DEVELOPMENTS July 16 >Field Report: Syrian Army makes fresh gains in Darayya >In Video: Army ambush destroys jihadi vehicle in eastern Hama >ISIS suicide attacks kill 135 Kurdish fighters in 3 days >Tiger Forces advance in North Aleppo >Massive explosion rocks Army base in southeast Aleppo >Yemen: 179 Saudis reported dead by fatal missile strike
Our primary air defense missile was unable to kill the easiest possible aerial target, not once, but twice on the same day?
Josiah Perry
OP has new thread themes and featured videos. enjoy
Logan Reyes
The SAA are killing comanders almost everyday. Who the fuck cordinates the FSA?
Ryder Thomas
I HAVE A TOY FOR YOU ERDOGAN
THE FSA LOVED THIS TOY SO MUCH
THEY CRIED WHEN I CUT IT OFF
Lucas Richardson
yes
thanks minnesotan
Landon Thomas
...
James Green
Can /sg/ answer this question:
What is Israel and Turkey currently (July 2016) doing or supporting in Syria?
David Anderson
supporting jihadis I think they're both starting to give up, though
Colton Thompson
Probably west yes, I assume the attack is somewhat serious. Minor attacks were often unreported
@Syria_Protector #BREAKING: #JN jihadists launched new attack on #SAA in southern #Mallah N of #Aleppo, No areas lost, SAA on defense situation atm
@MIG_29 #Mallah update : JN start an attack on Mallah Farms.
William King
>Su-22 and Su-24 secured the closure of the Castillo road to Aleppo
Aaron Martinez
...
Lincoln Morales
Every time.
Michael Wright
Tony Toh confirm it, so is true, absolutely BTFO
Mason Roberts
New here, this might sound ignorant but how exactly is ISIS this big a threat?
I just learned ISIS actually controls territory in Syria and Iraq. Physical territory on the map that armies can bomb and invade. I always thought it was a bunch of people meeting in secret inside a stable country or something. But no, you can actually see physical positions ISIS controls on the map. What the fuck. Doesn't pretty much everybody want ISIS gone? Why don't countries just throw money at the problem and literally just bomb and invade?
If they did ISIS wouldn't exist. They say they want them gone but ISIS is created, funded and armed by the west.
Jonathan Bell
Please to be explaining how to pick out normal people from ISIS people, gopnick
Tyler Campbell
Oh come on, those are just conspiracy theories. Kind of like the moon landings were faked and 9/11 was an inside job.
William Gomez
To be fair, drones are not that easy to target and take out if they are of a small size. Their radar signature is small as is their target profile. Missile seekers, warheads and overall design are not designed to counter them. If it was the size of a Cessna it would have been shot down, but since this was likely the size of a large dog or something, not so much.
Juan Price
>I just learned ISIS actually controls territory
Where the fuck have you been al those years? you dont even browse internet, read or watch the news?
Wyatt Jones
don't worry mate. we were just taking some nice pics.
Adrian Perry
Exactly, I don't know about the moon landings but buildings don't just explode down.
Hunter Bailey
>I just learned ISIS actually controls territory in Syria and Iraq.
I don't really follow politics. Just recently after the turkey coup have i started reading about it.
I know. The question still stands though. You have a clear location where ISIS is. Why isn't anybody doing anything about it?
Bentley Walker
First thing to note: ISIS territory is largely desert
The available ground forces in Syria & Iraq are sometimes not too well trained, low on manpower or busy on other fronts
Western nations dont want to deploy thousands of soldiers, even America because Obama is doing his "less interference"-policy stuff ("no boots on the ground", etc)
So that means fighting ISIS is left to local troops while Western countries and Russia support with bombing. Bombing isnt as easy as youd think, many of ISIS controlled cities or even towns still have population.
Iraqi forces are starting to really get somewhere fighting ISIS. Syrian forces are largely busy on other fronts (at this moment). Kurdish forces are making small advances in northern Syria. ISIS is weakening, its taken a lot of time but it is.
Leo Perry
I don't know shit about shit
If the FSA are actual democratic rebels, why not support them? Do they have direct, not just by-conjecture ties to terrorists?
