I know this thread is going to get memed to shit but could someone tell me why he was so obsessed with fitting in and...

I know this thread is going to get memed to shit but could someone tell me why he was so obsessed with fitting in and trying to be the best of his group? Why did he care so much?

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He essentially didn't have a personality, or his personality was rotten, but all that mattered was keeping up appearances and being viewed as a normal person.

He wasn't really human in nature. There is no Patrick Bateman, just an idea of Patrick Bateman.

He literally only cared about appearances and how he was viewed. I think it may have been because he felt quite literally empty inside.

Extreme narcissism

But when he came across a person who had a personality and was a genuine human being, he would get scared off or tell them to run.

He was a very conflicted character.

>There is no Patrick Bateman, just an idea of Patrick Bateman.
Couldn't you say that for every human being though? I mean, we're nothing but a collection of our information, memories and presentation, all of which coalesces into a personality. Why would Baitman have such a hard time doing the same.

because these dubs

Because he was a narcissist working in an incredibly image and status obsessed subset of American society.

WHAT ARE DUBS

Why were Allen and his lawyer calling him a dork?

He would've wrecked those fuccbois til Kingdom Come.

Because he's wired so differently to everybody else he's been lonely his entire life. The perfectionism and obsession with social trends is him trying in vain to break out of this. In a weird way you could even say that the violence is his way of feeling closer to humanity.

So he's just a flesh bag trying to assimilate a personality via observing and taking personality traits from random shitlords in his group and society in general?

Then why shit bricks when someone real tries to initiate something with him? He obviously knows the difference between a decent person and the shallow dickbags he hangs with. Why not take personality traits from them?

Because he's more of a nervous sperg than the movie outwardly lets on. The book is more blatant about it.

Czech 'em

I mean I guess that counts

I think he was worried about people seeing through him

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>Narcissist
Are narcissist usually terrified of legitimate people with sincerity? I'm honestly asking since I've never met a narcissist of his level before.

He's too autistic and self-loathing to truly relate to another human and love or be loved so he distracts himself from his loneliness and misery with sex,drugs, violence and materialism

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I think so. They're kind of like bullies in the sense that if they come across someone who can't easily manipulate or dominate they back down and retreat in order to preserve their ego and self-image.

Bateman-tier narcissists simultaneously fear yet admire anyone that they can't charm, manipulate or control, nice double dubs btw

With all the answers in this thread. It makes me wounder if he could be a salvageable human being (if someone were to see though his shit and still decide to help him) or if he's just a completely lost cause.

NOW I'M LOOOOOST

What was the point of trying to give that homeless man money? Was he attempting to be human or something?

He had a lot of vulnerability in the book, he was kind of a tragic character. Or at least, that's the way he saw himself.

Holy shit, I never knew his brother was in that film about those college faggots.

Fuckin' cinematic universe before it was a thing

Well yeah, he was somewhat sympathetic in the book, but by the end of the movie nothing really changed outside of his confession.

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Maybe, in the sequel his loving relationship with his wife and son drastically lowered his narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies but eventually he got divorced and regressed back to being an inhuman monster.

There was a sequel to the book? How was it?

Maybe. He spared his girlfriend, secretary, and the gay friend, pushing them all away before he could hurt them

patrick and sean bateman both appear in each other's books (american psycho and the rules of attraction)
also, the main character from "less than zero" has his own POV chapter in the rules of attraction
and Patrick has a cameo in another book (glamorama) with red stains on his clothing and the main character (who was also in less than zero) doesn't think anything of it

Bret Easton Ellis wrote a short story in the form of emails to promote the release of the film, it's pretty gud

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Is Rules of Attraction or Less than Zero any good?

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That's awesome, thanks user. I love stuff like this.

Despite the lack of serial killers Less Than Zero and Rules of Attraction are arguably even darker in tone than American Psycho, if you liked "Kids" you'll probably like both of them too

The book was a gross over-simplification to the downfall of the 1980s, and the entire book was a satirical critique of capitalism as a whole.
He wanted to fit in because he was a psychopathic murderer, and because he was a misfit in an environment of ambitious peers that all seems to have the same goal: Wealth and Success.
He cared because he didn't want to get caught and because part of his still wanted to be human and normal.
>no one will reply to this

I actually disagree. While the rest of his character was riddled with evidence of "narcissism", the one thing that actually made him interesting was his ability to act human.

