Is Trump an alpha or a beta? I ask because I find it really hard to characterize him. On one hand...

Is Trump an alpha or a beta? I ask because I find it really hard to characterize him. On one hand, he is the most powerful man in the planet, has had multiple beautiful woman in his life and he is rich. On the other hand I find it difficult for him to be considered a Chad. He isn't very tall, his skin is horrible, he does not know how ot talk and it is pretty obvious his wives only tolerated him because of his money, so I don't know how to classify him.

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>alpha or a beta

What are you, 16?

He does whatever any 2-bit dictator tells him to do. He's clearly Putin's bitch. He pulls out of Turkey after a phone call with Erdogan. He implies that the Saudi prince gets to decide whether the U.S. will go to war with Iran. He gives Kim Jong Un a face-to-face meeting without getting one goddamn thing in return. No, he's not an alpha. He bullies people on Twitter and talks shit about women and disabled people. He would never say anything like that to the face of a real man.

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Yes.

I dunno. Is waiting to be told what to do by a bunch of shit skins alpha or beta?

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Is someone who is a blatant hypocrite alpha or beta?

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The guy is purest chad and always will be. I don't even like him but if he was any more of an alpha he'd be a parody of an alpha

I mean, he took over an entire political party against the desperate attempts of its leadership to stop him, and then got elected fucking president basically on sheer balls alone

>he is the most powerful man in the planet
he's an infant that failed upwards like many other people of inherited wealth
>as had multiple beautiful woman in his life
he bought them or offered them opportunities
>he is rich
he would be more wealthy if he had just put his inheritance into the stock market, google it

He's a beta. Just look at how Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Erdogan have played him.

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no he didnt

he got elected because the average american is a fucking retard, it had little to do with him

>He's clearly Putin's bitch.

Is that why his admin has increased sanctions on Russia and is sending greater amounts of weapons to the Ukraine?

Reality isn't black and white like chats/betas. It is dumb to pretend otherwise.

Trump is both, as are we all.

>this ShareBlue fury and anger

> He's clearly Putin's bitch

He's piled sanctions on Russia and is selling lethal weapons to the Ukrainians, which Obama refused to do and which has stopped the Russian incursion into Ukraine cold

>He pulls out of Turkey after a phone call with Erdogan.

Turkey is a NATO ally and has been for decades. You might mean "pulls out of Syria," a place where there is no war we're involved in and Congress has never voted to send American troops to

>He implies that the Saudi prince gets to decide whether the U.S. will go to war with Iran.

Saudi Arabia is an ally and has been for decades. Also how's that war in Iran going?

>He gives Kim Jong Un a face-to-face meeting without getting one goddamn thing in return.

What does this even mean? "We'll only negotiate with you if you give us everything we want first" is the retarded stance that made NK a nuclear power.

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lol

>everyone is dumb except me

You retards are the easiest people to fool in the world

Totally agree. All of these losers who say Trump is a bitch are completely delusional. You can hate the guy all you want but the fact remains he is a billionaire president married to a super model. If that is not alpha I dont know what is.

>Is that why his admin has increased sanctions on Russia and is sending greater amounts of weapons to the Ukraine?
That's Congress, not his administration.

>married to a super model
he's literally a cuck

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>Trump's terrible policies are good because they're what we've already been doing for decades

fascinating

That's not true

cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-russia-sanctions/index.html

cbsnews.com/news/russia-sanctions-trump-administration-targets-russians-over-attempted-2018-election-interference/

cnbc.com/2018/07/16/heres-where-trump-has-been-tough-on-russia--and-where-hes-backed-do.html

>super model
>porn actress
ftfy

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>literally doesn't know what he's talking about

Talking to your enemies is a new thing he's doing, which is why the corporate press keeps going on and on about "cozying up to dictators" because wars are good for ratings and great for their corporate owners, like how defense contractor giant General Electric owns a huge chunk of MSNBC

We tried the "We're not going to talk to NK until they do everything we want them to do first" for 20 years, during which the North Koreans said "ok fuck you," and then just went and developed nuclear and then thermonuclear weapons.

Same with Bush and the Iranians, "no negotiations until you do what we say!" And they just cheerfully worked away on their nukes.

Demanding the other side do what you want before you'll even talk with them defeats the whole point of negotiation. Everyone should be glad Trump's doing that. It might be the one undeniably bright spot in his foreign policy.

>3rd supermodel he's married in between the dozens of models, supermodels, and porn stars he's fucked in between and during

what a beta

And this is why he'll get re-elected. Left thinks ideas like border control and prioritizing US citizens over the rest of the world are retarded when the average American doesn't. People will take an idiot fighting for their interests over a "smart" guy fighting against their interests. Doesn't take a genius to see that.

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Which part of that is good policy? As far as I can see he has fucked the Iran situation and pushed the middle east closer to a war and his talks with NK have not brought any progress on either side.

>And they just cheerfully worked away on their nukes.

Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons? Why should Israel have nuclear weapons and not Iran? US needs to stay the fuck out of the Middle East altogether

First of all the talks with NK are a better starting point than any we've tried, and the mass troop pull out in the middle East was a big win for the average american.

Maybe a Delta

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Iran shouldn't have them because they will most likely use it in a terror attack. America has missile defences, so we couldn't care less, but eurofags aren't as lucky, this is for their peotection.

Hey, I think the uestion of the thread is Trump's male status, not his politics.

What does this have to do with his male status?

