Boxers use the excuse that Toney was old when he fought in MMA.
Pic related is 40 years old and a former olympic wrestler that won silver in the 2000 olympics and he is one of the most dangerous fighters in the MW division
Boxers use the excuse that Toney was old when he fought in MMA.
Pic related is 40 years old and a former olympic wrestler that won silver in the 2000 olympics and he is one of the most dangerous fighters in the MW division
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tony was natty unlike this roidhead who cant make weight
also yoel would get shit on in a boxing match whats your point.
>also yoel would get shit on in a boxing match
Not a good point. MMA is a neutral ground. Everything that is allowed in wrestling and boxing is allowed in MMA
not sure what your point is?
wrestlers naturally have a strong advantage in MMA
So you admit that boxers would have to train some grappling in order to find success in MMA. That's all I wanted.
definitely. grappling is the foundation of any good MMA fighter.
there's a difference between being a 40 year old mma fighter who spent his entire life wrestling and learning mma techniques
and starting to learn all those techniques when you're 40.
you succeeded in looking like a moron good job
ray mercer vs tim sylvia??
boxers have no chance in mma kek
low kicks of peace
>james toney was natty
Screeching
mma fighters have no chance in boxing either
2 completely different sports
That was a fluke. Tim Sylvia stood right in front of him (suicide against a boxer). I have proof:
Ray Mercer lost to a guy who was an internet street fighter
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MMA fans reference the Couture Toney fight like it means anything. Toney was an old fat fuck looking for a pay check
Was originally scheduled as a boxing match. They agreed to keep the fight standing and only punch, Sylvia kicked him to start the fight which is why Mercer got pissed
The biggest actual boxing upset over MMA is Danny Lafever vs Benji Raddach. Lafever was a nobody boxer who beat Raddach who was actually a pretty decent fighter and one of the best ones at his weight at the time outside the UFC
why do people lose all sense of logic when having this discussion. I have never not even once heard boxers are saying they can go into mma without learning the techniques and do well. Tons of boxers have made the switch to mma and learned bjj/wresting
Boxing isnt a sport its glorified ballet
But the point of MMA initially was to test styles. MMA itself is no style. Top fighters train 3 arts to fight MMA: Usually BJJ, Wrestling and some form of striking like boxing/muay thai/kickboxing even karate
who cares
so Usain Bolt would lose in a decathlon against a decathlete, we al know who the greater talent is
I mean ray mercer wasn't an incredible boxer but tim sylvia was a world champion soooo...
that's your opinion man
that might have been the original intention, but as the sport evolves, people train what's most effective to be successful
Ray Mercer was a world champion. And you want to talk about Toney not giving a fuck and being out of shape, Sylvia was basically obese then and already gone from the UFC, didn't care and again the rules were originally boxing only
Yes, the decathlon athlete because he's better in every athletic related discipline, yet for some reason the one dimensional meme gets applauded
it was sylvias sport, it was not james toney's sport, how ignorant can you be
boxing world championships are far less meaningful than a ufc one, there are vacant boxing titles non stop and there are like 50 of them in each weight class, make a better argument
But how can the guy who needs more restriction to fight be a better fighter than a guy who fights closer to reality in an 1 vs 1 situation?
>Ray Mercer was a world champion
WBO was not a legit belt then
The UFC wasn't the biggest promotion when Sylvia was champion of the UFC. The best heavyweights were in PRIDE:
Fedor, Nogueira, Cro cop
Also you guys keep conveniently ignoring that mercer lost to a literal bum
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Obese sylvia just stood in front of him like a moron
>it was sylvias sport
Do you know how to read, retard? The fight was originally supposed to be a boxing match, the commission made it an MMA fight, then they agreed to box only in the fight
>boxing world titles mean less
Yet Mercer was still a champion, the WBO heavyweight champ after knocking out Tommy Morrison, and if you want to nitpick then the UFC's heavyweight division at the time was second to Pride's heavyweight division. Sylvia was maybe the 5th best heavyweight at best at that time.
>make a better argument
Its completely fine. You're a retard that can't read and doesn't like his frilly narratives about boxers being actual fighters ruined
I don't give a shit
Why are MMA fans so insecure?
40 year old geriatric retired Floyd stopped mcgregor for the first time in 6 years lmao
so ken shamrock is garbage then?
Why do boxing fans get so insecure that their fighters would get pummeled by middle school aged wrestlers? Cuck fetish?
>amateur goes 10 rounds with one of the greatest boxers of all time
Nice """"sport""""
I don't think anyone cares mate. MMA seems to be struggling atm, maybe you should focus on improving your sport instead of shitting on others?
I saw a kick thrown and attempted ground and pound. I don't care what it was supposed to be, IT WAS an mma match.
