Should Police be allowed to shoot criminals on the run...

Should Police be allowed to shoot criminals on the run? Why don't they ever shoot legs to immobilize and wait for backup especially if they appear to be unarmed?

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>Why don't they ever shoot legs
They normally aim for the pinky toe
turned out that blacks have their brain there, so they rarely survive

Its a terrible idea to have cops routinely discharging their weapons in public. Make the fitness tests more strict and make they could actually give chase.

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Cop in OPs pic is charged with murder fyi. Texas prison gonna love him.

no, cops have a right to defend themselves, not deliver street justice
the cop shot that guy in cold blood then tampered with the evidence and claimed the guy was going for his taser
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott
he's being charged with murder

>Should Police be allowed to shoot criminals on the run?
They are.

>officer shoots nigger in the legs
>nigger falls down and draws gun
>nigger shoots officer in the head.

>aiming for legs
>aiming for legs on a moving target

have you ever shot a gun in your life?

Maybe criminals shouldn't run.

>Why don't they ever shoot legs to immobilize
Because they miss more than they hit to start with. It's not really that easy. You should go to a rent and shoot range sometime and see if you can even hit body mass on a static silhouette.

Also, they get sued by said criminals all the time for less.

>Why don't they ever shoot legs to immobilize
Might aswell shoot them in the head, at least that way it wont be a slow death

>and claimed the guy was going for his taser
I'm sure once a jury sees the taser lines wrapped up between the two of them, they'll believe him.

you can hit, but you can still hit a major artery, you cant get close to stop the bleeding because they arent dead and can kill you as you approach, but still they live longer than with shots to kill

so cops have no firearm training?

This. I don't mind if I cop shoots someone resisting arrest, but you need to get your fatass running after someone. I don't want cops magdumping after some 16 year old spooked kid. Police have horrible accuracy and I would rather not have rounds striking my house or a little girl riding her bike.

Because combat is without guarantee and aiming for legs is deliberate sadiatic maiming if you win and enabling a rapist to escape with reckless use of a firearm if you lose.
And, if they did shoot legs, the "conversation" would be about how unacceptable it is that they shoot legs.

baka.com.au/nsw/graphic-footage-police-shooting-of-armed-man-at-westfield-hornsby-caught-on-smartphone-20160609-gpfq4e.html

Maybe if your police weren't so fucking fat they could, y'know, chase them?

There are extremely few people alive who, even given unlimited training, could consistently hit a moving person in the legs at farther than 10 feet.

>Police have horrible accuracy and I would rather not have rounds striking my house or a little girl riding her bike.
sadly this needs to happen for a change

not aiming center mass has a super high chance of missing your target and killing someone you didn't want to

please do not ever buy a gun using your logic, you will be a danger to everyone. always shoot center mass, not for the legs, not for the head.

second reason, you only use a gun in self defense in fear for your life; if you're just looking to disable someone, you're not in immediate danger and you will be tried for murder.

Minimal. I've spent the past 10 years as an 11B. Military and LE firearms training, by and large, is fucking pitiful bro.

Your training teaches you to shoot twice in the center of mass, faggot.

Not unless the person poses an imminent and credible threat to others. Even niggers should get due process in this country. You don't want to live in a country without due process.

Remember user, police are not required to protect you under most circumstances. You are responsible for your own safety.

Okay, let's play your game.
Now law doesn't exist any more. All I need to break any law and get away with it is to have exactly the obstacle course environment where American blacks live.

I always gotta laugh when I see fat inner city cops. I live in a mid-upper class white area. All the cops are /fit/ late 20s early 30s. The only fat ones are the ones on their way out. But let's also not act like all yuro cops are /fit/ either.

That varies from dept to dept. I can tell you that Albuquerque Police are generally competent even under stress. Something like 70% or 80% of the people that they shoot die, which is much higher than average.

Faggot OP gets his firearms knowledge from movies.

