>Is a Disappointing Ghost in the Shell the Nail in the Coffin of Hollywood Whitewas
>It’s become increasingly impossible to ignore general social pushback when it comes to Asian representation in film and television. Whether it’s cut-and-dried whitewashing (e.g., casting a white performer in an Asian role) or slightly more complex cases of cultural appropriation, the hue and cry from progressive voices in film and TV criticism has called for an end to white leads in Asian and Asian-inspired properties.
>According to Box Office Mojo, in its first weekend, Ghost in the Shell pulled in approximately $20 million domestically on a $110 million budget—below even the conservative prediction that site made earlier in the week. That number looks even more anemic when compared with Lucy, Johansson’s R-rated 2014 film, which pulled in $43.8 million on its opening weekend. Unlike Ghost in the Shell, Lucy wasn’t based on a pre-existing property and didn’t have an established fanbase to draw on. But the Johansson casting has clearly alienated fans of the original manga and anime versions of Ghost in the Shell, and their dampened enthusiasm appears to have discouraged newcomers as well.
no one wanted a gits live action movie whitewashing is (((their))) baked in excuse for the failure
Levi Bell
more like Ghost in the Tacobell
Andrew Gray
I didn't care about the whitewashed casting. What bothers me is they shit on the original plot and message.
Parker Davis
Yeah sure m8 everyone would totally watch GITS, but they're boycotting it cause of Scarjo.
Just like how they're boycotting Iron Fis--- fuck!
James Perez
it was just a generic scifi action movie. it's biggest crime was a few good sequences but overall being dull. certainly not a bad movie, just forgettable
it undoubtedly would've made LESS if it didn't have scarjo as the lead
but because this is the age of political correctness bullshit, we'll have 28058209 pieces on "muh whitewashing"
meanwhile, mainland japs don't care and some were actually glad because they were afraid hollywood would cast asian, but not japanese, and would end up with a chinese actress instead keks
asian-americans are HATED by mainland asians, but AA's will never talk about it publicly.
Lincoln Foster
Holy shit. just because its a movie about a character going to another country doesn't make it whitewashing. Characters need to be outsiders, so we can experience the world with them
Liam Murphy
The Great Wall wasn't whitewashed. It got bad reviews and looked like shit from the beginning. Same shit happened with ghost and the shell
Nolan Young
I thought iron fist was always white? also, isn't iron fist doing great on netflix?
Nicholas Cox
He was and I believe it is. Something like the most viewed Marvel/Netflix show opening yet, I think.
Daniel Turner
So if Iron Fist is a bomb then Daredevil season 1 and season 2, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones must have been fucking disasters. Being that Iron Fist had more people watching it, and watching all of it than the others mentioned.
The great wall has also made almost 350 million. Jesus fuck they're just giving any monkey with a pen the ability to write articles aren't they.
There is no social pushback. There are a bunch of loud obnoxious fucks (mostly the critics) saying that this is bad because race because of blah and blah... but people have started realizing that critics don't know shit.
Elijah Thomas
>With it bombing this means no more anime adaptations
Alexander Bailey
Maybe they should try making better movies instead. Nobody gives a flying fuck if the lead is white, asian or black as long as it works.
Henry Garcia
Wait. Lucy was R rated? And GitS wasn't. Someone fucked up here somewhere.
Carter Lopez
its now raciss to not hand over your money
Ryder Ross
>Jesus fuck they're just giving any monkey with a pen the ability to write articles aren't they. >There is no social pushback. There are a bunch of loud obnoxious fucks (mostly the critics) saying that this is bad because race because of blah and blah... but people have started realizing that critics don't know shit.
Well the kind of agenda based factless reporting this article is hardly new. Plus in situations or rather on subjects like this that's basically movie review or "pop-culture" review. There aren't a great deal of people who are going to get up in arms about it. Although it does also happen a great deal in relevant news as well and I don't see any huge backlash about it until the President started the whole "fake news" thing.
Asher Howard
>Iron Fist >whitewashing He was always white. SJWs sure are stupid
Elijah Taylor
Actually, the article implies the other way. Trying to write a narrative fans didn't go because of whitewashing and thus they were fighting "the man" by not forking over money.
Not that it was just a shitty shallow adaptation.