>knocking out MMA "fighters" left and right
>knocks out the MMA featherweight "GOAT" in 13 seconds
>can't even make Floyd flinch with his punches
Floyd carried Conor btw
>40 years old
>significantly smaller
>not a hard puncher
still walked through connor's best shots and put made him quit connor would not last seconds with boxers of similar size such as ggg, canelo or errol spence
Nigger do you literally not know how to read? I'll even repost it to drive it through your fat head
>as originally scheduled as a boxing match. They agreed to keep the fight standing and only punch, Sylvia kicked him to start the fight which is why Mercer got pissed
Are you just mad because the context literally deprives you of any satisfaction?
>muh tv ratings
The lowest rated UFC on Fox show did equal to or better than any PBC on Fox show did, ever
>literally his first boxing match ever
>still manages to go 10 rounds with one of the greatest of all time
Now I know why they call it a boxing match, and not a fight. What a pathetic """"sport"""
>h-he wasn't even trying
Sad!
Kimbo fought Mercer in June 23, 2007
First pro fight in November 10, 2007
He fought shamrock in June 19, 2015
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>verbal agreement to stand and box (not part of the rules)
>threw a kick
sounds like he lied and still got slept
Imagine a basketball player putting 3 goals past a hockey goalie
Now imagine hockey fans being impressed the goalie only let in 3
That's Mayweather-McGregor
Why did Fox lowball the new contract then? Oh, because UFC no longer has any big draws. Even McGregor probably won't fight again since he made more money in one boxing match than the entirety of his UFC career.
>the specialist beat the generalist in the specialist's game.
No shit
I'll post it again
>Was originally scheduled as a boxing match. They agreed to keep the fight standing and only punch, Sylvia kicked him to start the fight which is why Mercer got pissed
Mayweather trains only his hands. Conor has to train everything: kicks, knees, elbows, punches, takedown defense, ground game(a world on its own)
first person to stop connor in a fight was a 40 year old past his prime who was much smaller and never known as a power puncher
Because the recent ratings are low? Do you expect PBC to get a good deal or something? Cord cutting is happening to every sport. I'm not saying the UFC is in some boom or something but to imply its dying is as silly to say boxing is dying
What are you talking about? Conor had been stopped before in MMA by Duffy, Sitemkov and Nate Diaz
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>"""verbal""""agreement to """"box""""
>threw a kick
>James "Lights Out!" Toney
What did he mean by this?
Im sorry that wasn't a fight, that was a boxing match between the greatest of all time in the sport vs an amateur who does more coke than cardio. I'd be utterly humiliated if Floyd came into MMA and even lasted a minute against Conor. Apparently a bum in boxing going half an hour against an all time great is the norm
Did Sylvia try to wrestler with him or did he just stand there like a fat fuck in front of Mercer?
Look at Kimbo vs Mercer and Toney vs Randy
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Yes, that's why Mercer got pissed, it was nonetheless supposed to be boxing strictly, that doesn't mean they were actually fighting as if it was an MMA fight
But sure, Ray Mercer is an excellent grappler evident by getting choked by Kimbo
Do you just enjoy your narrative getting put on pooicide watch?
If conor went against someone like GGG or Canelo he would've been starched in 30 seconds
Yes, the reserve would probably happen in an MMA fight
Cannor wouldn't have survived two rounds with Canelo lol.
>i-i-i-if
Conor went 10 rounds with the greatest of all time in boxing. That's embarrassing even for your faux-sport
hmmm went 10 rounds with Floyd, sure styles make fights but floyd is the GOAT and conor lasted pretty long
i think you overestimate how much of a sport boxing really is
its more like a video game
a faux sport that's still more popular and lucrative than your white-trash pub brawl sport will ever be.
>9 seconds
he threw a kick and had basically no time to do anything else so we will never know, but he already broke the verbal agreement by throwing the kick
Except it's not the goat in his prime you clown. Are you trolling or that retarded? Prime mayweather would've ripped his head off in live tv. It's like beating up a 60 year old Muhammad Ali and saying you beat the goat
>we wuz lukrative n sheet
cringing for you
I know there's alot of spergs here, but I'm more convinced everyone is fucking around right. I mean you cant be that dumb.
he comes from a sport where you get hit in the head a lot what is your point, all he did by lasting 10 rounds is take more brain damage, what a legend
I never said prime, doesn't even matter, he's still in fantastic shape and conor effortlessly went 10 rounds.
Again just imagine some drunk tard off the street putting up 30 on Jordan, basketball fans would be livid.
Then again basketball is a sport so they have standards
>sport literally only survives due to hype jobs and meme fighters like rousey, lesnar, slice etc, and your only stay fighter keeps getting banned for doping
lmao'ing @ you
Im not repeating it again, if you have issues with your narrative being shattered that an MMA fighter actually lost a quasi-boxing match thats on you
>all these fools talking big like they are in anyway professional in anything other than being soy sucking neets
joe rogan here ama
except conor can actually take a punch as this was the first time he was ever stopped and he comes from a boxing background in the first place, your drunk tard comparison doesn't exactly make sense
>sport only survives due to hype jobs and meme fighters
Sounds like every sport
>the greatest of all time in this discipline took almost the maximum alloted time to defeat his untrained opponent, how impressive!!!
