Would it actually play out like this?

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Star Destroyers have shields.

Yes. Star Wars has no defense against teleporter technology and Star Trek ships are faster. The only edge Star Wars has in speed is that their Galaxy has mapped out Hyper Space routes, in a fight in the Star Trek galaxy or even a neutral third party galaxy, no such Hyper Space maps would exist and so Star Wars ships would largely just be dead in the water.

Star wars lasers are actually plasma I believe, and star destroyers do in fact have shields.

this is just sad

shields that can't stop a single asteroid meanwhile Star Trek ships can withstand the big bang and being bombarded by entire galaxies shot at the speed of light

>star trek is better because it's more realistic

Mcfucking kys

star trek shields are basically immune against regular projectiles, explosives and nuclear weapons right?

This is massive nerd shit, but absolutely nothing in expanded universe tells us how SW shields work and whether or not a trek teleporter would find an issue with a star wars shield. There were threads thousands of pages deep in the old days of the internet discussing this and all it gave us was more trek vs wars circlejerking. The only winning move is not to play.

Star Trek is better, but not because of realism, obviously

Who says it's more realistic? Star Trek has had people with Jedi powers since the original series. Look up Lieutenant Commander Gary Mitchell.

>jedi powers

More like god powers. Mitchell is small fry to cosmic monstrosities that come after

No.

It would transpire that the Enterprise had picked up some kind of inter-dimensional stow away that decided to take a runny 5th dimensional space shit in the warp core and the crew would spend a few hours desperately running around trying to maintain life support systems all the while Picard hashes out some flimsy truce with the Empire after refusing to surrender in the face of insurmountable odds and then Wesley fucking Crusher would just MacGyver up a physics redefining work around to reinstate full warp and power capabilities and THEN they'd teleport Picard onto the bridge of the Star Destroyer where he'd wax philosophical about the nobility of human endeavour but ultimately teleport back and the two ships would go their separate ways setting up about 20 further encounters in following episodes.

Laser is an acronym, you can't put a Z in it, you Ameritard.

Star Trek treats it okay in that the yield against the shield is important. Deflecting a 10 kW laser and a 10 GW one isn't the same.

>Star Trek ships can withstand the big bang and being bombarded by entire galaxies shot at the speed of light
That's not Star Trek I remember.

it was the Voyager episode where Q brings back the ship to the big bang and they stay there a couple of minute

the shields were failing under the pressure but considering they were even able to last a couple of minutes is impressive or stupid

>voyager
Not canon.

Voy: Death Wish

Star Trek shields can also allow them to travel inside a star's corona (Tng Suspicions and Descent Part 2)

Depends, do we count the ewok movies as canon?

Its fucking sad but this is exactly what would happen.
Except Vader would force choke Picard for talking too much.

voyager isnt canon

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>Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
>Main phasers: 3.6 GW (5.1 MW per emitter, 200 emitters in the main phaser array, 2 full-sized saucer arrays and 3 smaller roughly half-size arrays on the stardrive section, p.123). Note that phasers appear to have a chain-reaction effect so their raw power output may be deceptively low.

Star Trek is so underpowered against SW its painful. A fucking troop transport has a range of 250,000 light years compared to 2750 light

Did anyone actually like these movies?
I did

No because that doesn't fit with Picard's character at all. Whoever made that never saw an episode of TNG.

stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
>In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it.

that's movie Picard, he would totally do that

Kek. This man knows his Trek

Don't most combat ships in star wars have shields? They did in the few games I played.

>stardestroyer.net

lmao, totally unbiased

It's like scuba in that it's just become a word at this point

>biased
why did he mean by this?

>Ships meet
>Enterprise is destroyed by Jack the Ripper after someone disables the safety protocols on the holodeck

>voyager isn't canon

is it not because you don't like it or did one of the movies, series actually make it not canon?

This attitude is why we have Trump and Brexit, mate.

>Empire tries to get to Earth
>no Hyperspace charts
>jumps to Hyperspace anyhow and goes through a super nova wiping out their entire fleet
>reset
>just goes at maximum speed of 975 kilometers per hour
>hope that in several hundred generations their descendants will remember what they were going to Earth for
>meanwhile Federation just blows past entire Imperial fleet in Warp Speed teleporting photon torpedoes onto their bridges, wiping them all out

GG NO RE

>figures from both Trek and Wars canon sources
>biased
You're retarded.

