SERIOUS QUESTION

SERIOUS QUESTION
Is listening to HIP HOP as a White person cultural appropriation ?

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No.

Do you get punished for it?

how come ?

Blacks invented it ...

No, it's just gay.

Hip hop is it's own culture, and the fuckin Asians are taking over.

lol

By your logic, blacks and other non-whites shouldn't use the computer, the internet, the smartphone, automatic assault rifles, and the list goes on.

Hell no

Black people invented it it didn't appear out of thin air

you think like a slave master

the real question is am i as a white person actually expected to censor the word nigga from any song i rap along to that has it included

cuz thats some retarded ass logic :' )

I didn't invent Cultural Appropriation

but if the shoe fits

They also invented rock and roll, jazz, all sorts of genres. Music isnt just strictly for one group of people.

nice post, the space before the question mark sells it

we didn't invent rock music

shut the fuck up jew

yeah they should just stop using it if they don't want white people to say it
but i mean theyre dumb niggers what do u expect

Why do you want validation from random people online? No one here gives two shits what you like faggot

Yes, it is.

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Rock was rooted in black culture.

Back in the day elvis brought it to the attention of everyone and the older people thought he was promoting black music to young adults and teens.

you're the jew

you slave traded them & the profited from them in the early days of music

you know who you are

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As long as it's good and isn't shit it's good.

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cracka ass cracka

i'm so embarrassed i listen to Eminem when i was young god lol

>Rock was rooted in black culture.
>black culture
Black culture is african drums, banjos, flutes, and rattles.
White culture is guitars, european drums, bass guitar, keyboards, trumpets, saxophones, and all the musical instruments rock and roll is played on.
The typical rock band is literally an understaffed european-style big band.

Yes, so is listening to all hip-hop derived music. Or music derived from Chuck Berry, like rock 'n roll.

It's okay when asians play Wagner, though. Reverse appropriation decolonizes Nazi music.

You were never a god, you were just a wigger

what's nazi music?

its shit anyway

Dude... by time rock and roll was a thing African americans were like fucking 6 generations away from African culture and music.

Black people in the 50s were evolving the blues and jazz into bands, and adopted guitars into their gigs. Elvis just took it from underground jazz clubs and made it into a show.

>African americans were like fucking 6 generations away from African culture
So you agree that rock and roll isn't a black cultural development.

Yes

Anything white people listen to, like classical music, big band, smooth jazz, or Celine Dion

No it's being a cuck to nigger thuggery culture tho

I never said that you or someone else did. I said it was black people or African Americans.

This entire thread, including the post I was responding to, is about CULTURE, not RACE. Learn to English and stop shitting up this thread.

well good luck being a racist

wear it well

That depends on the artist.
Are you listening to niggers talk about nigger shit? It definitely could be, if you're not just laughing at them. Are you listening to white wannabes like Eminem take Dr. Dre's dick up his ass? Yeah, that's basically getting your ears blacked. Are you listening to Haystack pretend that he doesn't act like a nigger & smoke the herbal Jew in a car full of obese Amerimutts he thinks are white? Definitely race traitor behavior. Are you listening to sad, whiny SoundCloud kikes that eat Xanax & slit their wrists? That's retarded. Are you listening to Faggots wearing pink that pretend to be goth & school shooters when they're only interested in shooting up more fentanyl? Not okay. Are you listening to Mr. Bond? That's the right kind of cultural appropriation that isn't fucking Poz'd

Back then black people litterally were forced to have a different fucking culture in America dummy.

Hip hop belongs to everyone my brotha. If someone says different they ain't a true nigga.

>cultural appropriation
there's no such thing. kill yourself my dude.

>forced
Fuck off, Mongoloid. No such thing happened.

Better question, is using tech such as computers, phones, cars etc. by black people considered cultural appropriation?

listen to what you want.
listen to farts

What is Jim crow and segregation, mass migration to civil right states, white people fleeing the projects.

Do some fucking research.

>swoosh

>cultural appropriation
>hip hop
pick one of the implied

None of what you mentioned *forces* anyone to change their culture. In fact, White people "fleeing the projects" (White people didn't flee the projects you ignorant fuck, they fled their own White neighborhoods due to black crime aka literal White genocide) leaving black people on their own would help black people keep their own culture.