Being in fantastic shape at 40 years of age coming off a 4 year retirement is different than being right in the prime if your career. This holds especially true in the lower weight classes where there is a bigger emphasis on speed as opposed to power. Conor didn't effortlessly make 10 rounds when he missed virtually every significant shot he threw and nearly died the round prior to the TKO.
9 seconds, sorry your ground humper never got his chance to lay on top of another man
And the drunk tard played ball in high school, he must be totally near Jordan's level!!!
>comes from a boxing background
No he doesn't, he comes from a karate-taekwondo background and won some amateur title in boxing when he was 18. Does every amateur suddenly have a shot of going 10 rounds with Floyd because they fought in Golden Gloves?
I hear the UFC is trying to bring Lesnar in again? Fucking hell, the desperation lmao
Literally never said prime. Lebron could take 10 years off from basketball and it'd be an absolute joke if some junior college shitter kept a 5 point margin with him until the last two minutes
The answer to this thread is pretty straightforward. Yoel is a rare genetic freak, that also happens to be on PEDS.
>multiple division world champion striker
>high school ball
yeah man I totally see the similarity
>he says as boxing brought in some coked up drunk mick to go 10 rounds with their GOAT
smdh
I know right? Otherwise it would've ended up just like this! But the quasi-boxing match prevented that :(
That's a bad example because
A) they're different sports
B) Conor didn't put Floyd in any trouble at any point of the fight. So saying "5 point margin" is misleading because the fight was one sided.
>greatest boxer of all time against a guy whose boxing experience is some third tier amateur tournament when he was 18
Seems pretty apt, but yeah dude in every other sport you'd see Tom Brady going toe to toe with the best
>different sports
Like boxing and MMA?
Conor went 10 rounds with Floyd. TEN ROUNDS. Against an amateur. AMATEUR.
Toney was washed up. He's incredibly punch drunk from sparring everyday instead of doing roadwork.
did kimbo get ray to the ground before he got his first punch off? oh what's that, he didn't? I guess all your """"point"""" proves is that kimbo has a better chin than sylvia
conor never had a chance at winning
You would be too if your favorite sport is essentially WWE lite
You realise all of Slice's opponents were paid to lose?
Still funny how the UFC gave him every chance possible because they needed the viewership tho
My point is that boxing isn't a sport and they get floored by 12 year old wrestlers. Quasi boxing matches dont really prove anything
And still went 10 rounds. I get that boxing isn't a sport so these comparisons about nobodies in other sports coming and dominating doesn't sound so far off. But it's very embarrassing
>i-it was fixed!!!!
Yeah im sure ray mercer is a wrestling and jiu jitsu ace
Kimbo got two fights in the UFC and was then let go, i would hardly call that every chance
Obviously a boxer is extremely unlikely to beat an MMA fighter. Any and every martial artist is unlikely to because MMA practitioners are well rounded. However you can't deny the effectiveness of boxing, a sizeable portion of fights in the UFC are dictated by someone's ability to box. The vast majority of KO's come from traditional boxing techniques. It's really effective and the way mcgregor has been able to clown all of his opponents with just amateur boxing experience is evidence of that. We've never even had a truly high level boxer in their prime do MMA.
wasnt even competitive conor's head was a speed bag
because the money is dog shit compared to boxing
Conor has MMA distancing, MMA set ups, grappling ability, and a variety of kicks. He's not winning fights just because of pure boxing ability.
It's too much of a learning curve for in prime boxers because they don't have the slightest grappling background or any ability to deal with any kicks
Impressive. Only took the pro boxing legend 8 rounds to actually achieve that against the novice.
It's common knowledge mate. Why do you think the company collapsed soon after he lost to Petruzelli (who even admitted he was told taking a dive would be worth his while). I don't know how any real MMA fan could think Slice was a legit fighter lmao,
He isnt a legit fighter. Neither is Ray Mercer. Why do you think a non-fighter untrained in fighting lost to another non-fighter that has trained in it is so absurd?
Of course MMA uses boxing but they have boxing adapted to MMA. It's a totally different game when people can kick you on your thighs and your head and also knee you if you duck. They have to change stances and also they have to get used to people faking take downs. Many talented strikers become useless on the feet because of the threat of the takedown. A wrestler takedown a guy once and then he becomes tentative on the feet so the wrestler starting feinting and even connects on the striker. It gives the impression the wrestler is a better striker. We've seen this thousands of times in MMA
boxers don't make the switch because of the money primarily, not because it's 'too hard'. if any of these mma clowns could compete in boxing they would, it beats being a borderline slave jester, it's far more difficult to transition from mma to boxing than vice versa, mma fighters generally have a strong base and are sufficient in the other aspects, having elite boxing skills would help any mma fighter, but why would a boxer learn how to become sufficient in grappling when they can just make more money from 1 fight than the majority of ufc fighters make in their entire career.