How do I not get held accountable for drunk fools getting into trouble when I’m the one who threw the party?

How do I not get held accountable for drunk fools getting into trouble when I’m the one who threw the party?

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It's because you threw the party. When people start getting out of control, toss them from the party. If they refuse, call the cops. Your party, your responsibility. Most laws are about treating adults like kids one way or another. It sucks.

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You don't. Your party, your responsibility. It's the same thing as a bar getting sued because they over served someone and they killed someone in a car wreck.

a) do not throw party
b) there is no b)

wat? So if I invite friends over, they drink, then go home, but instead of calling a cab someone decides to drive on his own and kills someone, I will be held responsible? What a load of bs.

A visitor is a grey area, usually, the visitor is at fault. Party, however, you are responsible for the guests. Stupid but true.

Yeah, that's why a lot of places have a "key bowl" or something to that effect. Everyone coming in tosses their car keys into a big container. You don't leave without talking to the guy running the party, and if he sees you're drunk, he calls you a cab.

no way would I be held responsible for someone disobeying my orders and driving drunk, maybe only in your stupid murrica.

I’ve been to parties like that before. In the 1970s. Different ending to the night.....

Stupid Amerifags, this is why your country is not the greatest in the world as you seem to think. Why the fuck would you be held responsible for someone else’s actions.

You can't. Most states have laws in place that put blame as the event organizer/property owner if you knew they were there.

Dumbass swingers.

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as long as you know that nobody is leaving after they get completely blasted you should be good. that really just means you need to expect to call cabs or have enough space for a bunch of retards to crash and sleep off the liquor.
private property is a bitch and there are responsibilities that come with it to ensure the well being of the community. go walk your public footpaths and get arrested at a pub for bring drunk and wrong think you EU cuckboy.

If you provide someone with the intoxicant and then knowingly allow them to commit the crime of drunk driving, you're an accessory to that crime.

Or should you not be in trouble for driving a getaway car during a bank robbery? It's not like YOU robbed the bank, after all.

Kek, yeah because driving a getaway car for a bank robber, is totally the same as some douche drinking your beer and driving home.

Hmm, we are expected to take responsibility for our own actions Amerifag.

That’s a problem for America though! (See Kurds)

In our country, you have the right to stop a crime if it's in your power. You also have the responsibility to do so.

To be fair, my comparison was a bit shit. Here's one that's a bit closer. You see a girl being raped. Instead of calling the police, or stopping the attack, you stand there and watch.

Should you be punished?

>>get arrested at a pub for bring drunk and wrong think you EU cuckboy.
wat? you speak english? You're saying we don't have private property here drumpfhboi?

how the fuck is that the same? If someone leaves my party without me even knowing about it, how the fuck am I gonna be held responsible?

YOU PROVIDED THE BOOZE DUMBASS, THAT'S HOW

Obvious answer is to party all night so they pass out at your place. ie tell the fucks they sleep in their own vomit on your floor or they should not bother coming.

It's no different than you bring held accountable for providing to a minor. You served the booze.

If you're having a party where you KNOW people are gonna be getting drunk, then you know there's a chance of them leaving drunk.

Easy solution. Ssecure their car keys when they enter. If they're too drunk to drive, you hold onto them.

If you're not willing to take that basic level of precaution to protect the community, you don't need to throw a party. If you choose to do so anyway, you do it at your own risk.

Better comparison, but how can you have a legal responsibility to stop a crime?

If say, the guy got wasted, left his car, but smashed up a shop on the way home, what’s the law then?

Exactly. Friends don't let friend's drive drunk, if you do you're a piece of shit.

SO WHY DONT GUN SHOPS GET HELD RESPONSIBLE EVERY TIME THEY SELL A GUN TO SOMEONE WHI SHOOTS SOMEONE RETARD?