>Why didn't the cop just use a flying bicycle kick?

I'm glad your instructor has no real combat experience or sound training doctrine. When you have the full backing of the Federal government, you shoot them until they're flat and then a few more times. You always squeeze off no less than two rounds, and preferably more.

Maybe if niggers would stop resisting arrest cops wouldn't have to, y'know, put them down?

It's only fair to give em a running start . Besides, niggers are pretty fast.

>cops are so poorly trained that they have to shoot people who resist

Cops aren't allowed to shoot at fleeing criminals.

The last state that was allowed to do that or last happened in was Tennessee.

But there was a case, I don't remember which one where the law was over turned there and has been ever since like that. That of course regards a fleeing criminal that doesn't have a gun that is shooting at a cop.

t. law fag

Why the fuck shouldn't they?

He's in South Carolina and will be acquitted.

But the nigger did have his tazer and shot the officer with it...

This is asinine, this is the textbook illustration of the theoretical physicist calling the engineers stupid. If you can get away and attack people, then why have police in the first place?

Right....right....

You fags watch too many movies, holy fuck.

Or listening to cops when they tell them to get on the ground

>B-bb-but you don't have to listen to officers when stopped on the street

Ok enjoy having holes in your body

Because we don't live in a police state. Police have policies in place for force escalation. Train them better and increase the fitness standards.

>Combat
>US Streets

Different objectives. If you are going strictly by the law for domestic LEO (or self defense in general,) you are supposed to shoot to stop the action. If your first round misses, but it scares the shit out of the guy and he stops, you're supposed to stop as well. If you only wound him, but the guy stops because of the pain, you're supposed to stop too. If you have to shoot somebody in self defense, the idea is that you do not care if he lives or dies, only that he stops - at least that is how it will likely play out in the courts in a legitimate shooting.

Of course, when SHTF, shit goes down quick and you may be getting your 4th round off by the time your mind catches up to the fact that the 1st did the trick, but that's another story.

Are you fucking retarded ?

Can you read ?

I said cops can't shoot a fleeing criminal that committed a crime like a robbery or a home invasion

If they attack a cop with a gun or the officer fears for his safety then they can shoot. But you see if you read my post you would of gotten that.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner


Read my post fuck face before replying and trying to sound educated when you are not.

Do something useful with your life other than being a neet

OP have you ever fired a fucking handgun before?

Do you assume the police have aimbots or something?

For a good part of the US's early history, there weren't a lot of police. NYPD wasn't established until the 1840s, yet NYC existed well before then. That's because people understood that they were responsible for themselves and acted accordingly.

Either way, you don't want to ignore due process.

Yeah, and the policy is, if you attack a cop, especially with a weapon, you get fucking killed, and you should. It's not a "police state" for cops to be able to defend themselves.

They can legally do so if the person is believed to be a serious danger to others.

How exactly is that going to happen unless the officer just gets amnesia after the suspect falls down?

>I don't mind if I cop shoots someone resisting arrest
Really nigga? Resisting arrest -> shoot. Running away -> don't shoot? Okay

It's already happened actually. Just saying.

"Defending yourself" is using the escalation of force policy. Shooting someone because they won't let you handcuff them is tyranny.

>suspect apprehended
>no police deaths
>no cities being looted and destroyed thanks to BLM

Estonia pls go

Who is running away from a cop? Someone who hates and will hurt society. We need to end and reverse this bad faith negotiation.

>pls go

Fuck off I'm trying to sell mushrooms here.

no lawyer for you

No one gets legally shot for struggling against someone trying to cuff them. A few do illegally, and most of the time this results in that cop being prosecuted. People who do get shot are those that are beating the shit out of cops, or trying to shoot or stab them. You're complaining about something that barely ever happens and already has programs in place to deal with it.

Running away is "attempting to elude officers". Resisting arrest is a different thing. That means police have physical control over you and you are combating them.

