Why aren't you a Marxist yet Sup Forums?

Why aren't you a Marxist yet Sup Forums?

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I have a brain.

In capitalism you choose your job. If I don't like my boss, I'll work somewhere else. If I don't like my job, I find another job.

In communism you are assigned a job, you keep nothing, you are given rations, and if you don't like it they kill you.

It's almost time for that contrarian tide to swing Sup Forums to the left. Better get started reading Capital if you wanna be ahead of the curve.

but I am

better than capitalism

marxism actually makes it easier to switch jobs

how so, young leaf

Marxists think work is good

I want to automate everything and be lazy

The only way you'd benefit from that automation is in a Communist society

because the fundamental flaw in Marxism -- which, however, rightfully understands the amorality of capitalism -- is the misunderstanding of human equality, which leads to massive failures.

Also, to maintain a Marxist (im speaking one-party Leninist here) state you need massive authoritarianism in nearly every single part of life, which is very prone to human corruption.

I don't think you've ever read Marx

I hate foreigners.

>look at flag
>my country
>Marxism thread
COMMUNISM IS A LIE!

Communism and Marxism offers no incentives for great men to come out of the woodwork. After just a few generations you have an inbred ruling class with a aristocracy or even a monarchy disguised as a communist government.

I grew up and read more about it. The Pro Marx people don't give you the whole story. I suggest if you want to understand Marx, you must also read Mein Kamp, along with learning about the German Civil War of 1918.

>he believes in the great man theory of history

i already am

> I have no hopes or aspirations so no one else should and shall never act on them or they should give me money

Marx was shit at economics and predicting the future. His epistemology was poop.
Being a Marxist is up there with downloading von Mises pamphlets.

>muh equality
>muh life is unfair
>muh I can't be a producer so therefore I'm a marxist
Fails everytime. Only a weakling cuck would be a marxist. Incredibly inefficient rules and systems. Capitalism + Democracy trumps it every time.

Why aren't you a Strasserist yet, user? It beats being a filthy commie.

Also forgot to mention, Marx was a NEET + pseudo intellectual funded by a factory owner. It would be the equivalent of taking advice on how to get a girlfriend by /r9k/ lmao~

*tips fedora*

I already am, silly :3

(posted from my iPhone 6)

>implying there's such a thing as democracy under capitalism

>why are you not a Marxist yet?

_ not a faggot
_ not retarded
_ no pre-existing brain damage to cloud my judgement

>Why aren't you a Marxist yet Sup Forums?

Because historicism and dialectical materialism are false.

Because I work.

I am

Please refute dialectical materialism

What's this gif showing? context?

Society doesn't change because workers and capitalists go to war with each other.

But i am.

Pic related.

Except using a cell phone falls under a "use-value" of a commodity, which Marx argues is a staple of all human society, which includes feudalism, capitalism, and socialism. He never argued to not use things bro

Marx was a newspaper journalist and author with a PhD in Philosophy, so no, he wasn't a NEET. Even if he was that doesn't discredit his ideas.

Marxism doesn't assume human equality in intelligence, strength, or other factors. It only argues for the abolition of class distinctions, so it's compatible with modern ideas of human inequality due to biology that something like Locke's tabula rasa is not. Google "A Liberal Professor on Equality" by Lenin

fpbp

U fockin wot

Nice identity politics, cuck

So buying into capitalism is a staple of Marxism?

Class struggle isn't real.

And why is that?

Because, as I said, societies doesn't change because classes clash. Societies change for other reasons, such as war and ideology.

>le democracy meme
lmao

So you don't actually have an argument

Sure I do.

Besides, Marxism is unfalsifiable nonsense, and it isn't scientific at all, and is merely an opinion with zero evidence.

marxism= jewry
ancapism= jewry
anarcho-communism= not jewry

No, using the physical bodies of commodities like water or food is not buying into capitalism or a staple of Marxism. In the Marxist view use value aka drinking water predates even class society, and the longest social epoch was feudalism, so you could argue that drinking water (use value) is really buying into primitive communism or feudalism. That's just a barebone human fact. Organizing the production of water for sale on the market (capitalist example) for another person versus collecting water for yourself after paying a rent to your feudal lord (feudalism) is where the Marxist critique of class comes in. Marx and Marxists also tend to view capitalism as positive compared to feudal relations, but negative compared to socialism, so maybe you could argue that Marxists "buy into capitalism", but only as a method to advance toward communism.

Just like everything you're insinuating?

Because Im a National Socialist

Capitalism uses a positive incentive to get people to work ie. pay. Marxism uses a negative incentive ie. gulag.

I prefer the carrot to the stick desu

Look, either you're going to show how dialectical materialism is true, or shut the fuck up.

I said that class struggle isn't how society changes, and you've just retorted "No u" every time, because you don't have an argument at all, because Marxism is literally a religion that you take on faith.

>he thinks it's a theory
Are you actually autistic?
Here kid, have this image, you can edit it and post it on your dievinart page you spergy fuck.

There is much to learn from Marx. I'm a right-winger.

