Redpill me on vietnam war

did it really need to happen?

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No. Asymmetric Warfare in the modern age is unwinnable, and from the way things are looking now I'm afraid Communism is tough to fight against as well.

We already know about the Gulf of Tonkin, we know how easy it is to get swindled into shitty wars and we know we're going to keep doing it.

Stop perceived communist expansion by the Chinese. I say 'perceived' because it turned out the Vietcong actually hated the Chinese and kept their geopolitical independence, but American strategists were a bunch of memesters that thought commies would have to befriend commies. Vietnamese hate Chinese. The war was for nothing.

Blame Nixon and Kissinger for how bad it got.


SOME MEN WERE BORN, MADE TO WAVE THE FLAG

It is winnable but it's devastating for both sides. Read up on the Eastern Front during WW2 which had crazy assymetrical and partisan warfare mixed in with the Fronts. The USSR lost something like 400k men just trying to take Berlin alone. It requires some real fucking dedication

*folks
OOO THEY'RE RED WHITE AND BLUE!!!

sorry I think I meant 50k not 400k

did it really happen?

What is funny is was the sheer amount of denial and lies that USA officials did trying to cover up faults of the M16 in its first years of action.

yes when my ass was full of inflatable black dick that was full of bleach, i laid an egg out of my boipucci and greece grew a pussy and said "vietnam is raping me" and then america was like "hippies beatles lmao" and they bombed sri lanka by accident and then an american plane fell into greeces pussy and turkey thought it was a kebab and invaded to get what they thought was kebab but they were mistaken and called roaches meanwhile america was having it's ass blown by a leafblower invented by magical filipinos that eat turkeys and grease by vietnamese people and then america lost the war but they also lost the beatles and shit
and then disco grew as a tumour or something in my private farm as black congolese children were planting rocks into the ground to get fresh watermelóns
and then in 1975 the 1990s happened and america was like "disco funky lmao" and called the whole war off

>tfw you will never go on hunter-killer operations with ROKMC
>tfw you will never torch entire villages for harboring VC scum
>tfw you will never rape VC qts

My granddad fought In it, not to mention all the footage of the shit, of course it fucking happened dipshit

This. The burgers were too ignorant and thought that Vietnam would be another Korea.

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"me wuv u fo good tiem fo faihv dowwa"

Ok hiro

>M16
MI6 or CIA? The Brits weren't in the Vietnam War.

He's talking about the gun.

The entire Cold War didn't need to happen.

The Soviet Union was fucked from the start. Too much resources went into military spending to keep up with the US whilst their people starved in bread lines.

If the US had just let communism fuck itself over on its own whilst allocating resources into its more successful projects like freedom radio etc and just focused on making itself a prosperous and free nation and promoting those virtues abroad (without military intervention) then the Cold War would have been nothing.

It was human experimentation on a huge scale. Weather tech, agent orange, advanced deployment methods, co-intel operations. It wasn't a real war. It was a test for what they have been doing everywhere we go since. Soon they will bring it all home.

There's never a bad time for killing communists. If it wasn't for left-wing jews pushing ideological subversion we would have won.

... which is hilarious considering how wildly successful our adventure in Korea was ...
Hey Phobro, have you heard about US POWs being kept back as collateral for payment of $3.25B in reparations? Sydney Shanberg broke the story based on negotiation documents and nobody wanted to touch it. It was the basis of that slimeball McCain revisiting your paddy and insisting that there were no POWs.

Vietnam war was pretty gud adventure with burger. Burger should send us in more fun adventures :DDDD

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Here.

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WAIT
*IS NOT A FORTUNATE SON*
YOU MEAN?
*FLYS AWAY IN A HUEY*
YOU MEAN TO TELL ME?
*ROASTS SOME GOOKS*
WHAT YOU SAYIN IS
*GETS SOME*
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT
*CUTS SLOPES IN HALF WITH M-16*
NOW HOLD ON I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS
*PROCLAIMS CHARLIE DON'T SURF*
WHAT YOU MEAN TO SAY IS
*SMELLS NAPALM IN THE MORNING*
THE REASON WE FIGHTING HERE
*SHOTGUNS SOME WEED*
THE REASON WE FLEW ALL THE WAY OVER HERE
*IS THE FIRST KID ON HIS BLOCK TO GET A CONFIRMED KILL*
WHY WE IS HERE IS
*PLAYS COWBOYS AND INDIANS*
WHY WE CAME ALL THIS WAY
*SMUGGLES HEROIN HOME IN BODY BAGS*
OUR MISSION IS TO
*FIGHTS FOR "POONTANG"*
KILL SOME COMMIES?
*PEAKS ON ACID IN FIREFIGHT*

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Without the western schemes ranging from sanctions, proxy wars, isolation, to oil price manipulation, the Soviet would not have collapsed. Unfortunately, they had to make a pact with Islamist from the ME and the Chinese to do it. Look at them now, both Islamist and Chinese are coming back to bite
I have not heard about this story.

better quality
>20 yr old draftee squadleader
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Ohhh Kojima, you rascal! You're a fun one aren't you?

