could launch an attack on all sides of China and box them in.

>dump all US treasory bonds
>us bankrupt overnight
>problem solved

And china losses*

You can't defeat them either in a ground war, they always buy the latest technologies

Russia. Don't forget Russia. While you focus on that bait Russia can kick our ass. USA can't beat either China and Russia without steep cost and can't beat the both of them together.

Geez do you even Art of Warfare?

You're a dumb ass gypo arnt ya?

75% of China's population are 3rd world farmers living in the hills and they hate the fucking Chinese government.

what the actual fuck do you know about modern warfare? All the West has been doing since the 1960's was conducting low level counter-sandnigger operations. We don't know what would happen in any major Great Power war in 2016. For all we know one semi-sophisticated anti-ship missile is enough to threaten a fleet.

The United States has a two decade advantage against all nations when it comes to technology...

>Also consider the Chinese Russian alliance
There is no such thing. We will both fuck each other over at the first opportunity.

In a short scale war, Americans would win due to far superior tech and training.
However, if the war extended for a longer period of time, America's chances to win would steadily decrease over time due to how reliant on China's industry America is and if they got cut off from it it would cause all sorts of problems back home. It would basically be Pacific war 2.0 with USA on the reverse side

Boris pls. I am a smart cookie.

Okay and China hasn't been fighting anyone.

China hasn't fought a major war in a few 100 years...

look at saddam and his army numbers mean shit

Japan would get rekt by medium range ballistic missiles it's densely populated target rich environment.

Vietnam was 100% 3rd world farmers
Not true America always buys military tech from Europe and Israel you almost never make anything new

t, ignorant burger

desert storm was a massive operation and saddam had a huge army.

Then there's the Falklands war.

This.

Russia and China are not allies. They only work together some times just to piss us off but both nations know that if the US is gone , then they will be the next rivals and they are fucking neighbors...

China and Russia would try and fuck each other if given the opportunity.

Not an argument.

I'm sure the US could industrialize pretty quick. We only rely on China because it's cheaper, not because we can't do it ourselves.

China has the latest military tech too and they train probably more than Americans because they're so many some of them only do that all their lifes

you don't have a basic understanding of American manufacturing for advanced (shit you need in war) tech. Plus China would have to deal with Japan, Tiawan, s Korea and Australia in addition to the USA

China and US fighting is a huge opportunity for Russia as the 3rd super power.

Did you not fucking listen to what I said?

The 3rd world farmers won't fight for China. They fucking hate the Chinese government.

> You buy technology from Europe

You are spewing bullshit out of your gypo ass.

You are a major threat for both. If anything a alliance between them is possible until they destroy you then they can kill each other

your argument isnt an argument

I mean it. Russians don't like China. We were forced to work with them because we're the only somewhat relevant contrarian countries but the moment we have an opportunity to jump the ship and make profit out of it we will do it.

Nigger, numbers haven't meant anything since WWI

Your army is half spics and niggers, Chinese soldiers have outnumbered you already, the farmers are civilians. If there's someone who wouldn't fight for their country that's America

You are seriously a fucking dumb ass.

China and Russia do not have the military capabilities to launch an invasion on the United States. The only thing they could do is defend against us...

This thread is full of idiots who don't know anything.

Go die you gypsy nigger.

are you fucking retarded we are industrialized we're one of the largest producers of shit. We just don't make cheap consumer goods but capital equipment

every american company is based off bae systems and that company is literally british mate

It's true, besides if we get Trump elected we can be friends with Russia again.

76% of the US military is non-hispanic Caucasian.

You are just talking out of your ass because you're a dumb ass 3rd world gypo

Who said they would launch a defensive? Fucking with your troops in Europe would be enough to anger you and get you on their land. Also China can destroy you economically, you have so much debt to them

Murica can borrow our god-tier SAS, leading to instant Chinese surrender.

not an argument

Does being in debt mean anything if the debtors go to word with the ones they owe debt to?

Russia is responsible for the whole communist ordeal in china.

I would never forget any country for kickstarting communism in my country.