And if you read what I said, I would rather some potsmoking white kid run away instead of my town turning into a fucking shootout every time someone gets spooked. I live in a non-nigger area where the gunshots I hear are people shooting targets. I don't want to hear rapid fire magdumps where 80% of the bullets strike a random car because some drunk idiot decided to run away.

>estonian
>makes CS references

checks out

>aiming for legs
yeah and hit their artery and make them bleed out in 30 seconds sure
good idea that
just kill more people

The hell are you going on about? You said cops should kill people who resist. Resisting arrest is as banal as not going completely limp when they are trying to cuff you.

they should just have an alternate gun with tranquilizer darts. big game hunting!

>takes 10 guys to stop a single man with knife
>higher risk of officer being injured or fuckin killed like this
mmhm..

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What? No it's not. Resisting arrest is combating officers attempting to arrest you.

>Should Police be allowed to shoot criminals on the run?

That's a good question.

>Why don't they ever shoot legs

That is a fucking stupid question.

Watch cops or any video on youtube of an arrest. If you don't completely submit they scream "stop resisting." It's not something that is charged all the time, but in officer's eyes it is resisting arrest.

If you shoot a fleeing person and they live the government will have to foot the bills. That could potentially be millions of dollars over a lifetime. Wrongful death would be a one time payment (only if they lose the case) and is the less expensive option.

Have you ever been arrested? I have. I had cops come into my house and take me out because some girl told the police I did all sorts of crazy shit. They came in expecting that I had firearms and all sorts of stuff.

Police came in, I calmly put my hands behind my back and they gently walked me out into the vehicle. I didn't say any hostile words, didn't struggle, didn't give anyone dirty looks. All because some drunk bitch at the bar tried to get me into trouble. When it went to court it was thrown out in ten minutes because it was stupid. I wasn't angry at the officers for doing their job.

They came in thinking I was armed to the teeth and ready to go down fighting or something. I wasn't, just sat on the couch and they cuffed me. That was it.

>shoot to immobilize
That is pretty much the definition of torture

>Why don't they ever shoot the legs to immobilize

Because it's "Deadly Force" not "Immobilizing Force". If they can make the decision to immobilize over kill then they're not in enough danger to justify using deadly force.

This is why you don't shoot to immobilize..

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FraE77l4fI

Fucking retard....

>aim for the legs
>miss

>Why don't they ever shoot legs to immobilize
Lawsuits

THIS ISN'T SAUDI ARABIA YOU TARD

They're allowed to if they committed a crime that would make them dangerous to the public if they escaped like murder.

>i was lucky

see how you feel when officer Cletus thinks your reaching and empties his clip on you

>Should Police be allowed to shoot criminals on the run?
Only if they have probable cause that the fleeing person is an immediate lethal threat to someone. Which is FYI the legal standard in the USA.

I was arrested by the FBI at 19. Despite having surveillance on me since I left the airport, they still had a dozen guys in ninja suits come at me with guns loaded.

I know how stressful the situation is. People react differently under that stress. It's absurd to say that someone who pulls their arm back while being cuffed should be shot.

That used to be the normal sentiment.

That the dumbest question ever...this isn't a cowboy movie, it's real life.

some people also have very bad anxiety and run without thinking

It's doubtful, as the video shows a lawful shooting

>i was lucky

No, I just didn't fucking run my mouth because I'm not an idiot. If an officer is there to arrest you, you are under arrest. End of story. The officer isn't the judge, he doesn't care. His job is to take you into custody.

I knew I actually dindu nuffin, so I just went along and got locked up. Got bailed out, went to court and the judge actually almost laughed at the charges and tossed them out.

Police should be allowed to execute summarily all criminals when caught red handed.

US POLICE FORCE OOH RAH

they treat every arrest like its a fucking military engagement

literally pulling guns on people for no reason other than 'they might be packing' its beyond ridiculous, you have paramilitary forces on your streets

I do agree with that, I think they do over exaggerate shit to the max. My arrest was an example of that. However that doesn't mean I'm going to fucking start spouting off at the mouth.