They faked it the way they faked the moon landing. None of those people listed on the "wall" ever actually existed.

testing ground for new weapons technology and strategies.

Well would communism not eventually have collapsed from within?

Or maybe they just would have gone the way China has done. One party state, capitalist economy.

Thing that is annoying about the Middle East is America supported the Islamists over the socialists and fucked them over. In the 70's, the Middle East was prosperous and free. And we fucked it for oil.

South Koreans were mercenaries. Park Chung Hee sent troops to Vietnam for all those sweet financial "assistance" from the US. They were the most brutal and blood thirsty among all the foreign troops in Vietnam. The economic benefits for South Korea were nothing short of amazing. In short, South Korea grew from the blood they soaked in Vietnam.

Nice counter points uhhh John and Bob.

Ho Chi Minh wanted support of America. Even quoted Jefferson. From there look at the Truman Doctrine and Domino theory. We started sniffing around Vietnam under Eisenhower.

>Tyrone and Jamal
ftfy

This is nonsense. Not only was the Soviet Union unable to function at a basic level, but at the time they were often pretty honest about it. They were never food-independent and in their first years were totally dependent on direct assistance from Wall Street and Woodrow Wilson. The Polar Bears were a ruse, not an attempt to strangle the Revolution, which we could have accomplished had we simply not fed them.

Then why did my brother never come back?

>he thinks the vietnam war ACTUALLY happened
oh boy do i have a redpill for you.....

>Well would communism not eventually have collapsed from within?
Communism's advantages of en-massing people to big projects while enacting quick political and economic reforms without prolonged political fights within a stagnated parliament is the key to China's growth.
If the west had allowed free trading with the Soviet like they did with China (which was done specifically so that China betrayed the Soviet), the Soviet would have prospered.

It was more that the war had little to do with communism nationally. Aside from Bolshevism, which was calculated and done by certain (((people))) every successful "communist" revolution was a thoroughly nationalist effort. They wanted to preserve their people, their culture, and not be economically raped by powerful western forces. Communism served as a viable alternative to (((western))) control of their monetary system and their utter subjugation to far more powerful countries.

Vietnam is no exception. Its just far more notable.

sad we didn't help them right from the beginning

Vietnam Thread?

Vietnam thread

too bad he was a commie


Yes, but it was completley pointless:
>Communist revolutionaries in 'nam
>BTFO the french
>USA takes over because communism
>Stalemate reached
>Truce
>USA sets up ""democracy"" in the south
>Trains up their own forces
>USA starts pulling out
>Commies break truce and attack south
>Government troops 100% depend on USA support and equipment
>USA stops helping South
>Saigon falls
The end

Basically see Iraq. Miraculously, Baghdad hasn't fallen (yet).

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Many nations helped the Untied States' war of independence and when the States were still weak too.

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They were just men caught in the shitstorm of their time.

Fairs seas and Following winds

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>captcha: select the palm trees

I've got a lot of sympathy for Vietnam vets, especially the ones that ended up depressed and homeless after the war. It's just not right.

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This. Ditto with the CPC vs KMT in China -- the ROC had Mao's gang beat and were swooping in for the final kill, whereupon State demanded a unilateral ceasefire from the ROC and sent George Marshall over to to negotiate a power-sharing agreement, which neither side was interested in.

During that enforced ceasefire, the Communists recovered, reorganized and were massively rearmed by their friends in Russia AND the United States, and once they were strong enough they broke the truce, massacred the KMT and took all of mainland China.

The US wasn't even going to intervene in the imminent PRC invasion of Taiwan until Korea happened and it became politically impossible to give all of China to the Communists.

The actual history of the West "vs" Communism is shady as fuck.

>too bad he was a commie
America lost Ho Chi Minh to the Soviet Union because it refused to help Vietnam gain independence from France. Ho Chi Minh admired the American political ideals and asked for our help first.