Looking at you, united states. Looking real hard at you.

it's called NATO dumb shit, we spread production across countries on purpose

Yes because China buys more than it sells, they can fuck your economy and crush the dollar

>You are a major threat for both.

are you the gypsy john mccain or something

if it weren't for Obama we would be on pretty good terms with Russia right now

China is a fuckin puffer fish, all talk and no walk, their country is a shit heap outside of hong kong

communism is started by the germans actually

Is it sad that I really don't care any more
Wipe me off the face of the earth

nato is defense treaty you dumb fuck, half of the nato members rely on russian equipment retard

The US has agents in brazillian soil right now stirring shit up.

I'm not complaining about some intellectual in buttfuck nowhere that created a new brand of theft and genocide.

don't be silly OP. both have nuclear triad.

There won't be a war important enough to use nukes. Nukes are only an option if the existence of a nation or its people are at serious risk.

Future wars between modern nations, such as China and USA, will not be fought like WW2 wars. WW2 was total war, all out, two systems battling for supremacy, winner takes all.

The next wars will be more like 17th or 18th century wars. Military campaigns for control over territory or political concessions.

Stuff that decides the power and influence a nation can keep or gain, but not life threatening.

In that light, a war between China and the US would most likely be waged over control of the oceans and islands in Asia.

China is the regional power. It's only sensible for them to push out US and Japanese influence.

Considering that, China should have the upper hand when it comes to gaining and keeping control. Their nation is right there, next to the theater of war. While the US would have to use bases in foreign nations and ship their soldiers and supplies over the ocean.

China also doesn't need to do a lot to win, actually. As soon as they have military bases up and running, they can just prolong the war half heartedly. It's going to be way more costly for the US than for China.

So yeah...a real conflict between the US and China? China wins, but only because China has no interest in starting a conflict it's going to lose.
Plus the US has no feasible way to win such a war. What is the US going to do? Invade mainland China? Throw bodies at chinese military bases and fortifications, lose ships against local chinese air superiority/ anti-ship missiles.
China can take those losses as long as they remain in control of those islands, which they will.

The end result will likely be a loss of influence in Asia by the US. China will become the truly dominant power in that part of the world.

The US will still be top dog, just like Rome and the Parthers.

Russia never liked you, NATO made it worse and that would happen without Obama too

Straight fight? As in no holding back? Mutual assured destruction

War with no nukes? USA wins easy, until China decides to cheat & nuke

Pure economic war? USA wins easy, until China decides to cheat & nuke

Ideology war? As in more BLM/ refugee crises? USA has advantage, but small chance to be spun into civil war and China wins

it's all fun and games until somebody uses a tactical nuke. US wouldn't risk escalation.

US has a lot of debt to China. They can crash their economy

China can be blockaded. They might be able to feed themselves if they reform their shitty agricultural system, but it would make it hard for them to mobilize the full capability of their industry.

Of course, that depends on overland routes not popping up after the island building projects.

Regardless, what America has going for it is the ability to produce massive amounts of food. Industrialized farming yields have been legislatively reduced to manage land and maintain high prices. We have the infrastructure in place to kick it into high gear and start producing wealth if we had to, hence the GM/ bank bailouts.

We might get our asses kicked when china fucks our networks, which will fuck our service sectors. But, actually, they'd be doing us a favor, because when it comes to a fight for resources, which is what the war will be about anyway, we could easily live without our macdonalds and shopping malls. The workforce can be shifted to material production and military training.

Thats assuming we dont just throw missiles at each other, which isnt likely becuase the outcome wouldnt be favorable for anyone.

tl;dr China can be starved, total war would be stupid.

Not really. They only have 1 carrier which is small and old as hell and are trying to build another. Equipment and military wise, we'd crush them easily. The real problem is getting a good leader who will allow our military to go all out. So if Trump gets in for example, we'll see that kind of power unleashed. But...... that's IF he gets in. Goddamn it I hope he wins.

They have more tanks and 5 time more labour force

China is at least 20 years behind in air and naval tech, probably closer to 30. They don't even have a joint command setup, their branches can't effectively communicate with each other.

they are not evenly matched.... USA have a monstrous naval capacity.
China never could dream match in less than two decades.