I was cleared in court, I didn't get shot, beat up, roughed up, talked down to or anything. They did their job and I was in no way manhandled by these officers.

>paramilitary forces
Your country is almost overran by Muslims and you are constantly being monitored by your government. You get arrested for disagreeing with it. Shut up.

Gee Muhammad, maybe this is why?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjqIaYJDAM m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn5UC5G2uEQ m.youtube.com/watch?v=e63w3meeDRc
m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FraE77l4fI

The justice system says no because this is one of the only cops in the whole BLM bullshit that has gotten convicted

people that are dumb enough to think the average trained cop can hit moving legs with gunfire need to be separated from civilization.

hasn't had a trial yet dumbass

>UK is under constant government monitoring

user, have you heard of Snowden?

Look at the comments in the videos too.....

I understand the no guns thing, but why can't every officer have a taser?

Why do you need to call a taser specialist to tase someone?

Which one was convicted?

yes cops should be allowed to execute criminals for any reason without trial

america is a shitty country, and the best part is the cancer of over policing will destroy the country one police bullet at a time

thanks to the brothers in blue and their union

>Why don't they ever shoot legs to immobilize and wait for backup especially if they appear to be unarmed?
have you ever tried to shoot at someone's legs while you're both running?
most of the time it's night time and you're chasing a nigger, that's even worse because they camouflage in the night like a fucking chameleon

Why do you ask questions that the Supreme Court answered in the Eighties?
>what is garner v. tennessee
>why don't i have a brain
>am i a nigger
>should i drink a gallon of bleach

>Should Police be allowed to shoot criminals on the run?
yes.

>rob a bank
>police behind me
>'oh no, what should we do?'
>'relaaax. as long as we are running they cant shoot us.'

no
unless they are a danger

It's not hard.

When the range is closing, the RO at my local indoor range gives us 10-15 minutes to send targets in while we fire.

It wouldn't be hard at 10 yards. I wouldn't chance it because of a ricochet potential on concrete.

>that pic

Reminder that the shooting of Walter Scott was a staged event.

1) The shooting occured on April 4, the anniversary of the shooting of Martin Luther King, Jr.

2) In both videos, Walter Scott runs away like he's purposefully trying to move slow.

3) Scott was shot 5 times -- 3 times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear. Yet, there is no sign of blood anywhere.

4) Officer Slager was 33 years old at the time of the shooting, which is a magical number in Freemasonry. The historical writer Sir Walter Scott (same name as the supposed shooting victim) was a very famous Mason, and there are many Masonic Lodges in America named after him.

5) Officer Slager looks directly at the cameraman just after he fires all of his shots. Additionally, during the time when both cops are dealing with the body on the ground, it is quite obvious that Santana, the supposed cameraman, is fairly close to them and the view of him from the cops' perspective would be unobstructed. They were aware of him, and yet they never acknowledged his existence, except for the one quick part when Slager looks at him a few seconds after the last bullet is fired. For some reason, they did not see him as someone whom they would want to question or even speak to.

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6) In the original high-definition 3-minute-long video, we are treated to a quite convenient and clear (though video stabilization software helps immensely) scene of the officer seemingly "planting" the Taser near the body. This is AFTER the officer has clearly looked at the cameraman some time before.

7) Less than 24 hours after Slager's arrest, Al Sharpton, who is obviously one of the White House's chosen presenters of proposed courses of action, called for national policing legislation akin to the Civil Rights Act:

>"There must be national policy and national law on policing. We can't go from state to state, we've got to have national law to protect people against these continued questions."

>-- Al Sharpton, the day after officer Slager's arrest

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Those are my own observations. Additionally, I don't even think a person was holding that video camera -- I believe it was a robot following a choreographed routine. Not even joking.

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