Season 2

No, seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?

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>let's make kino
And they did. Fantastic show, I've yet to read a good reason why it's not good. A few bad lines of dialogue doesn't make it bad.

>what the fuck were they thinking?

>lets hire 4 big actors to make up for the shit script! people will watch this shit, right?

I don't know what they were thinking desu. I only lasted 3 episodes. They should've just quit while they were ahead. Season 1 was a masterpiece.

pretty much this.

solid follow up to an incredible, but flawed first season.

I am convinced pizza wrote it with just frank and ray. Then HBO said it needed to meet the diversity quota so he was forced to put in a stronk woman and a queer.

I like it. But i also have a soft spot for broken-and-morally-corrupt-but-not-quite-as-bad-as-the-bad-guys cop dramas especially set in and around LA and NYC.

They were hoping to capitalize on the previous season's success without considering why it was successful in the first place. Audience tastes and trends change so often that when producers decide to give a series or movie the go ahead it's almost always just throwing shit at the ceiling and seeing what sticks. In this case they thought the name alone could carry the second season instead of the writing and characters.

>I've yet to read a good reason why it's not good.
Read these:
1, the characters were empty shells
2, the plot and script were boring
3, nobody gave a fuck about the characters
4, the "friendships" weren't believeable
5, it was shit

The problem is they have too many fucking characters and the plot is too fucking convoluted and boring to even give a shit about. They should have axed the dyke and the fag and the show would have been 1000000% better.

not an argument

>the show and characters didn't make me care
>good reasons
Vanilla a shit, chocolate master race.

The script was a nonsensical mess
Can you tell me what is the overarching theme of the plot?
Everything happens without a reason, nothing makes sense from a storytelling point of view

>too many fucking characters and the plot is too fucking convoluted

Seemed to me like they tried to cram 5 seasons worth of characters and plot development into 10 episodes.

No, they're reasons why it's shit. I didn't present an argument, I gave him reasons.

yeah that's the problem, otherwise enjoyable though.

I marathoned first season of Expanse just this week and while it had a more simple, cleaner plot it didn't stand out nearly as much as TD did.

I don't remember shit all from TD season 2 but it was still aesthetic and fun to watch. Not many shows can say that.

they honestly did, and the characters they tried to cram in weren't even good characters worth ruining the rest of the show for

I was kind of enjoying it until the last episode, expecting something would eventually happen that would wrap everything up.
Then I realized that nothing that happened before mattered at all and it just felt like a complete waste of time.

Yeah it was really up its own ass. Still enjoyed Ray and Frank and so many little bits and pieces. Shame it fell apart. Hoping good things for S3 and onward.

The whole gaycop plotline seemed like something that was written for early-2000s sociopolitics.

Like who the fuck needs to stay in the closet THAT BADLY when you live in fucking LA in the era of legal gay marriage?

>1, the characters were empty shells
In what sense? I presumme you're not complaining about them being pessimistic, so I disagree - I thought they were great charcaters. How are they not 'full'?
>2, the plot and script were boring
I disagree. I was very intrigued by it's plot, mroe so than in season 1. I couldn't tell you the name of any of the victims in season 1. Kaspere was central to the entire plot, even when it went off to deal with the corruption. Season 1 starts throwing in random bits of corruption in the church and polcie with no real resolution, it's left up to 2 other detectives.
>3, nobody gave a fuck about the characters
I did
>4, the "friendships" weren't believeable
Which friendships? Ray and Ani may have happened a bit quickly, eveything else was fine from what I rememeber
>5, it was shit
Hmm

i never saw season 2 (loved season 1 though)

can some cliff notes it for me so i know what i've missed?

>they didnt understand a Greek tragedy

disappointment is what you missed, dont watch it.

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Compare these two very similar scenes from both season. Each involves a character acting violently in their position of police power in order to exact petty revenge.

With Marty the scene is part of mosaic that makes up his character. He's a husband, a father, a self proclaimed by the book cop, but underneath there are deeper issues that begin to bubble up to the surface and affect his life. From a logic perspective the scene makes sense, Marty is in total control because he has the backing of the cops and sort of understanding with the dudes in the cell. It makes sense for the moment to be self contained.

