Why won't the west just work with Russia?

Why won't the west just work with Russia?

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>Obama

Russia is unpredictable, give them an inch and they take a mile
But I want the US and Russia to work together

Don't know. Aussies should definitely though

The West needs an adversary to justify its spending on its military-industrial complex. Currently, Muslims are in fashion as victims, so Obama and friends have sprung for naming Russia as the bad guy.

For the same reasons we support Israel.

Thats literally why NATO is there

Because the terrorists aren't using conventional tactics. We send armies and they scatter into our populace and decay society from the inside out.

We complain or protest and we're shot down on the grounds of spreading hatred.

The only option is to take a very heavy handed stance on this, but nobody is willing to accept the consequences of that notion.

Allahu akbar kuffar, that's why.

Oil, money and power.

NATO is set up to counter Russian ambition.

>NATO is set up to counter Russian ambition.
>imblying NATO isn't leaching moni from goyims

Because we can accidentally grab Baltics or Poland.

Speaking of which, what happened to thoe Rouble threads?

>Russian minority in Latvia accidentally riots.
>Russia accidentally supports the minorites.
>Latvia accidentally becomes Russian clay.

Wew lad.

The west is trudeau

If you kill your enemies, they win

But that's a good thing, comrade, eh?

I still crack up when they call it a "Nice terror attack"

because russia broke international treaties that were in place since ww2, for the west to work with would in sense ligitimize their actions. this would cause political and societal turmoil, the likes of which we have not seen.

open up a history book, and read about the events prior to ww2, luckily the west(at least the leaders, at least now) learned its lesson and will not trifle with treaty breakers, and instead stand in clear opposition to such acts.

Butthurt khohol

Don't be naive. Russia actively works against US interests. The United States is intent on taking down the Syrian government. They refuse to use the petrodollar. Russia is for keeping them intact for this very reason.

Terrorism is just the sideshow and justification both sides use to gain approval for their actions.

shut up katsap, grownups are talking.

>russia broke international treaties that were in place since ww2
Like Nato did.
>for the west to work with would in sense ligitimize their actions
Like anybody cares.
>open up a history book, and read about the events prior to ww2
>proto ukr and history

>grownups are talking.
>imblying he isn't underage ukrainian shill

Russia is our excuse to oil up the war machine and play around with cool vehicles in some desert shithole.

Then some fuckers took this game way too serious and started siding with the crying black kids whose sandcastle got run over for the 3rd time that day instead of playing Cops and Robbers with the slav boy and now we're in this shitty mess.

Moral of the story:
Don't play with black children.

literally what is guerilla warfare

that said i'd love to invade another country

Because this entire mess regarding terrorism is directly caused by the US, Russia, israel and saudi arabia fucking with the middle east for control.


If they peacefully worked together in the beginning instead of having proxy wars and overthrowing legitimate governments to dis-stablize the middle. There really wouldn't be much of a problem with terrorists in the first place.


This whole system is a joke. Everybody loses except the elite. It's almost too late now.

>The United States is intent on taking down the Syrian government. They refuse to use the petrodollar. Russia is for keeping them intact for this very reason.
Who is it that refuses to use the petrodollar?

russia is also actively trying to thwart the EU project because to it a divided europe would be easier to influence. the main way it is currently doing it is by exacerbating the refugee crisis by doing thing like bombing strictly residential areas, displacing the locals.

by doing that they hope far right anti eu sentemnts grow across europe(and they have) so that the eu breaks apart.

>open up a history book, and read about the events prior to ww2
Wow, this really made me think.

Lol nigga

Shut up you only want EU for free money.

>Like Nato did.
elaborate on which treaties nato or its members have broken?

russia broke the 4th genieva convention as it pertains to wars of aggression and annexation of foreign land

>Like anybody cares.

people do care especially in the Baltic states.

I am talking about how the west placated hitler you dumb fuck.

>elaborate on which treaties nato or its members have broken?
They get some pacts about "not meddling in post Warsaw pact members" but they did
>russia broke the 4th genieva convention as it pertains to wars of aggression and annexation of foreign land
Poor Vlad /like he actually gives a fuck/
>people do care especially in the Baltic states.
>imblying Balts are not permanently butthurt
Baши apгyмeнты инвaлиды.

Russia allied with Hitler to start WWII.

>russia
>grab anything

your shit army got stuck in ukraine
your shit army got raped in chechnya
your shit army got raped in afghanistan

poland and baltics will annex your shithole if you try to invade them

>Who is it that refuses to use the petrodollar?
Syria and Iran (Hussein's Iraq did too)

>Russia allied with Hitler to start WWII.
>Kikes allied with Hitler to start holocox
Actually makes you think....

shit I forgot to add that china neighbors care even more so than russia's neighbors. see the thing is it is not so much russia I fear but china.

if russia's actions go unpunished this may give china some ideas of its own, which would be the thing to fear.

