Were the world cup (2014) and Olympic games (2016) good or bad for Brazil?

Were the world cup (2014) and Olympic games (2016) good or bad for Brazil?

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Excessively bad

Good despite of overrated criticism and internal sabotages

Bad. The word cup was pretty cool tho.

How was it good? I'm not trying to shitpost, I am genuinely interested in your views on the matter.

completely wasted opportunity to build infrastructure

how isn't there still a train line from Rio to Sao Paulo for example

Inversions in infrastructure and venues who wouldn't happen or would happen in too slower speed and international visibility offered who means more worldwide reach for culture and tourism

Internal sabotage. Main responsable is José Serra, former minister and state governor and current national traitor.

You're a fucking retard. Olympic stands were half empty don't you remember? Gullible idiot who eats up media and hotel industry lobby.

Complete waste of money.

Would have easily won that world cup if nerman wasn't targeted. You can't do that it's cheating. Brazil would have BTFO Argentina in the final so much easier than Germany struggled to do

You are a retard, it was a colossal waste of money and a pretext for corruption.

In some events, not the majority of them

Inversions in economy aren't "waste of money"

Also
There wasn't more foreigner visitors because of internal anti-events campaigns like "dãããã, num vai tê Cópa dããããã" damaging national image worldwide

You're a fucking tool.
Not even the br you were arguing against btw.

To answer OP, it was a waste of time and money. And another opportunity for corrupt people to bite some fat chunk of money.

Anything is pretext for corruption and underdog complex is the biggest one

Jesus fuck, I really hope you get hit by a train today.

the vast majority of Olympic events, besides soccer and volleyball, had half empty stands, sometimes even more empty. Engenhão only got filled during the 100m sprint final. In fact, if it wasn't a major final event no one cared. As usual the vast majority of tourists are from South Americans, who don't have much money, Europeans hardly set a foot in this crime-ridden place. Rio is completely broke thanks to this bullshit.

>waste of money

Nobody say it on Germany, Canada, South Africa, Russia, Worst Korea, China, Qatar, but say it against Brazil. Total underdog complex.

Topkek. We held the Olympics in 2004, you should google for some pictures of how our venues, infrastructure, etc look nowadays.

Celebrate with José Serra the non-existence of high-speed train now

Any olympic host city has similar things. Even London and Beijing.

>he's dead
Feels bad

our stuff is still pretty good i think

Olympics in 1992 had less sports than now and less sports means less venues.

are you really this dense

>dãããã, num vai tê Cópa dããããã
What is this? I have never heard of it before.

Is he really? I thought that was only conjecture.

of course not, that retard actually believes first world tourists didn't come because of some fringe political movements, instead of because this is a lawless warzone.

It was pretty shite. Basically, it helped make (already) rich people, FIFA and politicians richer while fucking people over. Your average brazilian could never go to the games because of terrible overpricing. Many poor brazilians were also removed from their homes in order to build luxuous stadiums.

If the World Cup was probably the best in many years in footballing terms, in was just not worth it in every other sense. Take Maracanã, for exemple: it has become so expensive to manage after the overpriced reforms that clubs will usually not use it; the Carioca Championship final will not be there because it is more lucrative to rent it to shows. And we're talking about the most legendary brazilian stadium. You can guess how the other, minor ones are doing.

You voted for Dilma, didn't you? just admit it.

They would get richer by any form under FIFA structure.
World Cup matches being overpriced is more than obvious. The biggest football tournament in the World and everybody wants to watch it.
Remotions are a problem but they happen with or without World Cup and Olympic Games. Immobiliary speculation doesn't wait sports events to work.
If private iniciative isn't able to manage the new venues, so it isn't responsability of State. State did your part proving facilities.

I'll agree with you on all that - however it just proves that the Worldc up was a bad move for Brazil. We thrashed Maracanã, man. That's how deep it gets.

Campaings like "Não Vai Ter Copa" (There will not have World Cup). Many people following orders from right-wing politicians and parties working to sabote World Cup, because it would get political benefits for federal government from then (center-left). Main plan was to cread a bad feeling on WC to provoke a punishment on center-left government to allow a right-wing government. They failed to win elections and then did force a judiciary-parliamentary coup one year and half later.

If I am getting this right, you are all saying that...

Firstly, Brazil did not have the economic means to construct the infrastructure required and maintain it following the events. Secondly, the eviction of poor people from areas around where the state sought to build stadiums was illegal. Thirdly, the Brazilian people did not want these events. Finally, that many corrupt politicians involved sought to bolster their own bank accounts with ill-gotten gains through the guise of these two world events.