Aaron Lee
>Hollywood whitewashing
>image of a character that was always white >image of a movie MADE IN FUCKING CHINA BY FUCKING CHINESE PEOPLE
Luke Campbell
Do have a source on that, Netflix never releases their ratings and shit
James Sanchez
What was The Great Walls budget? The reason they used Matt Damon was to make sure it appealed to the Western markets. Just like fucking Hollywood puts Asians in to appeal to their markets.
Has anybody thought that GITS was appealing to Western markets and would have done even worse with a no-named Nip, or even worse, a no-named Chink or Gook actor?
GITS was made because it had an established name and an established story, meaning production costs are cut as it's a lot easier to write a script with a story to pick and choose bits from rather than using the story.
What Nips might find interesting, Westerns will not. Indians love 15 min long musical numbers in their films, so much so they get up and dance with them, but you can bet your fucking life savings on a 15 min long musical number in an action film not going down well. Even La-La Land split up the musical with huge chunks of regular screen content.
Lincoln Perry
great now every movie will have extra talentless niggers and spics to fill the colored quota. You happy Sup Forums ?
Gavin Hill
>complex cases of cultural appropriation
Stopped reading right there.
Christian Howard
>what went wrong?
It was the adaptation no one asked for or wanted, and you can't just adapt an anime into live action. People watch anime for the style, the atmosphere that animation can make. It's like asking why I chose a print of Van Gogh's Sunflowers versus just a photograph of sunflowers in a vase.
Blake Thompson
>the film bombed because of white washing >not because it looked shit, was based on japanese cartoons, and starred Johansson who's a shitty unconvincing actress
Julian Russell
It's not that she's white it's because she's a shrill sjw warrior loudmouth cunt.
I feel like most commentaters have never read or watched GitS, regardless of whether or not it was whitewashing.
Cameron Morgan
Eh, Iron Fist was a success with viewers, which is what counts.
I seriously doubt GITS was let down by any whitewashing, 99% of the potential movie audience have no idea of what GITS is, so how could they be upset.
Of course this was the problem, GITS is not something that will sell on name, and a fat Scarjo in a ridiculous rubber condom is not going to draw a large movie audience.
From the trailers it looked neither fun nor exciting, some dystopian future landscape, and a bad looking Scarjo in some run-of-the-mill action sequences.
I don't think Valerian will do great either for many of the above reasons, but atleast it will do MUCH better than this by simply the virtue of signaling some humour in it's trailers.
Lucas Hernandez
>With it bombing this means no more anime adaptations
Party hard.
Nolan Martinez
you mean how like they already do?
Oliver Long
Iron Fist was white in the comics.
Really somebody needs to write and article pointing out the hypocrisy of so-called "colourblind casting", i.e. typically white characters portrayed by black actors being heralded as progress by Hollywood when in the same breath they'll refuse to cast Asians in a film about predominantly Japanese characters ostensibly set in Hong Kong, because I believe that's honestly a contributing factor to audiences staying away from this.
Benjamin Brown
>Whitewashing Or maybe people are tired of that giant beaked "actress", though someone named "Motoko Kusanagi" should probably be Japanese
Dont care about the 52 marvel series on netflix
Great Wall looked like ass from the first trailer and Damon is playing a European in the movie
Jayden Gonzalez
Well that's most of the problem. No one knows about GitS and those that do wont like this adaption.
Asher Peterson
What about Deathnote?
Kayden Nguyen
It deserved to bomb. But mainly for managing to rape the source material badly. It's almost an insult to the franchise.
Zachary Myers
WHITE PEOPLE YOU BETTER START FUCKING RUNNING
WE'RE GONNA KILL EVERY WHITE BOI AND INSEMINATE EVERY WHITE WOMB WITH BLACK SEED
Parker Harris
Don't care that she's white. I care that they casted a 4'11" pudgy, aging Jewish dwarf to play the fucking Major.
Jackson Green
Source material sucked and was ripped off blade runner.
GitS17 is a solid 5/10 sci-fi.
Grayson Rogers
When Death Note comes out are they going to complain about white washing while ignoring the black washing?
Christopher Hughes
>asians are better off by every metric in America than whitey >still get mad about film representation like it's not a single california-based industry but instead it's society at large
Lucas Jones
They should do an adaptation of Afro Samurai and have a chink play the lead role.
Hilarity would ensue.