Ray's scene is just another moment in the one dimensional portrayal of him being a man on the edge. Ray is seen as constantly stuck in rage, and no matter how justified it is, it lacks depth. The fact that Ray faces no consequences for violently assaulting after not only identifying himself as a cop, but also linking his actions to the bully kid's actions against his son. Given Ray's history of erratic behaviour, it really wouldn't be hard for the family to track hin down with the help of the school, but the scene is never brought up again. Ray just gets away with it. Before you say he has Vinci PD protection thats bullshit because he was acting outside of his jurisdiction when he assaulted the dude, and the police could easily just wait for him to show up at the school to arrest him

>The fact that Ray faces no consequences for violently assaulting
>but the scene is never brought up again
It is - his wife threatens to tell the police about the incident if he doesn't leave them alone, and that she's going to get the DNA test. Did you not watch it?

it wasn't just about staying in the closet

he didnt want to be gay, he even took viagra so he could fuck women

But those aren't real consequences. Ray violently assaults someone on their front porch while pretty much screaming out his identity, and his only consequence is his wife blackmailing him? How does that make any fucking sense? Ass-pen's dad is suddenly just cool with not doing anything about it or taking it to the cops because Ray's wife is using the incident for her own needs? >

They're not taking it to the cops presumably because they'd be afraid of Ray coming back. Or maybe they did take it to the cops, and the cops didn't do anything because they're using Ray?
You said there were no consequences and it was never brought up again, I proved otherwise. Whether it satisfies you isn't really relevant. But I don't understand why you wouldn't buy the idea that people are afraid of reporting something.

It doesn't have the magic of the first season, but I think it holds itself quite well. Not a big fan of the ending and how the young cop died.

>Not a big fan of the ending
Did you not like Frank's final scene?

I was fine with that, also with Velcoro dying. But Bezzerides surviving and being pregnant? It didn't feel right.

I've got to say that I was very skeptical about Vince Vaughn being in this, but he ended being my favourite.

That's just a 'palpatine is clouding the force' tier cover up for mediocre writing.

There is nothing mediocre about it, his actions had consequences. Just because they didn't end up having the consequences you wanted doesn't make it mediocre.

Wow, fresh off the boat, huh kid?
>1, the characters were empty shells
The characters were all broken individuals collapsing under the weight of their issues - repression and suppression were major themes.
>2, the plot and script were boring
You thought that almost the exact same plot (people go missing in a covered up conspiracy that goes all the way to the top) as season 1 was boring?
>3, nobody gave a fuck about the characters
You don't have to like a character for them to be a good character, kid. If you're referring to other characters, that's because our mains were RAGING ASSHOLES.I loved them for it.
>4, the "friendships" weren't believeable
Friendships are diverse, it's not just people you go out of your way to bullshit with or raid in an MMO with. I'm friends with a guy at work, but we've never seen each other outside of the job. Frank and Ray were better friends to each other than some I've had.
>5, it was shit
Not a reason.

I never thought of that, but it does explain the separation of the two stories

He couldn't reconcile his nature and it killed him.

>Season 1 starts throwing in random bits of corruption in the church and polcie with no real resolution
The Tuttle family had a lot of branches - the green eared man and his half-sister (whom grandpa Tuttle raped), the meth cooks in episode 5, the former Iberia sheriff Childress, and more. Point was that some of these people went on to embed themselves in politics and positions of importance, leaving all the cult rape/murder stuff behind along with the poisoned branches, who kept on killing and culting.

I know that, I mean it didn't do much with it. It was a good idea, and watching season 2 made me realise season 1 didn't do as good of job with it. Don't get me wrong, season 1 didn't have anywhere near the focus on corruption as season 2, but elements were included with not much going for it. Nothing is really done about the corruption - especially by Marty and Rust. It isn't really as concrete and important as the corruption in season 2, and it was just disappointing there was no resolution.
Season 1 was great, and I was really impressed with some of the details (e.g Marty talking about never shooting someone early in the series, then (for the first time) shoots someone in cold blood), but the murder and corruption around it was lacking. Normally I see people say the opposite, and I don't see where they're coming from. Season 1 and season 2 had different strengths, I don't understand why people insist season 2 was inferior in every way.