>if russia's actions go unpunished this may give china some ideas of its own
>imblying China allready not into "conquer western pigs mode"
Lel

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>>russia
>>grab anything
>your shit army got stuck in ukraine
>your shit army got raped in chechnya
>your shit army got raped in afghanistan
>poland and baltics will annex your shithole if you try to invade them
So fucking fun sausage nigger

Hey bro, it must really suck to be in your place. BTW what happened to your propaganda channel that was sponsored by (((Kolomoyskiy)))?

>china
>serious threat
herro! this chinese navii!
u go!!!
meow
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No they didn't. You need to pay attention to WWII history before Pearl Harbor. Germany, Italy, and Japan signed the anti-comintern pact to formalize their alliance against the communists.

Germany had a non-aggression pact with Russia. That's not the same as being allies. They wanted the communist government in Russia destroyed above all else. The treaty of Versailles led to complications though, and they needed to fight countries that wouldn't allow them to have an offensive military.

This guy is right
t. Russia troll examinator

If you don't fight russia it'll be anudda shoah

why so mad you bleached nigger?
don't you have some mlp porn to fap to? :^)
i hope your AIDS will kill you
enjoy your poverty you pig fucker

You know, you could wait for about 10 or so years and shit would get pretty much fucked.

I'd rather work with Russians than turkroaches desu.

>Russia actively works against US interests
I think you mean "Obama's interests."

The average American has no desire to keep toppling governments in the middle east, and Putin has said before that he has positive opinions of American conservatives like Trump. He is by no means altering his agenda to be detrimental to US citizens, it wouldn't make any sense to do so. If you honestly believe that the actions of a world leader centers around you and your friends, you must be pretty delusional.

>They get some pacts about "not meddling in post Warsaw pact members" but they did

1. nation states decide by themselves if they want to join nato

2. correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure this agreement was not official therefore it was non binding.

>Poor Vlad /like he actually gives a fuck/

vlad giving a fuck is irrelevant, what is relevant is that everyone else gives a fuck and because they do, they forgo improving relations with russia.

you russians are like a killer who just killed someone and now are surprised you have to go to jail.

it is fucking pathetic actually.

Different ideologies. Rooskies think being "westernized" as being cucked. They don't want that shit. They'll continue to fight it until the last drop of blood, sweat and tears.

>I dont know what russian and belarus proxies are.

>Russian minority in Latvia accidentally riots.

How do you accidentally riot? Are they niggers?

Russia and Germany both invaded Poland to kick off WWII.

Dude 1945 was 70 years ago, get over it. Your grandma hasn't, i know, but she's dead already.

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>this agreement was not official
Yep, this was something like gentlemans pact
Russia wouldn't fell for this twice
>nation states decide by themselves if they want to join nato
Like Crimea decided to join Russia.
>vlad giving a fuck is irrelevant
I wouldn't completly disagree with this, but definetly wouldn't agree
>they forgo improving relations with russia.
Yea like everyone help Ukraine now and don't do Italian shit.
>you russians are like a killer
Da

When I say interests, I mean the desire to maintain economic foothold in the global economy. I'm not talking about public opinion.

It has nothing to do with public anti-war sentiment in the post-iraq war world. To quote you:
>If you honestly believe that the actions of a world leader centers around you and your friends, you must be pretty delusional.

Underrated. Millennials with their attention span can't remember what happened 5 minutes ago, before reverting back to #NotAllMuslims and voting for Hillary. Yet apparently they understand everything about WW2. LOL.

This faggot broken I need new.

Israel ethnically cleansed the Golan Heights and they get sanctioned less than Russia.

ready for ww3 fags?

international treaties are a scam, hohol. same for 'international law'.

they're tools that the powerful (read: USA) use to bind the weak to their will.

Germany was using their military offensively long before they invaded Poland. Poland was just where the Allies drew the line in the sand.

Russia did not have an alliance with Poland. The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was a non-aggression pact. Germany and Russia did divide Poland. That does not make them friends.

I highly recommend you read up on the anti-comintern pact. The axis existed to fight communism.

>Russia did not have an alliance with Poland
That was supposed to read:
Russia did not have an alliance with Germany

>Yep, this was something like gentlemans pact
>Russia wouldn't fell for this twice

but then your initial point on nato breaking international treaties was fallacious.

>Like Crimea decided to join Russia.

holding a mock referendum does not justify annexation no matter how you spin it.

>but then your initial point on nato breaking international treaties was fallacious.
Yeah, yeah. Fallacious, being not two-faced bastards is fallacious so deal with that.
>holding a mock referendum
Annexin territory from the mock country thru mock referendum?Pretty much sane if you ask me.

>poland and baltics will annex your shithole
>baltics will annex your shithole

lol yes with our combined forces of :
3 russian tanks stolen from russia late ww2
6 sandbags left here when they had to go away
20 transport cars(including small cars)
5 tractors from local farmers
12 bullets one for each high ranking officers but they dont fit any of our arms and are rusted cause some kids found em in some trench they got stone medals of honor for that.

did you seriously think that international law is worth anything? then you fell for the meme. sorry about that.