>implying Vader wouldn't force choke Picard over the Interface screen upon first contact.

movie picard would demand that he himself get beamed over and go full First Contact on them

> teleporting photon torpedoes onto their bridges, wiping them all out
They can't do that without taking down Ray and deflector shields dumbass

As a child I did enjoy them.

Or tupperware

>Star Wars canon source

bait, nothing is from canon there

>inviting triggered drumpftins to give you (You)s

>pits them in a scenario where it only benefits Star Wars technology
>"hey guys star wars wins!"

Yes, biased.

Has anyone mentioned that the Empire as a general principle or tactic deploy fighters in battles. I'm not sure it gives them a huge advantage but it would be good for splitting the focus of enemy fire and maybe targeting crucial areas of a Starfleet vessel.

>Empire Strikes back
>star destroyer standing still gets hit by one small asteroid and is damaged

>ROTJ
>Rogue One
>shield generator is destroyed before the shields are down

>Rogue One
>shield generator is destroyed by just a bunch of x-wing shooting

SW shield are a joke, your non-canon legends garbage means nothing.

Have you some pasta you Trek faggots

>star wars
cross the galaxy in a matter of days, to a matter of hours depending on route
>federation
cross the galaxy in 70 years with the fastest vessel

>star wars
swat asteroids out of the sky, blow up entire planets with destructive firepower alone (no technobabble shenanigans like red matter)
>federation
enterprise D spends an entire episode looking for a way to move an asteroid out of its dangerous course

>star wars
construct a 900km death star in a couple years, imperial fleet consists of thousands of star destroyers and hundreds of thousands of smaller vessels
>federation
federation has maybe a couple hundred capital ships until the dominion war demands they be able to manufacture mass quantities for bad CGI battles

>star wars
empire consists of millions of planets covering like half the galaxy
>federation
consists of like 300 member planets

>star wars
civilization has been spacefaring for over a thousand generations
>federation
has been spacefaring for 300 years


it's not even a comparison


also turbolasers are not lasers
>move massively slower than light
>visible outside their direction of travel
>create appreciable recoil when fired, also strike targets with appreciable momentum
>cause damage explosively, not thermally

referring to weapons, turbo'laser' is essentially a slang term like 'lightspeed' isn't actually the speed of light

Except that there were numerous times that they managed to teleport through deflector shields in Star Trek. And that's when deflector shields are specifically set up with fluctuating resonances to specifically stop teleporters. What do you think the difficulty will be with Star Wars ships to bypass when they've literally never heard of or conceived of teleporter technology?

Again, GG NO RE. Star Wars BTFO now and forever.

top kek, star trek ships have targeting systems that actually work

those fighters would be shot down instantly

how about we even the odds?

>i didn't read the thread
Why do you retards keep debating in a Wars/Trek thread when you don't know the difference between Warp and Hyperspace?

>stardestroyer.net

Those stats always read to me like they're the product of a ten-year-old concocting the biggest numbers they can think of just so the ship can be the BIGGEST AND BADDEST AND COOLEST EVER YOU GUYS. They can therefore be disregarded as complete nonsense.

>forgetting ray, thermal and particle shields
You're still retarded.

>Federation
survived the Borg
survived the dominion
survived other invasions

>Empire
>couldn't defeat a bunch of rebels that only had 4 ships on par of a star destroyer

>cant refute hard numbers and facts
>DISCARDED!
How childish can you be?

>900km death star

> hard numbers and facts
> stardestroyer.net

Okaaaay

>all of them are from non-canon legends sources

Ray and Thermal shields are deflector shields, retard. And Particle shields block physical debris. Why are you even debating when you don't know the terms you're using?

>Star Wars takes place more than a millenia after the current year
>Star Trek takes place like 300 years from now

hmmm

could either of them beat the Culture?

No but seriously, what are they going to do about torpedos being beamed onto their bridges or into their reactor cores? We all know Empire reactors are a bit...sensitive.

Star Trek has invisibility tech too. How are they going to fight something they can't see, as warheads start materialising out of thing air inside their ships?

Star Wars fags can't answer this. They can only conceive of a fight in open space with all the Federation ships waiting to be fired upon by the entire Empire. If you introduce actual tactics and technology to the discussion it'll be ignored.

they also ignore how laughable Star Wars shields are while going all autistic about T-THEY ARE NOT LASERS! THEY ARE MORE POWERFUL! let's forget that they can barely hit anything that moves

No one can beat the Culture.

