Please explain your double standards to me, right-wingers

Please explain your double standards to me, right-wingers.

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inb4 whatabouteries

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i'm not an expert but the difference is that money went to restoring profitability in important economic sectors vs SUBSIDIZING DEPLORABLES and DEGENERATES.

>wall street fucks over the average american worker
>zero consequences because they get bailed out, and aren't prosecuted
Anyone who unironically believes this is fine is a cuck
>degenerates
Eliminating barriers to higher education, and healthcare is a good thing whether or not you think they deserve it. Lower costs for consumers, more money being spent elsewhere and stimulating the economy, higher per capita income, etc

>vs SUBSIDIZING DEPLORABLES and DEGENERATES.

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It's important to protect and support big businesses and corporations. Those are the people that really need the money, not the mentally ill scrubs!

>that money went to protecting profitability
FTFY

You mean human beings? You sound like a sociopath

You mean human beings? When did any human have any merit over any other human?

Anyone not in agreement likely doesn't understand what socialism is. Pure capitalism involves the fall of mediocrity and failure of those who can't adjust to the market.
I don't think we should bail out any of these cause it's absurd to have someone who failed multiple times still be the biggest business in America.
Also fuck the lazy and poor. If you don't have a serious disability you can and should be able to support yourself.

They're humans though. Should we just leave them to die without help like it's the stone age, even though so many people would be willing to help them out once there's funding of social programs? I want to help too, but I have to work a lot just to afford to live, and I don't have the time or energy to devote all my time to caring for others, mainly because it doesn't pay enough.

>Pure capitalism involves the fall of mediocrity
Nonsense.

>and failure of those who can't adjust to the market.
You're describing Mercantilism, not Capitalism.

Becauae its interventionism

>When did any human have any merit over any other human?

Oh gee wizz, I dunno.. maybe it's the entire basis of meritocracy?

If you don't believe in meritocracy or the fact that different humans have different 'worth' then I really don't know what to tell you... I assume you also don't believe in any differences whatsoever and that the universe is in fact made up of nothing buy uniform grey goop stretching out to infinity in all directions.

>For it cannot be too strongly insisted that Socialism means but one thing, and that is the abolition of capital in private hands, and the turning over of the industries into the direct control of the workmen employed in them. Anything else is not Socialism, and has no right to sail under that name. Socialism is not the establishment of an eight-hour day, not the abolition of child labor, not the enforcement of the pure food laws, not the putting down of the Night Riders, or the enforcement of the 80-cent gas law. None of these, nor all of them together, are Socialism. They might all be done by the government tomorrow, and still we would not have Socialism. They are merely reforms of the present system, mere patches on the worn-out garment of industrial servitude, and are no more Socialism than the steam from a locomotive is the locomotive. Socialism is the collective ownership of the mechanical equipment of production which would bring in its wake all the other improvements in conditions above mentioned. But they are only the wake”Socialism is the vessel which must cast that wake, Socialism is the locomotive from which these betterments are the trails of steam.

>As a poodle may have his hair cut long or his hair cut short, as he may be trimmed with pink ribbons or with blue ribbons, yet he remains the same old poodle, so capitalism may be trimmed with factory laws, tenement laws, divorce laws and gambling laws, but it remains the same old capitalism. These “humaniitarian parts” are only trimming the poodle. Socialism, one and inseparable with its “antirent and anticapital parts,” means to get rid of the poodle.

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There's a limit to how much I'll respect someone's authority, that's all.

Isn't mercantilism just the promotion and securing of trade by private business and government?

What I meant is capitalism is private ownership. If you fail as a business your government daddy doesn't bail you out or your no longer a private business.

Respect is not a right, it's a privilege that can only be given freely.

It is entirely your choice to respect whomever in whatever degree you deem (them) worthy.

Authority is very similar to respect in that regard, authority is something given to you by others, generally by way of having proven one's skills/knowledge of particular subject(s) thus making people defer to your 'authority' on such subject(s).