>china going to war with their biggest market

Not a chance. They love the dumb americans always buying their shitty consumer goods.

Source?

What are tanks going to do on the ocean? This would be a primarily naval war if it happened.

no it won't

That's less than half of thir GDP. China imports more from America than it exports to it. If America ended the game they'd be the one who get hurt the most. China sells shit to the whole world not only America.

Ignore this idiot he's shitposting with so much misinformation, he acts like China owning 5% of the US debt is a lot, or that in the event of a war, they could do anything with that debt.

>thinking anyone will use bullets in a modern war

Nope
It will all be electronic
It will all be economic

China can fuck most of the world with its economic might and legion of hackers. Its been attacking western companies for years via hacking and no one can do shit about it

China would drag North Korea and Southeast Asian countries into the war. Russia wouldn't bother.

China has too much of a population (1.2 B) and conscription and their military gear certainly better than the ones we fought in the Middle East.

The only way US can compete is through Conscription of every young adult male in the nation.

Where do you suppose those tanks will be fighting?

>What if China went to war with USA? They spend a lot on military and are almost on par with burgers economically.

No, they're not, you fucking retard. They're a third world country. Their GDP is smaller than America's, and when you consider the fact that they have 1.3 billion people compared to the US 300 million, you can see how poor they really are.

They're also far behind the west in just about every other category as well, and would be utterly annihilated in a war with the US, assuming we rule out nuclear weapons.

China buys more than it sells, they can crush US economy.

We would eliminate their trade and industry in a single night too, its mutually assured destruction there

Its common knowledge that the chinese have been stealing tech from american contractors.

Having more ships won't help you much as the main battlefield would be in east asia, close to them. Japan would have annihilated you with a small navy it if wasn't for nukes. But this time China has nukes too so those won't save you again

They also bought tech from Europe like you did

you believe your government already don't thing in this? they have something for sure, nuclear arsenal ts not the more nasty arsenal humans can do.

in case of a conflict, no china no russia and of course no USA will win that is sure.

The US could simply starve them out. Destroy their navy, and you control most of the trade. Bomb their rice fields and their power plants and cut off their supplies. A nation of 1.3 billion would crumble and starve in no time.

Yea because its not like we have the most advanced military technology in the world or anything. We would destroy any ship or plane trying to make it here before they even got half way. Their population means absolutely nothing

youtube.com/watch?v=eNobp7OnlJw
ba.... USA do exactly the same on the 1900s, agasin england. this is just history repeating himself.

You don't. You only buy tech from Europe and Israel, never make your own

>what are logistics

Uncle Sams Canoe Club has more logistic might then the entire chinese military.

>Vietnam was 100% 3rd world farmers
The US won every battle, and had a 20:1 kill ratio. The US strategy was never designed to win the war to begin with, because conquering North Vietnam would mean China would get involved. They were meant to stop the spread of communism.
If the US had launched a full scale invasion, they would have taken Vietnam in a matter of months.

The level of ignorance that people have regarding the Vietnam War is staggering.

Are you just stringing together random words and pretending you're making an argument?

sorry forgot to finish, it may look like our plane, but they cant fly it without the metallurgy necessary to make reliable engine.

reuters.com/article/us-china-military-engines-idUSKCN0V7083

Source?

You realize in the next 10 years, China will have over 500 million people over the age of 60, right? They're going to get hit harder than the US will with the aging baby boomers, thanks to their 1 child policy. They have 1 kid to pay for 4 grandparents

> Japan would have annihilated you with a small navy it if wasn't for nukes.

What? Why the fuck do you keep spewing this shit if you know absolutely nothing about history? Jesus...

He's either a chink or a russian on a proxy, he just hates america and is shitposting about them, ignore him.

With what? Their currency isnt backed up by gold, its backed by US dollars. If the west pulls out China is rioting in under a month. Whens the last time you bought a chinese anything? Theyre western owned companies who contract in china for cheap labour and lax pollution laws.

lol you're fucking delusional. Stay jealous faggot

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_destroy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

great for amusement parks

In 10 years you will over 50% niggers and spics, they can always repeal the 1 child/family law once their population has decreased sufficiently