Different user, but Slavery and Jim Crow count as forced. Mass migration and white flight do not, those are by definition voluntary. One of the more disturbing tendencies since the 1970s has been an increasing self-segregation in the US, which is reaching its apex in some of the ethnically segregated dorms that have been cropping up recently..

OP is literally retarded. Appreciation /= Appropriation

Is wearing blue jeans as a black person cultural appropriation?

>Slavery and Jim Crow count as forced
Slaves weren't forced to adopt anyone's culture. They were forced to work. What they did and how they acted back in their quarters was almost never forced upon them unless they were causing trouble.
Jim Crow was about the ability to vote. As the government wasn't passing legislation to force blacks to adopt another culture, their restricted voting rights had no effect on their cultural expression.

No, that's reparations

not if you're forced to

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Yes.
As is t-shirts, basketball jerseys, football jerseys, suits, socks, underwear, hell even pants in general are white cultural expressions.

When you cant even vote or get a job because of your skin color that is basically forcing those populations to create their own cultures.

Look up how the suburbs were created. It was massively because of the mass migration to free states.

lol,should of known this was gonna be filled with minorities stealing other cultures and claiming them as there's

have fun with your peanut butter and nig bop

Your arguments are shit.

Slaves weren't forced into a specific culture, but their options were severely curtailed.

And Jim Crow wasn't about the ability to vote. Voting was suppressed during the same time, but Jim Crow specifically refers to forcible segregation, i.e. separate drinking fountains and more pervasive things like the right to buy a house in the wrong neighborhood.

>forcing those populations to create their own cultures
>create their own cultures
How stupid do you have to be to not be able to see this defeats your own argument?

also,you put "back in the day"like you were ever around then anyway.stupid piece of boomer shit

No, but it definitely means you have bad taste in music.

Yes

No, because it was invented by whites.

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>forcible segregation
...where White people wouldn't be interfering in their cultural development.

>the right to buy a house in the wrong [White] neighborhood
...where White people wouldn't be interfering in their cultural development.

Not really, no. The suburbs were more created by the development of the highway system, and then urban flight as the middle class on up moved out of the city. This was tied to socioeconomic factors, and more whites were better off, which is why it was often called white flight.

There were some migrations, but they rarely had anything to do with civil rights, they had to do with job opportunities. Detroit, which had the largest black middle class of any city in the middle of the last century, saw several waves of people moving back and forth to places like Texas, as jobs opened up, or went away. If you go back further, the migrations were again mostly due to economic opportunities, like the promise of free land after the Civil War, or the jobs created by the various programs under FDR.

Fucking kys

no more so than hair straightener, jeans or collared shirts

That's a nonsense argument. All that definitely influenced cultural development. It didn't set a specific course, but nobody's ever argued it did.

If they couldn't get involved in even the most basics of American culture what the fuck else are they going to do? White people didnt want them to integrate into anything with them.

The whole point is black people had their own underground music scene because of it which gave way for rock and roll. Hence why everyone chimmped out when elvis started dancing like a black dude.

omg i was drinking something

water came out my nose LOLOLOL

racist pos

you're worse than hitler

>If they couldn't get involved in even the most basics of American culture what the fuck else are they going to do?
Retain THEIR OWN BLACK CULTURE. How the fuck are you not getting this?
Being left to your own devices is NOT FORCE.
How fucking stupid do you have to be?

>being left to your own devices with the freedom to do whatever you want is "being forced"
Okay, retard.

Except they weren't left to their own devices. They were forced into specific, restricted circumstances within a broader culture.

They weren't left to their own devices. That's you, lying.

No you fucking dumbass

Same thing happened in Harlem. Blacks developed a brand new culture, rich in art and music. Nothing stopped them. Instead, Whites applauded and supported them.
Blacks could just have easily retained a traditional West African culture.
Stop treating blacks as if they are helpless children you condescending, racist fuck.

I don't know if anyone has said this but cultural appropriation as a concept is Racist. Saying only a person of (insert race) can do something from (insert culture) is racism. I'm not saying a white guy loving japan and being a weeb isn't cringy, but it's racist to say they can't do it.

Quite a bit stopped them, and their culture was significantly based on the negative interactions with the wider culture. That's kind of the point.

Also, they couldn't have retained West African culture in Harlem, because Harlem as a distinct black community significantly post-dates the slave era, and during the slave era most of the traces of their original African culture were suppressed. Traces survived in music, and some religious practices, but most of the culture was gone.

