Pilgrims Were Refugees

How come so many Americans act like all refugees are cowards for leaving their countries instead of fighting like real men. Well what about your own ancestors the pilgrims? How are they any more noble that modern asylum seekers?

The pilgrims weren't fleeing from war they were fleeing from the oppression from the ruling class of Europe

But they left England because they were persecuted instead of fighting for their rights like so many other groups did.

They asked the king if they could go...to land claimed by that King.

Are you fucking dumb user?

they were englishmen going over to an overseas version of england

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The difference is that the piligrims were colonizer, they came to an almost empty land, populated by a bunch of tribes of varying aggressiveness. The modern "refugees" come to a land that is already densely populated and has all the development done for them.

and which groups were those? and which were successful? remind me please.

The Northern German Protestants fought and won around the same time.

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Funfact.
Europeans took America by force. Fuck the indians, their opinion wasn't needed for the land to be taken.

This is completely different from todays situation, where the locals have the power to keep the invading force back, but because of liberal politics, decide not to.

Maybe one day the Native Europeans will get reservations like the modern Native Americans. Mohamed might even let you guys run a few casinos.

Doesn't matter if they won or kot, point is, people give shit to all the muslims migrating away from their war torn countries instead of fighting, when America was basically founded on those same grounds, there is hypocricy there. Even if most of pol ignores it.

Yeah I guess that's a point, but it didn't stop the Europeans from wiping the indigenous people off the map practically, how is that any different then what is happening with muslims now? There is a more modern infustructure so now it's not okay, but it was before we put up a bunch of biluildings and roads? I get the point but it still seems like a piss poor excuse.

So you're saying we should invite other civilizations to destroy our own the way our civilization destroyed others just for the sake of intellectual consistency?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

The point is not to wind up like the Indians.

It's completely different.

The casualty rate for early American settlers was obscenely high, especially before Jesuit's Bark was discovered. There was little infrastructure, disease, too many dudes and very few women, savage natives, etc. Everything they got out of their new land they had to earn or make themselves

Mudslimes are fleeing from shitholes to try go somewhere objectively better in every way, where someone will nanny them and give them free housing, healthcare and monies.

Refugees are parasites, early immigrants weren't

They left to start a new society based on their values

Pilgrims faced prosecution from the church of england. Muslims face only their own.
Pilgrims came and got a harsh winter. Muslims came and got welfare

>how is that any different then what is happening with muslims now?
Muslims are coming to lands specifically because it contains europeans that they can leech off of

>pilgrims come over
>fundamentally transform the land
>OP sees no problem with letting it happen to current society

The Pilgrims didn't leave their empire to come here. They merely moved to remote part of it and then settled it. In fact, they first tried to make The Netherlands their home, because of the religious freedom there, but the Dutch are, well, the Dutch, and they decided to try their luck here.

But they were under the protection of the Crown here. They in essence never left their nation. How is that being a refugee?

>hurrdurrf Pilgrims Were da Refugees

No they weren't, you illiterate SJW cuckold.
Pilgrims came to settle on new land and build their own utopia from scratch, with it's own laws and institutions.

Rapefugees come to an already established society and mooch off benefits while also destroying what was already built by the Europeans.

Read a colonial history book or two, ignorant SJW dumbfuck.

Wow, a Mexican intellectual. Thank you.

This.

I watched The Witch the other week so know all about it.

Because they were settlers

But the land was already settled by the indians.

Puritan immigration actually stopped during the Civil War
We had fighting here and some people actually returned to England to take part in it

And we removed them and resettled it
We didnt join their tribes looking for shit tier jobs and welfare