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here is a better question.

Did it really happen?

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all wars are necessary

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What's going on in that pic?

IT AIN'T MEEEEEEEEEEEEE
IT AIN'T MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I AIN'T NO SENATOR'S SON NO NO

>New Zealand soldiers hold captured NVA flag.

The Vietnamese created guerilla warfare. They defeated the Chinese, Japanese, French, and Americans. Dien Bien Phu was brutal and effective. Our army was infested by ticket punchers causing a lot of needless deaths and misguided land grabs.

One of my favorite books on this subject is About Face: Odyssey of an American Warrior. Ties together Korea / Vietnam nicely.

THE KIWI

>USA stops helping South
They were still helping, not just as much as before.
>Basically see Iraq
Iraq can survive without oil and Iranian's help though.

Base took contact from the mountain, they brought up an tank with an AA gun and two M60s to strafe the motherfucker

What you see is the tracers from the guns

That's fucking awesome

>Vietnamese created guerilla warfare
Murican Education, did you know during the Papua New Guinea campaign against Japan, Aussie commandos stuck behind would be conducting guerilla operations.

Soviet partisans conducted guerilla warfare against the Germans

Yugoslav guerillas did the same.

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Its part of a set a combat photographer took using long exposure shots

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This is correct. America was so keen on helping France keeping its colonies to rebuild as a good will action so that France would remain in their orbit in the Untied Nation, which symbolized the post-war advantage of the west.

SOME FOLKS INHERIT STAR SPANGLED EYES
OOH, THEY SEND YOU DOWN TO WAR, LORD

>US Navy patrol in Mekong delta

>Is that you John Wayne?
>Is this me?

From an organizational and structural standpoint absolutely.

vietnam seriously challenged our strategies at the time. Not even the VC, i mean the NVA. The doctrinal changes (for example, getting gud at fighter jets) directly led to the structure that curb stomped the Iraqis in Desert Storm and led to massive improvements in the US military.

was it a war we had to fight? No, not really.

Was it a war that showed us what our weaknesses were? Absolutely.

dont focus on the guerilla war aspect. The VC were basically out of the game after the Tet Offensive. Most people under 50 forget that the NVA was the real threat, and they were way ahead of even ISIS or any durkhas.

and we STILL got them to the negotiating table at Paris. Vietnam had a numerous conventional war moments with a constant backdrop of "lel private wilkens stepped on a mine".

That's irrelevant ideologically, and pretty neatly explained by hating Britain. That is, France helped us, as part of competition with Britain. In order for that example to do what you want it to do, these nations would have to be ostensibly fighting to exterminate the USA while secretly guaranteeing its survival.

>Australian education
Read how Vietnam fought against the Mongols and the Chinese before that. Guerilla warfare has been perfected here since centuries.

No. If we'd allowed them to be independent after the defeat of Japan, instead of selling them out to the French, we would have been best pals with Vietnam

This predates prison island and burgers. Nice b8

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>Marine having some chow.

It's only been recently that a common foe has made relations become closer.

The US didn't hate Bolsheviks at first because they were seen as the elements that would weaken the Russian Empire.

oh poor vets who agreed to be pawns of the elite *tiny violin*
You dropped more bombs on vietnam than were dropped in the entirety of WW2, you deserve the misery you have caused around the world

There is an arguable example of this: Tito's Yugoslavia. The comfiest part of Eastern Europe (it was even a tourist destination -- for Westerners!), it was still categorically inferior to the West.

I would make a pun about Vietnam but It ain't me

U wot m8., the IRA was doing guerilla war way before the VC. And before that was the Boers. And before that were plenty of native americans. Small guys have always tried to work out how to kill the big guys.

>chow is continuous

AND WHEN YOU ASK EM' HOOOOOWW MUCH WE SHOULD GIVE
OOOOOOH THEIR ONLY ANSWER'S MORE MORE MOOOORE

The keyword is perfected, but guerilla warfare goes back to Tsun Tzu

>Australian soldier in battle of Coral.

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The US had many powerful elements that openly supported Communism and continued to do so through the supposed height of the Cold War. As far as this being realpolitik to attack our long ally (!) the Russian Empire, which had stopped existing at that point, no. Look up Jacob Schiff and FDR's cabinet. Look at FDR's personal support for Spanish commies.

Cold war politics mate, the soviet union were no better. This isn't Disneyland, this is global reality.

Back to Melbourne you go

fuck i keked hard

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Tanned Vietnam-hardened Boipussy