Luis Ramirez
They already have bitched about the whitewashing and have ignored the blackwashing.
Nathan Robinson
Yeah, the issue is CLEARLY whitewashing and not people being disinterested in live action anime remakes.
2006 Japanese Death Note movie bombed and was shit without whitewashing. Same with the 2015 Attack on Titan which actually had reverse white washing. But hey, ignore those and focus on the American live action animes that bombed too, like Dragon Ball or Avatar TLA.
Jackson Bell
The Matt Damon thing is pretty jarring. But the film was made by a Chinese company? Weird
Ryder Ross
Has nothing to do with white washing, name one anime that was turned into live action which was GOOD? I'm waiting.
Kayden Stewart
oy vey this (((white))) actress is the reason my horrible film$$$ are tanking. Less whites pls
us whites huh?
Lincoln Mitchell
Do you mean by Hollywood or do Jap movies count?
James Ramirez
american noone gives a shit about jap shit.
James Collins
Rurouni Kenshin
Jason Baker
This is why we need less whites. White people must be exterminated, white women must be inseminated either through will or through force we will breed the racism out of them.
Luis Butler
or more simply: bad movies are just bad also >pic related Who will whitewash them in the inevitable biopic?
Jeremiah Reed
Speed Racer
Ryder Wilson
Let's hoqe it's successful and these things get kicked into high gear.
It and Battle Angel Alita.
Tyler Long
There was already sone bullshit about whitewashing light. but no complaints of L being black go figure the deathnote adaption may be the final nail in the coffin when released
Lincoln Lopez
Diverse casting makes it immune to criticism and it will win awards.
Jayden Richardson
Scar Jo isn't a lead actress, no matter how hard they keep trying to push it.
Matthew Murphy
Nail in the coffin for whitewashing means nail in the coffin for anime adaptations
How many Asian-American actors can you even name?
Do you want everyone in a movie be played by CGI Jacky Chan and what do you see Kaneda? Who the fuck would watch that?
Caleb Roberts
Why is Iron fist lumped in there? I know internet critics tried to will it to death but it's Netflix's most successful show ever.
Also you can't whitewash a white character.
Ian Cooper
Anime nerds don't want anime adapted.
SJWs won't see it because "whitewashing."
Normies won't see it because they don't like anime.
Brayden Watson
Did Vanity Fair seriously judt accuse a chinese movie of whitewashing?
Asher Foster
>only the latest financial fallout of asian erasure
Which were the others? Iron Fist did great and that Matt Damon movie was made by the chinese and he was cast specifically to play a white guy.
John Clark
Why the fuck are they attributing whitewashing to GITs?
Has it been released in Asian markets yet?
Its just a movie no one wanted
Dominic Myers
This I love GiTS but fuck Hollywood and fuck anime adaptations
Luke Jones
A lot of misconceptions in one post.
William Ramirez
Asians hate everyone.
Vietnamese hate Filipinos who hate Koreans who hate the Japanese who hate the Chinese who hate the Thai who hate the Pacific Islanders who hate Cambodians who hate Laotians who hate Mongolians who hate Tibetan who hate the Nepalese.
Every one of those groups can be swapped around for your convenience.
Asians are probably the most racist and xenophobic people in the world.
Brody Clark
Akira is getting an adaption. Attack on Titan is getting an adaption. Fucking MONSTER HUNTER is getting an adaptation.
This shit is only going to grow, user.
Kevin Garcia
I think they lump in "whitewashing" with cultural appropriation.
Aaron Miller
The movie was mostly funded by two huge ASIAN corporations
Someone please point this out to the liberal SJW lunatics while they're doing their daily anti white bashing
Christopher James
Iron Fist was a trainwreck.
Sebastian Morris
Wow its almost like the vast majority of normie people doesnt give a fuck about jap cartoons.
Camden Campbell
How is Danny being white "whitewashing"? I dont get it, he's canonically white.
Evan Sullivan
Name one.
Joseph Thompson
Iron Fist is great and it's Netflix's most binged show
Thomas Rogers
Maybe it means no more live action Anime adaptations where they cast the Japanese lead character with a white person. I don't hate Johannsen or anything, although I think a Black Widow movie would have been cool back when they were casting for the Ghost in the Shell movie.
