Star Wars lightsaber duels

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How it is possible than some fans can do a better fight than the entire group of specialists in a movie?

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those "specialists" are ultimately still actors, not professional athletes or martial artists.

This.

At least in the prequels and disney films they make an attempt to emulate normal human motor function and reflex. In the OT it's like watching 2 toddlers play fighting.

The guy that played Darth Maul I think he is a stuntman or martial artist. And he did one of the best fights in Star Wars.

I prefer the Ben vs Vader fight in ANH than the Obi-Wan vs Anakin with all of those stupid moves.

Clone Wars has best fights

fight me faggots

post examples.

all of the OT fights look like they're being careful not to hurt each other lmao

the prequel fights are flashy and retarded, but they're much closer to resembling actual sword fighting.

What if there was 80% less twirling? That'd be cool.

Not much different desu

>reenacting video game animations
>normal human motor function and reflex
>half a dozen of chances to kill opponent but they twirl around instead
>mfw they switch lightsabres

>half a dozen of chances to kill opponent but they twirl around instead
that's exactly how it works in the OT you stupid fuck. the whole saga is filled with laughably bad swordplay, but the prequels are objectively more similar to real life because the speed of combat more closely resembles reality.

you don't know nothing about Star Wars, period.

I've rewatched the OT recently and you have no clue what you're talking about.

>the prequels are objectively more similar to real life because the speed of combat more closely resembles reality.
kys underage

>I've rewatched the OT recently and you have no clue what you're talking about.
That's because you don't even have a basic understanding of how sword fighting works.

t. LARPer

I actually liked TFA's lightsaber take.

It seemed more violent than the originals, and less 'dance and flash' than the prequels.
Like every swing was a matter of life or death.

The movie was still shit though.

infinitely superior
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Can a post possibly get more autistic than this?

I enjoyed this fight

>adults complaining that a children's movie looks stupid

>presented by Mass Effect Andromeda's animation team

your inside kid is dead, sad!

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So you like a fight with an actor who hated his role that much that he half assed it? Oh lord.

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When I watch that scene I feel something, yes the movements are slow and a little stupid sometimes but at least it has suspense, good dialog, etc.

When I see anakin vs obi-wan in episode 3 I just can't stop noticing the stupid movements, and stupid dialog.

Can you explain to me what are they even doing here?
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Is that the incredible technique of space wizards to do kicks?

The roflcopters were fucking stupid but Maul owning the Inquisitors and Ahsoka vs Vader was star wars kino

>people unironically think these fights have believable sword play
>it's not even choreographed well

>feel something
>suspense
>dialog

>Is that the incredible technique of space wizards to do kicks?
Martial artists tend to do kicks, yes.

>VADER: I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete.

>VADER: When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.

>BEN: Only a master of evil, Darth.


If you don't feel nothing when you listen this lines then you don't know nothing about Star Wars at all.

>Martial artists
hahahahahahahaha yeah

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>we'll never get a meditative star wars that's not entirely focused on the autistic light/dark side shit.

Did you have an autistic seizure or something?

Duel ranking:

>ROTJ
>ESB
>TFA
>Qui-gon and Obi vs Maul
>ANH
>Trash
>All the other prequel fights.

>At least in the prequels

kys for having autism.

>TFA above anything

Kill yourself.

>TFA

nah son. At least TFA actually felt like a fight instead of some faggots dancing with glowsticks.

>felt like a fight instead of some faggots dancing with glowsticks
You were saying?

A shitty fight. At least that prequel shit is entertaining. That TFA shit has nothing going for it. The characters are shit and they fight like shit.

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Lightsaber duels are inherently unrealistic.
Even regular sword duels were historically decided in a matter of seconds provided they were armorless and to-the-death, and that's with swords that required actual force.

Laser swords that effortlessly pierce flesh, armor, and clothing, no matter how hard or in what way they contact your opponent? The duel would be over in one move. Logically, since lightsabers don't even have hilts, the first person to slide their saber down the opponent's and into their opponent's hands wins.

They exist purely for visual entertainment. And that's fine, but there's little point in trying to dissect them as serious swordplay.

DUDE WITCHER LMAO

that video doesn't make your point

I think that movement is pretty cool and it have and objective: deceive the opponent

Do lightsabers canonically have mass? Are the blades "heavy"?
It seems logical that they wouldn't, but that would make spinning literally useless, which is sad since they use it so much.
At least if the blades had mass spinning could serve to give the blade more momentum in an attempt to overpower the opponent's block.

Imagine being this autistic. The mental gymnastics OT fags perform is astounding.

that's maybe the best movement of that fight

he posted the best moment of the fight to prove it is bad hahaha

Yeah if normal people wielded them. Jedi has superhuman speed agility and reflexes not to mention limited precognition.

I like how Hayden just gives up halfway through "you brought him her to kill me"

It also leaves him completely open to counterattack.
Finn had nearly a full second after dodging the first swing in which he could have leaned forward and bisected Kylo, while Kylo would be unable to stop it due to not facing his opponent.

>Jedi has superhuman speed agility and reflexes
Then why do they move so slow in the OT?

It does. Ren is twirling around for the majority of the fight, even with Rey. He had plenty of chances to beat Finn even when Finn was on the ground, but he didn't even take a shot.
It's more dancing around with a glowstick than an actual fight.