HEY fam
the bailouts were fucking n e c e s s a r y

literally the entire world financial system (read: the current world system, civilization as we know it) was about to collapse

it literally was too big to fail, that's not just a buzzphrase, if those banks went under so did the rest of civilization

There's good reason why this man's work has nearly no merit at all in any philosophy. Literally gets torn apart and shit on by any logic.

1 gives you the ability to work and buy an xbox. The other gives you an xbox and pays you to play it.

>Isn't mercantilism just...
Nothing is "just" anything else, user.
You're right about ownership.

Oh no, not the civilization you guys!!!

Ok, what is socialism then?

Underrated post

I guess I took the stance in my post.
In a pure capitalism there would be no forced pay towards these people. I didn't mean that I would not help these people of my own volition, but that, as a country with mass social programs, we have a socialist government

Socialism is an impossible ideology.

If you want to know more, read 'The Gulag Archipelago'. That's all anyone needs to know about socialism.

>the actual population of your country isn't an important economic sector

Well these terms have basic meanings that the surrounding idea is derived off of. Your correct, but I just don't have enough surrounding information to make any other claim about it.

single mothers and lazy ass niggas lying on the couch all day when not protesting collecting welfare are indeed not important.

for those with brains who like just and proper societies there is a thing callled Canada. The french parts are even better with near-free education.

Merit is subjective because it's based on what we choose to value. I say 'we' but actually once power accumulates in a few hands, the ruling elite decide what has merit, and that's the fundamental flaw of capitalism, or meritocracy - they are dabbles because they inevitably lead to oligarchy and corruption.

We are quickly becoming slaves to 'the market' because of the fantasy of meritocracy.

alright, 16 year old
fuck society amiirite? P H O N I E S

There’s nothing wrong with socialism when used in a nationalist nation. The globalist international socialist types are truly trying to enslave and redistribute the worlds wealth and in doing so attempt to raise the world gdp so a handful of corporate/government bodies end up benefiting while everyone is condemned to mediocrity.

>Context is the devil.

>we’re gonna take your money and give it to Cletus Jamal and Jose and your a sociopath if you don’t like it

Nationalist socialism is fascism. Internationalist is Communism. Choose your chains wisely.

Nice b8

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The bailouts were a loan and have actually made the government money in the long run. Giving free stuff to people just makes them want more free stuff. Have you not seen the signs asking you not to feed the animals because they become dependent? It’s the same concept for “people” once they realize all they have to do is stick their hands out they never attempt to earn anything on their own.

Having lived both in europe and in north America I can say that the biggest essential trait to a people's well being is their ability to say "fuck this, i deserve better" and take to the streets. Protest and yelling is healthy and the only way to ensure the middle class thrives.

I dont give a fuck about socialism I just dont want to pay for your free medical benefits and I dont want to be forced into veganism.

So instead you want the government to choose where your money gets redistributed, same fucking shit. You’ll still get an oligarchy but it’ll be based in Washington instead of Wall Street.

/thread youve all been cucked go fuck yourselves our country and western society as a whole regularly fucks the common people on a daily basis and we all sit here and take it up the ass while some of us even argue its a fantastic system.

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I mean, this is the opposite of most studies that show that people don't want to feel like worthless pieces of shit.
What do you base this on? common sense?

It actually ends up being cheaper over time if you eliminate all of the bureaucracy associated with private systems. Also take into account that actual real degenerates are a small part of society so it's a small cost to pay

To have a business fail is the mark of capitalism. Their inability to fail and need for the rest of the country to support them unwillingly is not a show of capitalism, but of tyranny

Nigga, it's the BEST system we've ever invented.
There's never been a time or place where people had it better than they do now (in the rich west).

Is it perfect? Of course not!
But unless you can come up with a better system, you might as well stop complaining because complaining isn't going to make things better.