Actually, some people do care if the lead character is Asian or not in a Western adaptation of Asian media. Even in Edge of Tomorrow, which is based on a Japanese light novel, they still should have casted an Asian or Asian-American as the lead. The United States is becoming more and more diverse, well the racist bigot named Donald Trump is trying to put a stop to that, but still, the U.S. is a diverse country and representation matters.
The both of you redneck hill-billy kkklansmen need to fucking die.
Dylan Thompson
>Speed Racer You mean the critically panned money losing box office failure? > $43,945,766 domestically and $93,945,766 worldwide.[2] Based on its total gross, it was considered a box office bomb >Rotten Tomatoes ranked Speed Racer as "rotten", with 39% > Metacritic 37 out of 100 >"a kindergartner's art class collage". > "yields heretofore undreamed of levels of narrative incoherence" > "it sags in its midsection"
You mean that speedracer???
American Hollywood only of course animu gonna do decent in animu land.
Bentley Brooks
>SJWs won't see it because "whitewashing." BRUH
Jace Gonzalez
Thank fuck. It's about time something thought back against Disney and Marvel.
Parker Jenkins
What about Malayans? Cambodians? Burmese? Singaporean? Hong Kongers? Taiwanese?
Hunter Walker
They couldn't find any real recent examples of white washing so they had to make due with Iron Fist and that chinese movie starring Matt Damon, hoping their audience is too stupid to look into it, which they are probably right about.
Dominic Richardson
Can't wait for Attack on Titan accusations of whitewashing when everyone is White except for that one chick
Isaac Murphy
scarjo being in it isnt why it failed it failed because weebs dont wanna watch shot they like get ruined and normies dont like anime anyone who didnt see this flopping from a mile away needs their head examined
Gavin Wright
>asian makes a cheeseburger >"wow, what a great burger!"
>white guy makes sushi >"CULTURAL APPROPRIATION THIS IS LITERALLY RAPE"
Nathaniel Morgan
>What went wrong. Bad casting. Bad story. >Ghost in the Shell is to introspective and philosophical, so we had to tone it down for audiences because we felt they wouldn't understand it. Nothing screams asshole more then that. >Audiences are to stupid to understand simple story, so lets pew pew it up.
Dominic Hill
>thought
Evan Perry
GiTs would have been shit with or without whitewashing, black widow being major was the least of that movies problem. IF is doing great and non-critics with agendas like it, also dany rand is a white guy. Great Wall is a fictional story about monsters and shit and Damons character is European and the movie was made by a Chinese company so that's just SJW being offended on behalf of others.
Gavin Murphy
Maybe, but a commercially fairly successful trainwreck and it sure as hell didn't have any "asian erasure" in it.
Jason Harris
>the great wall >hollywood whitewashing
seriously these dumb, dumb motherfuckers
Gabriel Hernandez
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Adam Phillips
Damon was playing a Roman anyway
Little fun fact, China is obsessed with Romans
Aaron Perez
People can like anime. If they like comic books, they can like anime.
Also I'm pretty sure that anime fans welcome adaptations. Ignore Sup Forums, those people are a basket case.
Zachary Gomez
Daily reminder.
Brody Roberts
You are an ugly, anti white racist asshole
The Great Wall and GITS were both heavily financed by Asian companies
That's the hilarious irony here
Aiden Adams
>some people do care if the lead character is Asian or not in a Western adaptation of Asian media No they don't. They care if the movie is true to the source material. Ever heard anyone complaining that harry potter wasn't a pakior """""asian"""""? I sure as shit haven't.
Camden Adams
This. It's the same reason Neflix's massacre of Death Note is going to fail.
Hollywood is terrified to give the Japanese due diligence.
Caleb Diaz
>why aren't these characters named Bernd and Edward Japanese
Jose Butler
You know Citizen Kane was a failure in its day too, right?
Jonathan Bennett
Can confirm. Personally my family doesn't trust niggers, my grandma thinks they're all dirty criminals who smell like dried piss.
Anthony Baker
Sadly, you're wrong. It's not that people don't understand, it's people don't WANT to understand. They look at their phones and shit during a film. So you gotta have an easy to follow storyline that can be understood if you look down at your phone every 5 mins. Action keeps them paying attention.
Ryan Foster
Asians are not box office draws. Thats just a fucking fact. Closet they got is Jackie Chan.