Jayden Sanders
>New here, this might sound ignorant but how exactly is Viet Cong this big a threat? >I just learned VIet Cong actually controls territory in Vietnam. Physical territory on the map that armies can bomb and invade. I always thought it was a bunch of people meeting in secret inside a stable country or something. But no, you can actually see physical positions Viet Cong controls on the map. What the fuck. Doesn't pretty much everybody want Viet Cong gone? Why don't countries just throw money at the problem and literally just bomb and invade?
Asher Morales
how is Deir-Ez Zor? please tell me my boys are okay
Robert Carter
No one is willing to risk their heads, plus Isis fights Assad and western leaders doesnt like Assad more than Isis
Jacob Cruz
>democratic rebels
Landon Ortiz
SAA reinforced it a few days ago. I think they are comfy for now.
Lucas Butler
SOON!
Dylan Parker
Thanks Minnesota lad, I hope we see Greater Minnesota in our lifetiime.
Gavin Hall
>If the FSA are actual democratic rebels, why not support them?
Because they're jihadists
Also:
>Democracy is always good
Charles Perez
...
Christopher Bennett
the opposition consists mainly of Al-qaeda and a few big groups identical to AQ in ideology, with CIA "vetted" groups acting as fire support with no say in how "liberated" areas are governed
Andrew Brown
Thank you for a serious answer user.
So the problem is civilian people who still haven't gotten out. And if you drop something like millions of fliers saying you're gonna bomb this town in a few days, ISIS fighters are probably just not going to let the civilian people leave.
Well shit.
Nathaniel Nguyen
you're naive. There's nothing conspirational here. It's a game of pawns and proxies, no western country want to fully commit in this war, they finance the ones that want to kill the ones they hate the most
Colton Gomez
>"Army of Jihad" >""""""""Moderate""""""""""
Adrian Robinson
You don't know whether the inhabitants of the area controlled by ISIS are supporting it or are just hostages of them. You cannot ethically bomb the area into oblivion
Sebastian Miller
>my boys your tax money was used by your president to bomb them once, they are not your boys american poster, you are their enemy :^)
Nothing like /x/ here, all have proof and is correct
James Ramirez
Supposedly it's already been closed, but no confirmation.
Easton Gray
No yet, SAA need to siege Bani Zeid District and all is over
Ryan Garcia
yup, mostly moderates protecting their democracy.
Hudson Foster
Theyre fighting alongside al-Nusra (Syrian al-Qaeda) on 95% of the fronts
And even if they didnt, their democratic nature is VERY questionable.
Other groups of largest significance are Ahrar al-Sham (anti-democracy "democracy is a western invention" Islamist extremists) and Jaish al-Islam (have used chemical weapons, hate every non-Sunni)
NOT A SINGLE FSA-ALIGNED GROUP is among the biggest players in the Syrian insurgency.
Levi Watson
yellow team looks fucked
David Murphy
>tfw you went instinct
Juan Smith
so the fsa isn't actually a single unit, but rather a term prescribed to a whole bunch of different groups working together loosely, some which are jihadists?
Blake Campbell
>some
Bentley Fisher
>Some
Jordan Brown
Roughly, that's a good simplified explanation.
A part you're missing is that even the "Moderate" non-jihadists are staunch traditionalists and their form of democracy usually leads to tyranny and increased oppression of other minorities and non "proper" muslims.
Bentley Roberts
Yellow is Kurdish. they're on SAA's side
Hudson Cox
>If the FSA are actual democratic rebels They aren't. There were some secular rebels when the war started, mostly an anti-Assad faction in the army, and their supporters. Even with these people their intent to establish democracy is extremely dubious.
Most of these secular rebels are either dead, defected to islamists, or fled to Turkey. What's left are varying degrees of islamists. Nowadays most of what's left is Al Qaeda/ISIS tier.
Gabriel Davis
Because "democratic rebels" was just a meme to gain western support. All of the opposition to Assad was always sunni islamists, they wanted sharia law not democracy.
Oliver Evans
The actual (Television) news just stated that they closed the road, I assumed that meant it was done, my bad.
Isaac Cruz
For now.
Isaac Richardson
all of them are jihadists, some of them are """moderate"""" jihadists like your president calls them. You are actually supporting them, even al nursa, al qaida branch in syria.