>My father always told me, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Well now I got no hands.

>vinceposting will never come back
it hurts

>Nothing is really done about the corruption - especially by Marty and Rust
They solved the murder of Dora Lange and all those kids that went missing. News in the background implicated SENATOR (governor in 95) Edwin Tuttle.
I seem to recall the end in the hospital Rust or Marty was telling the other they didn't get them all, to which the other replied they got theirs.
The point is that no, they didn't do anything about the corruption but they did manage to stop the killings, bring the Tuttle secrets to light, and finally solve the case.

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Story was cold fish
Events rammed together with heavy coincidence when needed
Moments meant to be intriguing were domestic and trite
Attempt at "edgy" characters was artless and the obvious main thrust of production
Script was laughably bad
Instead of "mystery" we got "the-lack-of-making-sense"
When it finally did make sense, it was some who-cares let down.

>watches Judex once

Bravo Pizzacola

I'm not saying nothing was done throughout the season, just there wasn't much done from the corruption angle. It's handed off to other characters, which is probably realistic - but it seems a bit unsatisfying, since it really is built up.
On the other-hand you may argue that season 1's resolution with the murderer is more satisfying than season 2's. I think that really shows there were similarities between the seasons that were handled differently. I don't see why that has to be a bad thing.

How do you follow up a season with heavy Lovecraft themes with some plain role reversal and closet work?

Apparently they had no idea what they were doing in S1 and accidentally hit gold with it.

>Like who the fuck needs to stay in the closet THAT BADLY when you live in fucking LA in the era of legal gay marriage?

Cops. Also he was fucked in the head like all the characters it was kinda the point

Yeah that's probably the biggest issue, they take the element that made it really unique (even if it was never confirmed) and just cut it out entirely, it made the shows atmosphere so much better. Season 2 was just depressing, it was too realistic, why not just watch the fucking news while you're at it?

Cary, Matt, Woody > > > > Pizza

Season 2 bad actual supernatural elements though

There's nothing Lovecraftian about season one you dumb pleb.

I read somewhere that HBO basically wanted season two as soon as humanly possible and forced Pizza to rush his script.

Woman cop playing all the guy-cop cliches

Dirty cop loves his estranged kid

Cop hero struggles """valiantly""" not to be gay

Wew crime lord has money/dick trouble

Insert intriguing, cultish animism hints of something sinister and arcane under surface of drab story

Proceed to do absolutely nothing with this brief hint

Drama beats underwhelming

confusing story turns out to be simply uninteresting

Cringy dialogue

Some criminals and bad cops make shifty land deal

Human trafficking

Escape corrupt bad guys via hide in Meheecoh

>a guy once told me silence is golden frank
>we'll I've only got silver and I dont feel like keeping my mouth shut

why did they ruin the first season with those last 2 episodes

post cute ani's

King in Yellow, though not written by HP is part of Lovecraft lore. HP references it and Carcossa in his works. Thus Lovecraft cannon.

Nick Pizza was miffed people liked the horror elements, likely because either they were entirely by accident or added by someone that wasn't him, and cut it entirely to focus on "muh gritty cop relationships" but it's apparent in the second season he doesn't know how to do that either.
The first season was complete luck stemming from amazing chemistry from the two leads and occult horror vibes.

Huh? what, the bar scenes? No

The animal masks were a great direction but went fucking nowhere. Zero.

Nothing Supernatural at all. Unless you consider VV's lines supernaturally bad.

>Ani during that orgy scene

>Ray's conversation with his father
>Frank's death

Galveston is a truly great book. And i used to drink with pizza at this little bar in galveston sometimes.

The book is extremely well thoughtbout wnd researched. And the first season of td is a metamorphasis of the book into the even more backward swamps of louisiana. Sry hitchcock it gets worse.

Season 2 could have been a great story except there are 2 main characters that don't belong.