This would be true inside a well structured medical system.
The issue is (Canadian here) that a bag of saline here costs our hospital 95$ per one. The production cost for that? 1-2$ per bag. There are hundreds of examples like this on almost all products. It really is more about exposing and cutting out the rot rather than letting it fester and forcing the cost onto the people. If your able to do that then social medicalcare is much better

The semi-socialist west like canada and northern europe live much better than the US... this is the perfect system proven by facts and studies

"The government" is people, it's not some vague other entity. The government is meant to be "the people" themselves, so therefore the people decide things for themselves via their government.

I believe most people here are arguing the opposite. I just want to know what to label this system and I think I have tyranny as my primary name for it.

There are issues with every system but imo the canadian one is far superior as a whole than the american one

What's wrong with democratic socialism, like what's going on in both the happiest and best-educated countries in the world? i.e. Scandanavia

Literally if one single nigger gets help they dont want anyone to have it

nothing, it is proven to be the best system for human happiness. Americans are just not evolved enough to realize this.

Yeah, it all comes down to racism and classism. As long as it's white and their same social class (i.e. their small in-group), they don't care.

See
We do not live much better in Canada. We actually have some of the lowest benefits for the percent tax out of any country.
And any country your referencing in Europe is likely much much smaller than America. Transfering this to a massive scale is harder than you may think. Another issue is the corruption and abuse in America, which most these small European countries don't have at all.

You are correct which is why I put the word people in parentheses. I don’t consider these bottom feeders to be people. They live in subsidized housing cashing welfare checks to buy their fatherless children a pair of air Jordan’s it will outgrow in two fucking weeks trading food stamps for drugs because stupidity truly knows no bounds in their monkey minds

I lived in France and Germany, both big countries.

I don't know where you live but I strongly disagree. The grass is greener on the other side, it's easy to imagine yourself a millionaire in the US because of lower taxes. You're probably in english canada where life is shitty, but I'm in Quebec where life is much much better due to more gov subsidies.

This numbers haven't really come out but ever since they let mass immigration in the country is no longer the happiest or best off.
There ideas and follow through are great though, the issue is scaling it up. As across all of Scandinavia there is a total of 21 million people. Literally not even a 10th of America and much smaller economic held might. Then you can get into America's absolutely insane military spending just to keep their army huge during peace time.

I've also lived in Toronto and Ontario and have seen that system as well, and the lifestyle is quite bad. It's because Ontario lacks what quebec has, which is cheap education living cost and better working conditions.

It's like liberals forgot that Obama continued the bailouts that Dubya started of his own accord

Ah your one of the French leaches. Another massive issue is we subsidies Quebec multiple times more than any other province, while their anti-bilingual mentality erodes Canada's unity. Only a French man could be blind to how bigoted and authoritarian Quebec is becoming. My point still stands that we pay more taxes than the benefits we get out. Just because it doesn't for you personally, doesn't mean all of the rest of the country doesn't suffer for it.

Yes. Those are all Socialism and plenty of right wingers complain about these things. You're an idiot. Please die.

Capitalists helping other capitalists, instead of the common man. It's how capitalism works, I don't get what's any socialistic about it.
When you help the people in expence of the industries and capitals, that is indeed socialistic.
t. Ex-USSR dweller

We are not leaches we are educated people who know how to defend our rights. Nobody forced the rest of canada to bend over backwards and suck corporation's dicks to receive some sort of pride about being "productive". Productivity goes down with excessive hours anyways, so you're literally working just for some sick sense of pride.

Dude is Sup Forums rly just full of 15 year old edgelords these days.

Imagine having nothing meaningful to focus on in the immediate surroundings of your life, so in some misguided attempt to have a purpose you jump balls deep into being concerned about the circus that is politics.

>Highly taxing multi-language use in all business
>Recent lynching of opposing parties in Quebec
>An idealistic view that french people are superior and should work less and recieved more
Yep sounds about French

>This numbers haven't really come out

So in other words everything you're saying is un-provable bullshit? I didn't read past that point.

Because note....

There are not oil workers, bankers, farmers, etc that were given money we paid in taxes... Ya, nigs...