Because i am not 16 anymore.

this

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Marx advocated that the more you work the higher your pay ought to be in the Critique of the Gotha Program for the intermediate period of socialism before the advent of Communist society. Pay inequality existed in the USSR (look up "Is Russia a Socialist Community?" debate for some stats). Gulags were used as labor camps for punishing dissent etc, and regardless how you feel if it was good or not, generally wasn't used to motivate work. Lazy people went without food (see wikipedia on social parasitism in the USSR)

>communism happens
>get hired to make cars
>hey, a guaranteed steady income
>make bitchin car
>get paid
>next cycle
>realize I'm getting paid the same as the jackoffs putting little effort in their cars
>don't they realize this kills the communism >:^(
>get indignant
>start doing less work because I don't feel as rewarded
>get paid the same because guaranteed income
>later
>everyone realizes whats happening
>everyone does the minimum amount of work
>everyone receives the same guaranteed amount of income
>life is shit because other business sectors face same realization and drop in quality
>this happened in Venezuela RECENTLY
>millennials in high school and unis somehow still want this

This

>enforcing quality control and deadlines we have today is hard

I would actually like to know what Marxist advocates for exactly equal pay. Can you link me something or give me an example?

>what is an authoritarian government

Communism is a government controlled economy, they choose your jobs, businesses and etc. You would just be a number to them. Easier to just pay people that work the same job the same. That's why communism either goes totalitarian and forces workers to work or it economically fails. Communism is such a broken idea people who advocate it are mentally retarded.

You've never studied communism lmao

Every time.

That's not communism.

Pick one
>Being fired by a company and find new job
>Shot by the state.
>starve because the state fired you.
Here's a hint, ones capitalism.

Karl Marx himself argued for pay inequality according to the contribution of the individual worker in the socialist stage of society, so someone who argued for complete pay equality immediately in the socialist stage is a bad Marxist (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_the_Gotha_Program). If you know a Marxist thinker who argues for equal pay for unequal work in the socialist stage, link me.

can I just kill myself because none of those sound appealing

>(((marxism)))

Communism is very much this. In business school they teach you about different economical systems. You're either fucking retarded or in denial that your cute fairytale is a lie.

Why bother with that internationalist garbage when you could read Mein Kampf instead?

Here's a better question

Why aren't you a shegetz for a Jewess?

>iPhone
>the same as water or food
You're really struggling here, aren't you?

To know your enemy at best, or change your mind at worst? Reading different stuff is fun.

So you're saying that one man is going to have to fund government programs to supervise workers? Question in your cute little mind do the workers or the government use money?

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In Marxism the use-value is the satisfaction of a human need, whether its for enjoyment or for eating like food. You can read that in Chapter 1 of Capital, so I'm not struggling, it's actually pretty easy.

Do it no ones going to care if a communist dies.

I have a job

>In business school they teach you about different economical systems

Lmao

where did you get the idea I was a communist.
This country has been through all of it, nothing works, might as well let the world burn

Want does not equal need you desperate fairy.

>he didnt reply

Haha

Marx wrote an awful lot about capital for someone who never made any.

Since you can't provide an example of a Marxist advocating equal pay for unequal work in the socialist state, I don't know what to tell you. People keep repeating that over and over, I thought an example would actually be provided.

Just accept that NEETS are smarter than most people

>Real Progress
>tens of thousands die in revolution
>millions starve due to half-assed agrarian reform
>intelligensia becomes the new aristocracy
>basically the old Romanov empire but even more brutal and run by foreigners and Jews

>"Real Progress"

Not an argument.

>Implying Im not already

But what I am not is a faggoty ass self flagellating libcuck like pic related.

I don't care about the people. I care about the idea, the system. Answer my previous question and I'll tell you why the system doesn't work.

>Democratic socialism is still socialism
>National socialism is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

When will this fucking pro-commie meme die?

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"The utility of a thing makes it a use value.[4] But this utility is not a thing of air. Being limited by the physical properties of the commodity, it has no existence apart from that commodity. A commodity, such as iron, corn, or a diamond, is therefore, so far as it is a material thing, a use value, something useful" (marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#S1)

Unless using a physical phone can be separated from the actual use of using a phone, like how food can't be separated from eating food, it isn't an argument against the Marxist idea of use-value. Use-value is the easiest and most boring part of Marxism desu senpai

>tfw my tutor is a Palestinian academic working out of the Marxist school
>tfw she is dropping redpills every lesson

Never, people will always be stupid enough to buy into this. I always find it funny how if communist were implemented these idiots would probably be scraping the shit out of the latrines.

Sup Forums is Marxist by definition. They, the proletariat, are fighting against the Jews (bourgeoisie). Only difference is that they pretend not to favor communism.

Watching Sup Forumsyps struggle to understand communism is amusing as fuck

If I remember correctly Marx advocated deducting some part of the wages of the worker for public goods, aka roads and maintaining machinery. The idea of "equal pay for unequal work" you are arguing against as being a Marxist delusion is not advocated by Marx or any Marxist to my knowledge.