It isn't a proof against WC in Brazil. It was option of Rio de Janeiro state government. They could choice for a new stadium but it didn't happen.

Yeah he voted Dilma

It''s official version from right-wing

1. Brazil had and have economic means to build the infrastructure
2. Immobiliary speculation works with or without sporting events. If no World Cup, anything elsa would work as pretext for remotions
3. Brazilian people did want these events. Protests against came from political minority hugged with underdog complex
4. WC budget was R$ 31 million and divided in 7 years. The impact of sporting events was small in BR GDP or public budget.

For fucks sake, it would be even worse, who the fuck would use it?

Really, get out of your own star-shaped ass. The World Cup was a disaster for Brazil medium and long term. It's got nothing to do with "stray dog complex", it's got to do with the fact that the major beneficary was Odebrecht and other construction companies. It wasn't done for the brazilian people. It was done for FIFA and the oligarchies. And you blokes fell for it.

I bet you even volunteered and offered free labor to those scum fucks.

Disaster is the coup, not the WC. If liberalism fails, it's not fault of State.

Better Odebrecht than foreigner companies. Profits go to Brazil and not to abroads.

Take this, coming from a commie: it brought nothing of use to working class people. Some fucked up brt here and there, some minor metro improvements. Then we could be happy being forced out of homes and watching this all from qualquer bar da esquina.

>The coup is the real disaster, companies now have taken over the country!!!
>Supports an event made mostly for the companis which then fucked PT over

wew lad

Infrastructure facilities and sports venues. Overpriced tickets are choice from private adminstration of some venues.

Who has the control of country is United States
National companies are destroyed by the coupists to cancel any link with democratic government pre-coup. The people relates pre-coup with good economy.

Oh yeah, Dilma's economy was great LMAO

Deal with it, Cambiemos hacker

What is remotions?

I find it astonishing that people like you exist

Jesus, it's even worse than i thought. You're not even petista, you're with PCO.

I imagine you're a well intentioned leftist. I suggest you read the brazilians with teoria marxista da dependência. I hope you get that there is no disconnection between american interests and brazilian capital. There is no such thing as "companies with national interests".

People, usually in poor homes, shackles, occupations which have not been settled by the justice, being evicted in order to build high-income housing complexes.

What kind of losers earns minimum wage? Also, the need to raise the minimum wage probably comes from the fact that inflation was high

Remotion: when some populated areas are goal of a new build and who lives in them are removed from other areas (with some payment as reparation)

>ignoring money under circulation moves up economy. Keynes has sent regards.

>ignoring imperialism doesn't want to get direct control over country

Correction
>implying imperialism doesn't want to get direct control over country

>economy grows 3%
>prices grow 5%
Literally a recession masqueraded as growth

>shackles
i meant shacks

There's inflation when there's demand and demand is consequence of economic growth

dude, i do not ignore this. the point is only that the national bourgeoisie is never a viable option to counteract this. they will, as they have multiple times, open up their legs and gladly ally with transnational capital.

there lies the problem with your passionate defense of national capital. and there lies the problem with your denial that the world cup was indeed bad for the country. INCLUDING, from your own point of view, the fact that it accelerated Dilma's demise!

Is this better?

This essay will contend that the World Cup and Olympic games were detrimental to Brazil for the following reasons. Firstly, despite Brazil structuring the payments for the infrastructure required for these events over numerous years, the country did not have the economic means to construct the infrastructure required and maintain it following the events. Secondly, the eviction of poor people from areas around where the state sought to build stadiums was illegal, however if the pretext of these sporting events had not been used then other reasons would have been invented. Thirdly, a percentage of the Brazilian people did not want these events. This will be analysed and whether it was a vocal minority or large majority shall we critiqued. Finally, that many corrupt politicians involved sought to bolster their own bank accounts with ill-gotten gains through the guise of these two world events.

With Dilma still president, Brazilian GDP went from 2.6 billion o 1.8 billion, the biggest recession in the history of Brazil

are you writing an essay, my dude? i can point some articles to you.

GDP in US dollars. Exchange rate provokes the difference.

Yeahhh, it is not due for several weeks but I cannot sleep so I am just starting it now. I would very much appreciate any and all articles that you could show me. Thank you very much.

>GDP shrinks with 10% inflation

top fucking kek, Dilma was objectively the worst president in the history of Brazil, going by the numbers

State can run economy properly without whore for imperialism.