It really makes me sad to see english canadians fall for the sad ideal of americanized capitalism. Take into account that I lived half of my life in Toronto and have seen the best that it has to offer (family in canada's richest postal codes). You guys are literally working for nothing

Or you could look at yearly reports instead of the meta-analysis. It's 100% provable but will you put in the leg work? I was mainly implying there was no simple link I could give you that would tell you everything.

Companies were also taxed trillions during the time, so they kinda just got some of their money back.

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So you never learned that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim?

You mean their rich bosses.

Damb autocorrect butchered that one. Not, note,etc is nigs

Whats sad is that currently Quebec is aiming towards racist and bigoted laws and the Canadian government isn't going to step in until a civil war or separatism of Quebec from Canada occurs.
It's to bad our government has no backbone and the rest of the provinces still have to support the rot.

Whats it like sucking corporate cock. Do they pat your head andtell you what a good boy you are afterwards

IDC if you believe me or not lol. That wasn't even really the point of my post. How would you scale up the economy for it to be possible in America?

Yep cause that doesn't make you sound like you're mentally deranged

Big businesses employ many people and help those individuals live. Poor people do not employ anyone.

Yeah but they mostly pay money to executives and don't have any incentive to pay people well. Think about the retirement age and pension plans and how horrible your prospects are now compared to in the past.

I will admit that quebec has its social problems notably with that. I am an english quebecois, I by no means support the racism and whatnot. The work and living conditions are nonetheless better and smarter. English canada doesn't have to become racist to realize that it works too much and is too good to corporations

>Fails multiple times
"B-but they are the best minds
>Runs a business miles below moderate projected income
"T-truly these people must be geniuses to keep their business"

>Pays workers a poverty wage
"B-but they created jobs"

You do realize protesting and letting those in power know you're outraged and want change is the only way to make things better. Actually dont answer cause I know you dont realize or you wouldn't be talking out of your ass

I think your missing the point. Having your costs put on other Canadians is the reason you work less. It's not Quebec's or its people's fault for this at all, but using it as an example of Canadian life being better is like saying Germany lived better during WW2 while ignoring slave labour camps of the time.
The issues with overpaying the government's capitalistic buddies is what the real issue is.
This does not take away the fact Quebec keeps voting in an anti-english government every election though.

Strawman much

You guys can exploit more from corporations. I have studied business both here and in Europe. I'm not an expert by any means but I am confident when I say that you guys can get more from corporations and force them to pay more. Social issues and economic ones are different. Many european countries force their corporations to give the people more without the racism

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Pretty sure thats not what Communism is. Communism is when the means of production are in the hands of the people. It has nothing to do with stealing peoples land of culture

The wall street "bailouts" were loans that were paid back with interest. Plus if the loans weren't made and the banks folded, the only people who would actually suffer would be the middle class.
You're an uneducated retarded doublenigger.

Yea you are right. We can and should be getting more from them, but that is not within my capabilities to do and our government (or lack of) is the real issue here. Yea I'll try and keep government issues and social ones seperate but they eventually become linked in law making and decisions

This is written like the author is a self hating former communist who is only vaguely aware of the definition of "western capitalism" from communist literature

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Some social issues will never be solved. Trust, i've been perceived as mr english by hardcore quebecois and have seen their racism and shit. many cultures have century-long hatreds that will just not be solved. But I truly hope that english canada fights for less work hours and cheaper schooling and even more. I truly love toronto and the maritimes and hate to see people work like dogs in offices.

So you think anyone who isn't an executive working for auto companies and big banks is poor? You spend too much time on Twitter following ignorant accounts.

It's true and eventually comes down to choice. Will I ever work as a dog for my master? Very likely no. For the ability to spread my income across business outside of the capitalist model is increasing and my dependence on the government is already starting to fade. Atleast I hope I can live in Canada without the need to be involved with the government.

A real conservative doesn't want any of them to get taxpayer money.