They don't. Only TFA have heavy blades because they wanted to show off their "amazing" practical effects with their real life glow sticks, which made them heavier.

>deceive the opponent

Yeah but in that case both combatants have all that. Whatever defensive advantage is gained by one side is canceled out by the offensive advantage gained by the opponent, and vice versa.

A fight between two people with super speed and reflexes should be over at least as fast as, if not faster than, a fight between two normal people.

Where did they get so realistic looking lightsabers?

You're right. It is the best movement of the fight, and it's no better than "pretty good."

>Only TFA have heavy blades
As in the props were heavy, or the blades in-universe are heavy in TFA?

If you don't already know the answer than you are either to young or to stupid to be watching this film series.
Obi-Wan uses a defensive style while Anakin uses an offensive style so it's the whole unstoppable force vs immovable object scenario.

>He had plenty of chances to beat Finn
Oh really captain obvious. Him toying with Finn was the whole point of that fight, and he literally fucked Finn up within one move after he got serious

>They don't
t. autist that has no clue about actual canon
They do have mass in canon

but the whole point of that fight is that Kylo is playing with Finn because he thinks he's not a dangerous opponent

Imagine being this autistic.

>him toying with Finn

Is stupid. Prove me wrong.

>too young to be watching movies designed for children
imagine being this delusional

how can they be so retard?

they don't know that Kylo was playing with Fin xdddd

go rewatch the fight again and then come here to talk about it

They made it stupidly obvious that he isn't being serious. You have to have some major autism going for this to go over your head

No they don't have mass in canon what the fuck?

This

If laser swords are real, they would function like those gundam beam sabers.
You cross the stream it wouldn't bounce off like physical blade but with the particles scatter all over the place.

Let's say Anakin and Obi-Wan clash lightsabers. That's a common enough thing to do. Anakin, being the offensive one, slides his lightsaber down Obi-Wan's blade and slices through Obi-Wan's wrists in the span of a quarter of a second.

How does Obi-Wan's "defensive style" realistically counter this?

>DAMAGE CONTROL OFF THE CHARTS
The fact you don't know the answer to your retarded question only makes you seem dumber now that you call it a children's series.

>twirling his saber and turning his back to fin when he's on the ground
>serious

sure bud

They do.
>inb4 muh fanfiction EU canon

That doesn't make it less stupid.

Shit bait.

The props.

Make up your mind. Is it toying or REAL fighting that he's doing?

>t. autist that has no clue about actual canon
I was talking about the blades, dummy.
Even Pablo talk about how they fucked it up.

Unless he thought Finn wouldn't even attempt to kill him because of cowardice or whatever, leaving yourself 100% open to attack is not a good idea, even if you are playing with your opponent.

>he's looking for realism in a Star Wars movie

We weren't talking about stupid or not. I just pointed out that he was not fighting serious, very obviously.

He got serious after he took a hit from Finn and fucked him up immediately. Before he was fucking around

You can't actually slide lightsaber blades like that since they stick to each other I can't remember were I remember reading that but you could probably look it up. To be honest it was probably a reaction to fans asking your question for the pass 30 years.

Well it's stupid and there was no reason for him to be that way.

Where in the new Canon does it state that lightsabers now have mass?

I don't care that it's unrealistic. My point though is that there's no real point in attempting to analyze the quality of the swordplay in lightsaber duels because the lightsaber duels themselves are unrealistic and illogical.
They exist for visual spectacle and are not meant to be examples of good blade combat.

Old men neglecting their training and a kid.

He's and autistic manchild, that's all the reason he needs

Rebels

It's canon that Obi-Wan mastered a defensive form of combat and Anakin mastered an offensive form of combat.

I don't see how your post is relevant to the post you're replying to.

>TFA
>Better than anything
>Not the god-tier Revenge of the sith duels

Get out.

>he's an autistic manchild, and that's all the reason he needs

So he's a shitty character.

omg the autism is too much for me

THE DIRECTOR MAKE THE SCENE TO SHOW THAT KYLO WAS PLAYING WITH FIN BECAUSE SITH TEND TO BE ARROGANT AND OVER CONFIDENT

have you ever watch any star wars movie before?

Lightsaber fight ranking
>RotJ
>ESB
>Rebels, Ben vs Maul

The rest is trash

I'm just saying there's a reason they fought the way they did and you're trying to say it doesn't matter.

>lightsaber duels

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Do you honestly think the spin was in service of that purpose, though?
Because the fact that spinning is a common facet of lightsaber combat throughout the franchise makes me think it was just a move in a series of moves that they added to fill out the scene.

Still not what we are talkng about.

>stating facts
>autism
If anything your denial is autism

How exactly do you believe a real sword fight went down?
I'm sure there were loads of flips and twirls and dancing around eachother.

He tried spinning. That is Anakin's good trick. Truly Star Wars has the deepest lore

Poe and Finn are gay now, fucking JJ the jew fucking abrahms

No I saw that episode. The dark saber only felt heavy because Sabine wasn't attuned to it at first. Afterwards it was the same as any lightsaber.

>Rebels Ben vs. Maul

You're not even fucking trying.

They still very much implied they feel heavy and have mass in general