Could someone tell me why he was so obsessed with fitting in and trying to be the best of his group? Why did he care so much?

>people still haven't figured out what American Psycho was all about
>literally 17 years later
>book was published 10 years before that

baka baka

>the sequel
Sequel?
>his wife and son
He got married and had a child?!
>Bret Easton Ellis wrote a short story in the form of emails to promote the release of the film
WHY HAVE I NOT BEEN TOLD ABOUT THIS?!

>Oversimplification

It was never meant to be an actual critique. Bret wasn't fucking saying that all bigwigs are sociopaths.

You do realise that the author got so fed up with annoying Marixsts like you that he stated publicly that American Psycho wasn't intended to be a critique of capitalism

>The book was a gross over-simplification to the downfall of the 1980s, and the entire book was a satirical critique of capitalism as a whole.
Now that part at the end makes a lot more sense. Thanks.

If you're talking about the part in the movie where Jean was getting close to him, I'd say that was reflective of Evelyn calling and leaving a message on his machine. I think he liked dragging it out and making her feel like shit. If you will, he fell in love with hurting people. If he killed her, the ride would end. And he wised up and realized that you can't kill someone THAT close to you, as she was his personal secretary. He used the ruse of feelings and sentiments to let her off easy.

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What was the point of him saying the Head on a stick joke anyway?

That's like a Sup Forums poster making a cunny joke at a party. Awkward as hell it would be

Yeah, that's why he was a fucking psycho.
He was completely self-absorbed and felt no one else felt the way he did.
Textbook psychological issues there.

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Fucking commies.

Because he's superficial and consumed with appearances. In the real world, if you come off like a creep, people won't like you.

>if you liked "Kids" you'll probably like both of them too
>That one asshole who kills his super nice grandparents
I never raged so hard in all my life.

>people still haven't figured out what American Psycho was all about
It's about a guy who is afraid of going to prison for all the crimes he has committed and so he tells someone on Wall Street what he has done and in the end it turns out no one takes him seriously because deep down, everyone on Wall Street are psychopaths.

Did I get it right?

I need some photoshopped images of Bateman holding up random CDs. Photoshop any rock or pop album cover. Go wild!

some one do frank ocean blonde

Pretty sure it was all in his head.

No they think he's just joking.

Because deep down psychopaths are lonely people and want to connect with others despite not having anything in common with them

>Photoshoping over Huey Lewis and the News
You blaspheming degenerit

I think that's part of the reason why his only "friends" are people who are too dumb and/or self centered to realise that there's something wrong with him, hence why he pushes away more well adjusted people like his secretary before they realise what a creepy fucker he is and reject him

>Pretty sure it was all in his head.
Wait what happened to Leto's character? Was he actually missing or did the movie make it out that he really did go on a trip and Bateman just made up the murder in his head?

Haven't seen the movie in ages.

IF it's all in his head.. it makes sense why no on ever opens up their doors when the prostitute screams for help despite Bateman running around with a live chainsaw.

In the book, yes. In the film, people actually lean more towards no.

Pre-war construction. Fabulous insulation.

Keep in mind that he's the son of a billionaire, if the murders really happen it's highly likely that lots of people know about it but Patrick's father bribes/threatens them all to ignore it

I remember meeting some girls online who were writing homosexual fan fiction and now finding out that American Psycho was directed by a female who had no problem having a man run around with a chainsaw and murder woman..

It really makes me think: females really do have wild minds with lots of fantasies where they tend to put themselves in the mind of a male

There is no way he could have hid even half that shit though. He wasn't very clean about his killings either, not to mention that someone would have heard something when he did this

Fuck that nigger, if I hear someone getting chased with a chainsaw outside my apartment I'm keeping my door locked

This is how I take the movie where he DID commit the crimes but no one wants to try to put him in prison due to him being filthy rich and being the son of a billionaire

No, but it was obvious he disliked capitalism and the free market enterprise.
He's an "artist" for fuck's sake.

It's like these.