You're fucked

The difference is, driving is something you could reasonably predict him doing. Smashing up the shop isn't.

ok, let's be clear once and for all - in my country (EU), people are held responsible for their own actions, I as a host, don't have to ensure that anyone participating takes a cab or whatever, it's entirely their problem, what they do when the
they leave. Your laws suck.

The same reason auto manufacturers don't get sued for car wrecks.

Guns are not an intoxicating substance, they are an inanimate object. Does your shitty 3rd world country not have basic education?

*tweek scream*

because the law requires a waiting period specifically so that hotheads don't just run to get a gun to shoot someone.

Your country fucking sucks.

What if he said he wasn’t going to drive, got drunk, drive home?

Just seems a really weird situation that in the US you’ve got to take these precautions. As has been said, in the UK the drunk driver would be the only one responsible.

Yeah, because that really stops shootings doesn’t it?

Guns are far more dangerous than beer. I think you know that.

You're completely responsible for your own actions in America, however if you knowingly let someone drive away from your property intoxicated and you did not immediately call the police you are potentially responsible, you won't get a dui.

More people die from drink driving and alcohol related deaths worldwide than all gun deaths. How can you be so fucking ignorant?

Ah but calling the police is different to ignoring it. I agree you’d be in a dodgy situation if you just ignored it, but calling the police is not the same as stopping the crime?

and if he says he's gonna call the cab but then after leaving decides to drive himself after all? Still my fault?

it forces people to stop and think for a few days. 60% of our shootings are blacks shooting blacks for no good reason anyway, and none of them get their guns from a gun shop because they get them underground illegally. i replied to someone asking about gun shops. those generally cater to white males who might be in a really bad mood one day but... white males have a real mind and might chill out over a week.

you don't know us.

Because I don't take care of other people? Wait, isn't this...SOCIALISM?

Well that's why the key collecting is the best idea. If he lies and gets drunk, you can just hold on to his keys until he sobers up.

But if you have no reason to suspect that he'll be drinking (if it's a dry party, for instance), then you don't bear any responsibility for what he does. The whole thing hinges on the notion that you're the one giving him the booze.

Keep telling yourself guns are fine then. I’m sure there won’t be any more shootings

source needed for those claims

Say you have a bring your own booze party? You’ve advised the bring beer, but are not providing it.

>you don’t know us

I know you guys shoot a lot of people.

Yes. You didn't take his keys. You can still be charged.

Keep watching that jew media sheep

One beer can’t kill you. One gun can.

and that's why murrica sucks - responsibility is shifted from a bunch of grown people to one person, like they're fucking children who don't know what they're doing.

You do though. Don’t you?

This

This is a load of bullshit and you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You still have a responsibility to stop a crime you know could occur in Europe, unless you live in some shithole like greece. Serve the booze, you're responsible for people not driving afterwards. T. Netherlands

Wrong.

Ah good point. I should correct myself. It's not giving them the booze exactly. It's more like, creating the situation where you could expect people to be drinking.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Just like a hammer doesn't kill someone unless some psychopath hits someone in the head with it. A tool is a tool but you're too fucking stupid to know the difference.

Fucking stupid eurocunts

sit down, watch shit unfold, call cops when it goes too far. how the fuck can you be held responsible for other grown ups actions?

Scared much?

Not that user, but guns are a different argument. One we could certainly have, if you want. But not related to the party idea.

Unless you have a gun party, and someone nearby gets shot. Then you might be responsible. But even us Americans don't have gun parties

...but maybe we should...

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oh so EU is Netherlands only now? Each country has a different set of rules you dumb cunt, I think I know what laws we have here.

It's called you're responsible for what happens on your property.

Here's a good example, your buddies come over and get drunk on your alcohol, wayyy drunk and decides to play with a gun and one guy gets shit dead. You can be charged with accessory because you let them get that drunk.

wouldn't it be invasion of privacy, when I ask if someone drinking at my party is going to drive home?

yeah, but they LEAVE my property and then commit a crime.

does anyone here actually have any examples of such cases?