Look at pics of him when he was younger you dumbass

Dating, let alone marrying a stripper is not cash money, user.

>they will most likely use it in a terror attack

No they won't. There is no evidence for this whatsoever. Europe is valuable business for Iran. And Iran does not have a track record of launching random 'terror' attacks against countries. The US, however, does. US policy towards Iran is not remotely about protecting anyone from Iran, least of all Europe who face no threat from Iran, it's about the long term US goal of disarming and removing a non-compliant regime that is oriented against US 'interests' in the region, especially being an enemy of the aggressive and international law violating US allies Israel and Saudi Arabia.

any rich dufus can pay for a good looking whore, this is no accomplishment.

...and you think his first two wives are supermodels? You're a fool.

>As far as I can see he has fucked the Iran situation

He correctly noted that the Iran deal was like the TPP, an absolute nothing that made politicians look good. Now he's bringing Iran to the table for a better deal.

All the saber rattling is just theater. This guy has a better point:
Who cares if the Iranians get nukes, other than the Israelis?

>...and you think his first two wives are supermodels?

>Ivana Zelnickova and Marla Maples were not supermodels

uh ok

>TPP

Shit, I meant Paris Accords

On that note, he killed TPP and that is another thing that he should get praise for.

If you're so blinded by Red Team vs Blue Team thinking that you think the other team's guy can't do anything right, you need to stay out of the voting booth.

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> he is rich
Trading on the family name. Inherited a lot of money from dad, managed to not bungle it away through 6+ bankruptcies (including casinos).

> has had multiple beautiful woman in his life
He's rich. If not, he'd be very alone and single, 'cause he's an ass.

> he is the most powerful man in the planet
Ran for publicity not really expecting to win -- proof is totally surprised and the "holy-shit, what now" reaction to election results.

Oh, I see the problem.
You don't know the definition of the word "supermodel."
Fair enough.

That's right, I forgot the Supermodel Law of 1981 that legally defined who a supermodel is and who's just a regular old lady who makes huge money for being beautiful.

Let's just say that at minimum Trump's nutted in about three dozen women who are of a quality you or I will never touch

A dumb man's smart man
A poor man's rich man
A weak man's strong man

I love how you losers try to discredit achievemants of others. It just makes make you look pathetic. Im making no statement on trump just a comment on you

>delusion
>Trading on the family name. Inherited a lot of money from dad, managed to not bungle it away through 6+ bankruptcies (including casinos).

He was a billion dollars in the hole in the early 1990s, long after his dad had retired. He got back on top by himself.

>He's rich. If not, he'd be very alone and single, 'cause he's an ass.

lmao confirmed for virgin, girls love jerks

>Ran for publicity not really expecting to win -- proof is totally surprised and the "holy-shit, what now" reaction to election results.

I love the leftist doublethink here

>drumpf wanted to be President so bad he colluded with Russia to win!
>drumpf never wanted to be President, he won by accident!

Both those posts are me...

But yeah Trump is wrong that the deal was bad, it was pretty much the best deal they could hope for between two enemy states that had zero trust for each other. Iran was under strict observation and was known to be closely following the terms of the deal i.e. making no moves towards nuclear enrichment / production of nuclear weapons. The only parties that disagreed on this were the Israeli government and elements of the US government that have long wanted regimne change in Iran. Trump's brutal sanctions regime against Iran is not going to bring Iran to negotiate, it's going to back them into a corner where their only option for self-preservation is to start a nuclear programme (which may well be the aim of the sanctions and war threats of the US, with the long term goal of regime change, with nuclear programme as the justification). Besides, it is simply not justifiable to use sanctions to devastate a civilian economy in order to supposedly counter a non-existent nuclear programme, that in any case is no business of the US.

Ptetty deep there genius.

>Im a faggot's faggot

>Iran was under strict observation and was known to be closely following the terms of the deal i.e. making no moves towards nuclear enrichment / production of nuclear weapons.

Except that they were, because nothing in the text of the deal actually prohibited them from continuing uranium enrichment, and they were "self-inspecting" to make sure they didn't accidentally run reactor-grade fuel through an additional 50 cascades to produce weapons-grade material. It was an insane deal.

It was just a few months ago that the IAEA went into a facility that the Israelis said was being used to store secret enriched uranium stocks and illegal enrichment equipment, and that the Iranians said was a carpet warehouse. Well, guess what the IAEA found

reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-exclusive-idUSKCN1VT0L8

And all those restrictions, which the Iranians weren't even abiding by, evaporate in some years, so the Iran nuclear deal just gave away 90% of the West's economic leverage in exchange for the Iranians totally promising to pause their nuclear program for a decade or two (long enough for those politicians to retire)

That said, I see no reason why Iran shouldn't have nukes. But the deal was a joke.

>actually thinking about shit in these terms
You gotta escape this hell site broe

Most people find him repulsive and he's rich because his dad was rich. Simple as that.

>push self from $-900 million net worth in 1991 to $3-10 billion in 2016
>his dad was rich!

lmao

Let's not forget that he's climbed out of bankruptcy multiple times, something plenty of Americans can't even do once. The biggest lie Americans believe is that a multi-billionaire has average intelligence.

Yeah, it's pretty classic loser mentality to think "I could be rich too if I'd only had X!"

It's like the millions of fat middle aged men who played high school ball and totally could've gone pro if there'd just been a scout in the audience that one game

No, operating at an elite level of pretty much anything requires high intelligence, social skills and elite work ethic, as well as luck