Men like pretending to be women because they have tits, better orgasms, and more holes for fucking.

>IF it's all in his head.. it makes sense why no on ever opens up their doors when the prostitute screams for help
You really think any stranger would get between you and a chainsaw-wielding madman?

I'm not a Marxist you prejudiced dumbass.
I love capitalism. I hate Communism, socialism and all leftist ideologies. Just because I'm pointing out the basis for the novel, doesn't mean I'm the thing that which you describe.

But you would call the cops. And no one ever did.

>All psychopaths don't know right from wrong
This is false.

Listnening to the Ted Bundy tapes when he was stating his confession: he stated how after he killed a girl, he would freak out and throw her clothes randomly in the open and just drive off.

Since Bundy only killed woman for sexual pleasure, my take is that after he engaged in this activity and masturbated - same like with any male who feels guilt after masturbating - Bundy felt guilt for killing but of course hours later he again became horny and so had to go out and find another woman to kill.

>I actually disagree.
I totally don't believe you. Op's question is monumentally retarded because the great mystery is why Patrick does what he does. You are not supposed to have a clear idea of what motivates him or if anything he is doing is actually real.

You are just trying to keep this shitty thread alive.

>He's an "artist" for fuck's sake.
And artists just LOVE Communism, don't they?

The movie fell short. Bad directing, and I blame it on the studio. They chose a woman as the book was receiving HARSH criticism for being what they called misogynistic. The female director even admitted that she fucked up the end. It wasn't a dream, he did all those things.

He doesn't understand what is or isn't socially acceptable.

Have always been an unusually sincere person. Can confirm I occasionally spook one of those more extreme cases of socialite-sociopath in conversations with them. I come across them semi-frequently because I live in a weird part of the world.

Because it was a Freudian slip. A lot psychopaths idolize other psychopaths. It's part of the reason the media doesn't publicize serial killers anymore.

My father is a psychiatrist and I'm good friends with a Catholic priest. They both agree that women are far FAR more perverted and fucked up mentally than men could ever hope to be, apparently if you heard the shit that women confidentially tell their doctor and priest you'd practically go mad from how depraved it is. Women literally think about sex 24/7 and pretty much 100% of them have rape fantasies

I forgot to mention

>Bundy worked late nights talking on the phone to girls who had been sexually abused and giving them advice how to cope
>He saved a young boy from driving
>Bonded with an older woman at his work place and made sure she got to her care safely because he was afraid she may get attacked (the woman Ann Rule states this in her book)
>His gf's purse got snatched and he chased the thug

My take is that Bundy was never evil in his early life. Slowly over time he developed sick sexual fantasies of necrophilia but he wasn't born with it

Bundy blamed his perverted mind on Porn but idk if that is the actual reason he started killing.

What is known is that every girl he killed resembled his ex gf who broke up with him.

Well, they're all superficial, but none of them like him. In that upper class environment, friendship is seen for what it is--a way to make more money and have more power.

>Women literally think about sex 24/7
I cannot believe this

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You're fabricating nothing into something.

He was probably born a sociopath but Bundy only turned murderous due to the psychological trauma of his fiancé leaving him

>tfw no dubs

No, but artists tend to be liberal, by the very nature of their lives.

>You do realise that the author got so fed up with annoying Marixsts like you that he stated publicly that American Psycho wasn't intended to be a critique of capitalism
source?

Well, if they have some kind of complex. But you're right, I don't think they actively seek it for a reward.

I don't think you are born a sociopath

>but he wasn't born with it
I don't think that's true.
He had some genetic tendencies to be a psycho.

>Women literally think about sex 24/7 and pretty much 100%
I'm not completely disagreeing with you but that sound like stretching it.
> have rape fantasies
Actual rape fantasies or just getting consensually plowed and gang-banged?

>He was probably born a sociopath
Is there any evidence that people who commit crimes are born with intentions to do so?

Sure there are cases of narcissists and sociopaths but they dont have the actual intention of murder I guess.

>Dont commit this crime cos if found out u will spend ur life in prison
This is how majority will think yet for those who do commit crimes either for the thrill or rush of idk

I don't know what your point is, but psychopath is just a catchall for people who are compulsive and fucked up.