Repeating: World Cup was good for country. If private iniciative and foreigner forces worked for coup, it's issue from other nature, non-related with World Cup

Apparently you didn't read the poins. See them again:

1. Brazil had and have economic means to build the infrastructure
2. Immobiliary speculation works with or without sporting events. If no World Cup, anything elsa would work as pretext for remotions
3. Brazilian people did want these events. Protests against came from political minority hugged with underdog complex
4. WC budget was R$ 31 million and divided in 7 years. The impact of sporting events was small in BR GDP or public budget.

I'm adding a fifth point now:
5. Judiciary is part of coup. Selective investigations over corruption, right-wing politicians and parties being protected by judges and prosecutors, any people related with overthrown government being victim of lawfare. Lots of international jurists are writing on this.

>ignoring exchange rate

People doesn't buy in US dollars, but in local currency

>insisting with post-truths
>cambiemos hackers

the ones I possess will focus more on analysing the olympics and world cup from an perspective critical to neoliberalism and mostly evaluating its political economic impacts, but I'm sure it can give you some general picture even if you depart from other theorical settings and interests.

journals.openedition.org/articulo/2813

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if you'd want more, link me your email (or a fake one) and i can send you some pdfs.

So on top of the GDP shrinking despite double digit inflation, you have your currency being shitfaced and somehow that makes it a good thing lmao

yes, it can.

but only in socialism, with full nationalized-state-run companies. otherwise, it's going to happen like it has in 64 and 16.

>implying strong exchange rate is good for economy
>forgeting 1 dollar = 1 peso thing

You aren't argentinian. Who is argentinian doesn't ignore Menem policies over exchange rate

Dilma managed to increase inflation, stagnate the GDP, increase debt, increase debt:gdp ratio, and increase interest rates all at the same time.

Hi

The WC: the fact that they got 7-1'd ruined a great WC for them

Olympics: it's alway stupid to host the olympic games, literally no one cares and you wast lot of money on, even worse if it's a 3rd world country

[email protected] - Mate, you are an absolute God send. Thank you once again.

I will take a look at the articles you linked me now. If I suddenly disappear it is because I have fallen asleep though. It is nearly 2am here, haha.

And still you have some guy in this thread defending her.
And probably is not even a guy who benefitted from corruption but some favelado guy who was given a free tshirt once

Buenos Aires tried to host 1968 Olympics and 2004 Olympics

>posts picture of one of the most brutal repressors of the working class

good job :^) i hope you still have your voluntotário shirt at home

Economic plan was interrpted by coup. Proper results would be seen this year.

You're gonna take advice from a literal communist who describes Brazil, fucking Brazil the place where we have import taxes of 60%, as "neoliberal".

He isn't called Costa e Silva or Castello Branco or Médici or Geisel or Figueiredo

Mate, if you want to link me articles as well or point me in the direction of good sources then be my guest, haha. I am more than happy to build a multifaceted essay.

>there was only repression in the last dictatorship brazil faced
i bet you are one of those dudes who say "VAI ESTUDAR HISTÓRIA" but knows shit about it

Imported goods are useless when people hasn't money because no jobs as effect of no national companies.

Protectionism creates jobs

...

link him articles then duderino

Say hello for 1950 Presidential Election

>not buying notebooks factored here

I really wanna see your 100% Brazilian-made laptop.

>there is only repression when there's an open dictatorship

if this is bait i'm kindly falling for it

sent

>Many people following orders from right-wing politicians and parties working to sabote World Cup

holy shit, how does it feel to have lula's cock buried deep in your mouth?

and to any non-hue reading this, NOBODY wanted the wc or the olympics here. The only people defending those events here were either politicians or complete retards

Good.

Less money to feed and handle healthcare to the nigger population, increasing their chance of dying.

>being one of the right-wing ducks

Was she, dare I say it, /elite/?!?

it was good, both good

My city recived World Cup and it was one of best experiences on my life, i have meet people from all parts of the world that i never thogout to meet

also Fanzone was one the best parts of the show, im non-Brazil game days (when the space was totally filled as fuck) the fun was good and was funn to see people cheering to own team

Also we reuse the most WC Stadiums until today so they havent become white elephants

>R$31 million
Are you high?
The budget was in the billions

Bait

>Currency exchange rates do not affect prices
Jesus Christ, 'tism is running rampant

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LA PEQUENA ABOMINACIÓN BRASILEÑA

>World Cup
Sports wise: Disastrous (for us)
Organization wise: Good

>Olympics
Sports wise: Good
Organization wise: Sent the Rio government (both state and city) into bankruptcy

>2018
>still being left
Die in a fire. Your ilk has destroyed what was left of decency in this country. Leave it to the big boys now.