USA breaks international law left and right.
china breaks international law left and right.
israel breaks international law left and right.
russia breaks international law left and right.

international law is not binding. there is nobody who enforces it, so it is nothing but empty words on a few pieces of paper.

Ever since World War2, America has always had Penis envy against the Russians.

It's very primal, they see Russia has a large land mass, so they shit their pants and over react in everything, to the point Russia basically determines America's foreign policy.

Soviet goes to war with Afghanistan terrorists? America supports said terrorists and make them succeed.
Soviet goes to the space? America goes to the moon.
Soviet does X? America does the opposite of X, to prove the opposite of X is superior.
Soviet does Y? America does the opposite of Y.

but are not all laws like that?

though it is true that there is no international executive body that would uphold these laws, they are still binding as treaties between nations. and thus if someone were to break them they would call into question a nation's reputation or even worse: a nation's legitimacy(sovereignty).

iraq(for example) broke international treaties that would officially cause it to forgo its sovereignty multiple times. this fact legitimizes the war in Iraq in a international lens.

>"Only" 15 percent

Still disgusting. Anime and MLP must be destroyed.

>russia broke international treaties
So did NATO. Read something expect your ProtoUkr history once in a while. Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between NATO and the Russian Federation which was signed in Paris, France on 27 May 1997 for example.

BTW. How's your new president (((Poroshenko)))? Still routing profits from his Russian factory through offshore? Kek
occrp.org/en/panamapapers/ukraine-poroshenko-offshore/

Do you still seriously believe he's not working for Russia right fucking now? AHAHAHAHAHA

HHAHAHAHA
do you really think they INVADED ukraine? they simply arm the citizens living there and a small number of russian citizens and soldiers volunteer to fight there.
there is no large scale invasion of ukraine, don't believe your faggot media you stupid goy.

>being not two-faced bastards is fallacious so deal with that.

and yet it is thanks to russia's actions that nato has become so popular, funny that.

>Annexin territory from the mock country thru mock referendum?Pretty much sane if you ask me.

have you no legit answers that you must provide troll ones?


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>and yet it is thanks to russia's actions that nato has become so popular
Nigga wut?NATO is USSRs child.
>have you no legit answers
Yes i have none, like you have no legit president.

>mfw

Because the people in power are morons that hate Putin. Pic related, here is a quote by Putin in response to Hillary Clinton.

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

Its all relative.

Important countres dont adhere to the rules.

See: the USA

Especially when the alternatives are 1) get Crimea'd 2) get NATO'd

yes

except the small numbers of volunteers are more than half of the opposing force.

and ofcoarse there is the fact that russian military units attacked behind the front lines in late august 2014. this lead to the first minsk agreement on september 5 2014.

What does he have to gain by this? Is he going to invade?

1 (one) Russian brigade-strength unit raped your entire ATO force.
You're a fucking joke.
If they wanted to invade you they'd have their tanks in Kiev in 3-4 days.

yes, you are correct. breaking international treaties does generally lead to a loss of diplomatic reputation. other countries will generally be less likely to trust you in the future after you break a treaty you signed.

but again - pretty much everybody does it. all the big players outright break treaties as they see fit, so none of them are in a position where they can even pretend to give a shit about others breaking a treaty.

Russia has more than enough reason to fear the EU.
Its a superstate in the making thats been getting closer and closer every decade.

Islamic terrorism is a problem for the whole world, Russia is no stranger to islamic terrorism, of course they want to destroy ISIS.

Slavs seem pretty cool when it comes to bizarre dancing, drinking vodka and squatting.
HOWEVER
Slavs = chavs?

Because if you kill them, they win, of course!

1. smaller states are easier to influence politically
2. putin fears that the eu would start negotiating for shit like oil prices as a single entity, which may cause russia to lose billions.
3. putin can go an negotiate trade deals that distinctly favor russia with independent eu states.

Strengthen those sanctions, goyim. And take those refugee children. We must prepare to fight Russia. They are the enemy, goyim, don't you see that?

>Russia did not have an alliance with Germany
So what? The fact that their belligerent conduct started WWII is not in dispute.

Imagine if they used air power as well.

>thread

Putin supports Assad. Poland is an ally.

HOLY SHIT WHO GIVES A FUCK

YOU FUCKING RETARDS THE WORLD IS FALLING APART AND YOU FAGS ARE BITCHING AT EACHOTHER

MAKE THE FUCK UP

Polacks hate the west but they would be the first to suck America's sausage if Russia does anything.

blowing up more toyota pickup trucks will only help the japanese economy

Sweden is busier with interracial cuckold.
Germany is too into scat.

I'm surprised at that BR search though, it's a ton.

You are not against free world, aren't you? Are you even civilized to act this way? Russia will attack any minute like they did with poor Ukraine, goyim