Because assad is bad and need to go
Julian Lopez
>democratic rebels >proceeds to slaughter civilians and shell markets with hell cannons
Austin Reed
A big factor in ISIS rise is Turkey not controlling their borders properly
Thousands and THOUSANDS of Jihadists crossed the (admittedly long and rugged) Syrian-Turkish border
Many think the Turks batted an eye on purpose because they thought that would quickly get rid of Assad. Lately though ISIS and Turks clash near the borders and ISIS are sometimes shelling Turkish villages so some think this is definitely over now.
Let me demonstrate something here. Pic related is a pro-Assad protest.
Caleb Mitchell
>for now for good. Sheikh Maqsoud is alone. For them, it's either fight Jihadis or die
Anthony Morales
Another pro-Assad protest..
Isaiah Wood
It truly sounds like something from Warhammer 40k.
Michael Sanders
And now, women in a protest in Kafranbel, a town which was usually portrayed as a place where the local FSA had a high influence and al-Nusra had a lower influence
What is the situation with North Koreans working in Poland? Are they still in Poland?
Luis Russell
I heard earlier the siege of Aleppo city will take years, can anyone explain why?
Do they build tunnels for resupply like other pockets? They would starve within a few months surely without external help...
Angel Torres
dunno it never hits mainstream media, they're probably still there and no one gives a fuck
Evan Gomez
I don't know Hans, what did they do in Leningrad?
Matthew Gomez
Sheikh Maqsoud is the best redpill in Syria
The Kurds, who are always presented as good guys in Western media, are literally dying there to defend their district against waves of jihadists, who the same media AND the Americans tried to sell as good guys
Does the Syrian government attack them? No, the Kurds' supply lines go through their area
Owen Price
there are dozens of other pockets that survived for years. Just look around Damas.
There's the fact that you can't let civilians die or starve like that, too.
Ian Allen
Tunnels are one way, bribes are another.
Plenty of militia members who will take a few hundred dollars to look the other way. And with all the foreign backing militias have virtually unlimited money supplies.
Austin Sanchez
fugg, Syria sluts are hot.
Carter Lee
Greater Syria has blessed this thread.
Also, which will come first - the complete encirclement of Aleppo or the liberation of Darayya?
Owen Ortiz
Aleppo, the part to complete the siege is not total urban area meanwhile Darayya is a cement jungle, almost Stalingrad tier
Lucas Cooper
they don't have an urgent need of securing (2), it's not like that part of the road is mandatory for them, all they need is prevent anyone using it. Also, I don't know the topography of it, but it might be quite open, and thus dangerous to actually secure, therefore (3) becomes the 2nd objective to take. I'm not sure, but that's how I see it.
Hudson Wood
Allright, thnx
How many civs are even left in the rebel Aleppo areas? I cant imagine there being alot.
Robert Morgan
Darayya imo, the situation there for the FSA/Nusra can't be worse... oh yes, SAA advance today there and the WIA are keep rising. Only 700+ militants inside of the pocket, 25% WIA, 10% MIA and the rest on suicide watch
Ayden Martinez
←
Nolan Long
Darayya will come first, rebels there are close to finished.
Aleppo could take years. I think they will make a repeat of Homs though, and offer rebels+families relocation to Idlib.
Ryan Morgan
>cant imagine there being alot. Youd be surprised. Estimates range from 150.000-300.000.
while government held Aleppo estimates range from 1.5 million - 3 million
Jaxson Thomas
The number has fluctuated between 250k and 300k, but I doubt that is the actual amount. I am betting it's less than 200k.
Levi Baker
humansrights and cucks remind me everyday there are millions of them being butchered in alleppo, so I guess enough to prevent us from just bombing it all down.
Lincoln Taylor
May I ask, what changed in American foreign policy, where supporting a "dictator" is now seen as undesirable?
I mean, we didn't have that much of a problem with it during the Cold War, is it solely due to the collapse of the Soviet Union, where supporting dictators was seen as a better alternative than letting countries fall into commie hands?
It all makes perfect sense to support a secular leader like Assad, he's seems like the best your could hope for in a Muslim country, he's not even crazy like Gaddafi.