Poor attempt at deflecting your own racism, BTW.

You're missing the point ... it's going right over your head. Black people back then couldn't just live normally and integrate properly into American society, why the fuck should a certain group of AMERICANS be forced to create their own sub culture? Yes, traditions and what not from where ever their ancestors came from is important, but forced into segregation was making them look like helpless children.

>traces of their original African culture were suppressed
Discarding ones own culture and adopting another is not suppression by the other culture.

1. Black people were never forced to give up their own culture in the first place, so saying they needed to create their own subculture is not relevant.
2. Black people did form their own communities where they retained their distinct African cultures. Even with no one preventing them from doing so, only a very few actually wanted to.

>Discarding ones own culture and adopting another is not suppression by the other culture.

But putting massive road blocks in the way to integrate into the 'new' culture just forces people to create a completely different one.

Fucking lol, who gives a fuck

>Black people were never forced to give up their own culture in the first place

We can go full circle here ... plucked from west africa and plopped into slavery is telling them to give up their culture.

Not giving basic constitutional rights and segregation from everyone else is telling them to create a new one basically.

Integrating into the new culture?
The question is whether blacks were forced to adopt a new culture.
You're arguing a completely unrelated point.

Being obstructed or prevented from adopting a new culture can only help one retain one's own culture. It cannot force one to adopt the culture one is being prevented from adopting.

Is using electricity as a black person appropriation ?

Not if they rap in English

>slavery bad

>white man bad

meanwhile,lets just ignore every other group of people who wernt black that were oppressed also

not to mention,blacks enslaving other blacks that you soyboys dont care about

>plucked from west africa and plopped into slavery is telling them to give up their culture
It's forcing them to work, not adopt the slave-master's culture. Again, most slave-owners didn't give a fuck about what the slaves did back at their quarters unless it was being disruptive. Only a tiny amount of slave-owners gave a fuck about forcing White culture on what they considered to be their livestock.

There's no such thing as "cultural appropriation" Human culture was created by sharing cultures with other nations, races, and peoples.

Unless you're a isolationist tribe, your culture owes large parts of it to other cultures.

These leftists are trying to push everyone into little identity boxes so they can control them. instead of letting culture and people to flourish.

No definitely not. However eminem stans are like their own thing, feel like a lot of them hate all other rap music and only circlejerk him in Youtube comments.

>meanwhile,lets just ignore every other group of people who wernt black that were oppressed also
>not to mention,blacks enslaving other blacks that you soyboys dont care about

These arguments again... stop it.

>These leftists are trying to push everyone into little identity boxes so they can control them. instead of letting culture and people to flourish.

You mean like how blacks couldn't go to schools or even vote alongside literally everyone else who lived in the states?

>It's forcing them to work, not adopt the slave-master's culture. Again, most slave-owners didn't give a fuck about what the slaves did back at their quarters unless it was being disruptive. Only a tiny amount of slave-owners gave a fuck about forcing White culture on what they considered to be their livestock.

If you can't even own your own land, business, or pursue happiness what the fuck type of culture you think is going to spring from it?

You're missing the main argument that black people were basically forced to create their own separate cultures within American society, the argument isn't were they barred from making their own, or able to share it. You need to follow the discussion.
It was only gee when they were given civil rights did people start to allow them to integrate those subcultures into what ever English, German, spanish, italian, etc, etc. cultures had developed deeply in America and all mingled freely.

...

Culture transmits by osmosis and has since the dawn of human civilization. Cultural appropriation is a manufactured non-issue pushed as a socio-political tool by people with a questionable agenda. It inflames tensions between different ethnicities while enforcing de facto segregation into cultural silos.

You should be suspicious of anyone crying about it.

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>the main argument that black people were basically forced to create their own separate cultures
Create their own separate culture? You mean like create their own African culture? You mean they CHOSE to abandon their own cultural roots and adopt another? You mean they weren't actually forced to do a damn thing?

You can tell who the redneck hill folk are by their senseless hatred for hip-hop, its actually sad. Dont any of you inbred hick faggots dare procreate, not that youll ever get the chance.

>pic related, how I envision you rn

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Hip Hop is shit

Thats not very american now is it? To be segregated so much from everyone else you are whats that word? Almost.... FORCED to create your own?