Showing their GSV to scale as if the reason for that is their fuckheug ships is misleading too. They wouldn't win because their ships are bigger, they'd win because their smallest ships have light defence weaponry that creates a singularity where your bridge used to be from a couple of AU away and they can directly control anything that runs on electricity, down to a potato clock, from about 20 lightyears distance.

And then theres Gridfire.

In term of bad writing, sure no one can beat the culture

>bad writing

I see you're lost, young pajeet. This is not the DCEU thread.

Star Wars is utterly technologically stagnant though. All they do is repurpose existing tech into different forms.

The Imperium in 40k advances faster.

Culture books are well written, what are you talking about?

Use of Weapons is a fucking masterpiece.

>lol star wars? star trek? I only read superior culture saga because I am an intellectual!

Comparing Star Trek with Star Wars it's like comparing DCMarvel with Dragon Ball Z

>There was some comic in wich Superman sneezed a galaxy so Goku has no change dude

>Captain Picard nuked an entire dimension in that chapter what would the Empire do haha

We have hear it before, Superman would defeat Goku and Star Treck ships would rekt the Star Wars ones but you know what no one cares cause those are fucking lame and Star Wars and Dragon Ball will rule forever.

at least I'm alive

Cause Star Trek ships never miss small fighters.

>this is the average argument from a Star Wars enthusiast

I think that says it all.

and a dead author is still smarter and whiter than you, pajeet.

The shields can easily withstand asteroids and they do as Han is flying through the field and it just shakes the falcon a little. You're probably thinking about TIE fighters which specifically don't have shield generators.

>Dragon Ball

Fuck off.

I am talking about Star Destroyer.
The scene where they are having their conference with Vader one of them is hit by an asteroid and is damaged

>inb4 they have to lower shields to communicate

LMAO WHAT SHIT SHIELDS

Trek ships have
>20x the range of Star Destroyers
>Perfect accuracy
>Extremely strong phasers that can scour continents of all live and penetrate a planet's crust
>Antimatter weapons
>Impulse engines that move at 1/4 the speed of light
>Warping instantly for maximum tactical advantage, as opposed to punching in coordinates for 5 minutes

It was an asteroid the size of another ship.

That's a big ol' strawman you got there user.

>Perfect accuracy

Kek.

>Star Wars is utterly technologically stagnant though
Only in Legends

and star trek shields can withstand the big bang
we have already been over this

And Voyager isn't canon. We have already been over this.

>Perfect accuracy
Wrong.
>Extremely strong phasers that can scour continents of all live and penetrate a planet's crust
Turbolasers are in the gigaton range
>Antimatter weapons
So does the Empire
>Impulse engines that move at 1/4 the speed of light
So does the Empire
>Warping instantly for maximum tactical advantage, as opposed to punching in coordinates for 5 minutes
Most ships can preform mini hyperspace jumps

Star Trek also has time travel, the empire is fucked no matter what

And the films.
The tech level in Phantom Menace is the same tech level in Force Awakens.

Get enough of these guys and give them a days worth of prep time and they're literally unstoppable

your headcanon doesn't count
only stuff in the movie and official canon material

>This is not the DCEU thread.
But Banks novels are full of boring action filler. It's 19th-tier filling. Consider Phlebas is one long train chase with big green hulk aliens. Use of Weapons is just a Bourne novel. Excession is just Rick & Morty-tier humour.


I really hope you don't think you're a patrician because of the Culture (but you are, we know it. Every Banks lover is). It's sci-fi for post-Stephen King ~19yo slow readers.

Star Trek ships don't have perfect accuracy in the canon.
There are plenty of times when ships miss each other.

Completely incorrect.

Did you notice how the ships got bigger and more powerful over the course of the trilogy films? Did you notice most ships needed hyperspace rings instead of them being installed onboard? Did you notice how hologram technology progressed? Lucas made an effort to show technology change in-universe. Nothing stayed stagnant until Legends straight up had Clone Wars era ships 4,000 years in the past.

>Lucas made an effort to show technology change in-universe

I think you're confusing Technology change and increased budget.

Are you retarded? He personally financed each film.

And after the first movie was a success he had much more money.

only the jedi ship needed a ring for hyper space
Jango's ship, the naboo royal ship etc didn't need one.
and the star destroyers are just like the venator shps

The guy that runs that site is a physicist or something, he used scenes like the SDs shooting asteroids from Empire and worked out the amount of energy it would take to vaporize that much rock, it's pretty legit.