It's a crime to even be armed while drunk. So if he was armed, and you gave him booze, you're 100% on the hook for that.

>waiting period
>lol what kinda commie state you live in

the solution is simple, you don't throw a party

Not at all. They're on your property, you can ask whatever you want. You can even demand them to give up their car keys, as I stated earlier. Obviously, they can still say no, and then you tell them to leave. Which is why you do it before they drink.

Weird how you keep talking about EUROPE and how americans are the ones that have those laws then. You just live in a shithole country where people watch crimes happen with no compassion or responsibility towards their fellow man. Quite a bit of the world is civilised.

when do i fuck the owner of the keys?

When they ask for them back. You have all of them suck your dick at the same time.

so if they vomit, that means they're too drunk to drive home!

Exactly. But you can give them anal to sober them up.

how the fuck do I watch crime happening? Just because I don't pry my nose in everyones lives, doesn't mean I watch a crime being commited, it's not my business or my problem what grown people do after having a party at my place. And YOU talk about compassion towards fellow man? Do you have a single-payer healthcare in murrica, cunt?

Shit tier country totally jewed

You ARE, nothing else..

tell them you have hamburgers disease

Imagine not obeying the chosen people.

>oy vey

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>How do I not take responsibility for my responsibility

Other than having every guest sign a liability contract? Which would be fucking stupid but....I'm sure rich people do that shit.

No
No.

You guys are special. Now if you FORCED them to drink AND hadn't taken reasonable precaution to secure YOUR gun, sure. The rest of what you said is dumb af.

Hey guys if someone gets shot and any of those people were at a bar, the bar is liable!

Just no.

Nah, if you knowingly enable, and allow someone to commit a crime, you're responsible if someone gets hurt as a result.

It stops exactly what he just said it stops. It ELIMINATES nothing because ahurrr, no form of control has ever been perfect.

that's stupid AF, so you should hide all knives, scissors etc beforehand, because they can be used for a crime? What about a heavy vase, it could be used to bash in someone's skull?

No you don't lol. In the US either. Tell the judge you were scared for ghvcghxxgv reason. Can they prove you wrong? Will a jury smash onto someone that didn't actually DO something. Young ass pseudolawyer babies

So genius. Explain. How do you KNOWINGLY enable something you DID NOT forsee or premeditate?

Wanna roll that one around? Fucking dense.

The crime I was thinking of would be possessing a firearm while intoxicated. If you know he's armed, and you give him booze anyway, you're putting people in danger.

Just having scissors in the room doesn't give you any reason to expect that he's going to do harm with them.

If you know a man has a loaded gun on him, and your give him alcohol to drink, and you don't FORSEE something going wrong, you're an absolute fucking retard, and you deserve to be locked up.

Neither does a gun, a lighter, a pocket knife, a garden hose....but guess what...

>IF YOU KNOW THIS ONE CERTAIN SITUATION THAT I PARTICULARLY DESIGNED THEN

Christ you're a sore losing idiot

The situation we were discussing was giving a man a loaded firearm while he's drunk, or getting him drunk while he has one. Not just having one in the vicinity. Stop shifting goalposts.

That's the situation we were discussing, you fucking retard. I can't lose an argument I'm not having.

Who is that boi he cute

He's the original loggy boi.

Oh now we are giving it to him lol. And if not giving him one searching him for firearms AND checking if the breach is clear.

It's funny you say stop shifting goalposts when you're the one narrowing the shit out of the situation to make it fit and then saying...I won't have a discussion if you think I'm wrong! Nyah!

Lmao this is good stuff, hit me again.

I never said I wouldn't have the discussion. Beautiful how you misread even the simplest words. I said, and I quote

>I can't lose an argument I'm not having.

Meaning the imaginary conversation you're thinking of. You know, the one where you DON'T look like a mongoloid. It doesn't exist.

that's boi george