What went wrong?

What went wrong?
Why does DCEU perform so poorly with the critics and audiences?

>Critics
It tried to be more than Thor was so it was viewed under a closer lens
>Audience
It wasnt "fun"

Oh cool another superhero thread

Because their films are shit.

Man of Steel tried to be like Thor?

People fear what they don't understand.

looks like more people watched superman and also expected a terrance malick level of artistry

Clearly everyone is too stupid to understand the mastermind of Hack Snyder.
Everyone.
If you pretend to understand it, you are lying.

>More than
>Like
Are you blind or illiterate?

Marlets really do lack reading comprehension, no wonder Snyder's movies fly over their head

>actually using RT scores as a measure of quality
The way percentages work a movie that most thought was "okay" will beat a movie that divided its audience between loving and hating it
Childhood is thinking the best movies are popular movies, adulthood is knowing the best art generates controversy

>trying to make capeshit into a thinkpiece
marvel does it right because they market their movies to and for the retarded manbabies that watch them

>>actually using RT scores as a measure of quality
This. Use a site like picture related with people that actually have high cineIQ

DC is more adult. Better writing, better directing, actual substance to the films....as such it does poorly because the very nature of comic book films, the greater audience and critics are childish manchildren who want quip jumpcut movies with incoherent explosions and one-dimensional characters.

Snyder doesn't understand the characters, and WB let an advertising agency get the final editing cut on Suicide Squad.

WB is fucking up the DC movie universe, and someone needs to tell them to shut up, and just let the people controlling the DC animation shit take over.

It's weird. In both comics and animated movies, DC is stomping Marvel, but it's the complete opposite in terms of movies.

WB needs to get better at buying critics. Their marketing department is a fucking joke compared to Disney.

> Both movies rated a 6.2 out of 10
> Thor is fresh
> Man of Steel is rotten


OP means for this to prove that rotten tomatoes system is retarded.

Marvel and DC are two nerds.

Marvel is the nerd who's really loves comics and will happily talk about them with anyone in a friendly and excited manner.

DC is the sullen nerd who wants comics to be HIS thing. He insists that comics (and by extension himself) are above it all. He rolls his eyes and sighs when people ask him about comics.

Because Marvel tapped into something on the collective western psyche with its combination of quips, nostalgia, and formulaic plots. Not EVERY movie must be like marvel and MUST have quips or it will be crucified

>it is now a crime to have fun
How low have we fallen.

DC are racist movies for the alt-right

Nobody should encourage them

And yet both get beat up by the Chads.

>L'homme d'acier
Q-québec?

wtf i love dc movies now

Humm..?

>Johns a Chad
Tip kok

>What went wrong?

You didn't trickle down your mother's thigh like the waste of biomass that you are.

This.

Preconceived notions. Superman and Batman each matter more than the entirety of Marvel. Because of that, straying from a certain image of the character is gonna get much more harshly criticized.

Superman and Batman SHOULD be a slam dunk on easy mode. The fact that WB/Snyder fucked it up so badly speaks volumes.

The Avengers were NOT Marvel's top tier characters. Those are owned by Fox and Sony for movies.

Everyone knows who Batman and Superman are, well before the current movies.

fucking this.

>Superman and Batman SHOULD be a slam dunk on easy mode.

You're right. What Snyder's team wasn't easy mode, and I salute them for having the balls to go for it.

I'm not sure saluting people for not understanding the characters makes much sense

They understand them. You don't. You think you do, but you really, really don't.

Resist the urge to spam out some personal pasta of what you consider flaws and just focus on one at a time, and I'll show you. That's called a Gish Gallop, and it's a shit debating tactic.

Oh jesus, you're one of *those* people

Believe whatever you want, user

Hey, you're the one stating your opinions as facts, not me. By doing so, you've already revealed you really don't know what you're talking about.

>one of those people
Yeah. Sometimes they call us "fans."

>autism speaks
this is what we get for not banning capeshit from Sup Forums

Do LotR threads and Dune threads piss you off, too?

A studio and director that have apparently never opened up a DC comic in their life.

>best art generates controversy
If so, then MoS and BvS truly are masterpieces.

What did you think of "The Dark Knight Returns?"

It's worse than that. WB/DC is the wannabe that pretends he knows X popular comic, but has never actually read them in his life.

Legit Norse God > Baldlet of Murder

You don't know shit.

Maybe after this all crashes, we can get some actual fans of the source material to head up a proper DC movie universe. Just to have to weather this out.

>Thor
>Legit Norse God

>ITT chickenshits who pretend they know the material but won't even discuss it when they're called on their bullshit

Not him, but Tolkienfags and Dunefags are not as obnoxious as capecucks.

>itt everyone triggers the one autist who honestly believes he is THE ONE who truly understands the source of his fandom

Nor would cape threads be as shit as they are without fanboys and what might legitimately be shills.

It's okay for a comic movie to be serious, but it has to at least respect the characters it's based off of. The current DC movies seem to be made by people who hate the actual characters they're using, and have to make them more to their personal liking.

Did you like "The Dark Knight Returns?"

Snyder is a dudebro who thinks if characters aren't murdering asskickers, they're pussies not worth talking about.

WB needs to dump that hack like it was yesterday. Get the DC animation guys involved, they know what DC comics is actually about.

Or can we all just agree you're only interested in samefag replying to yourself?

Doesn't matter what director they get if the studio is constantly going to tamper with the movie. Suicide squad ended up being edited by the advertising people. They obviously don't give a shit about the story or characters, it's just a product for them.

As long as this is under WB, this will just go the way of F4ntastic Four.

Fucking coward.

The animated movies turned out alright under WB. They just need to dump the people running the movie side of things.

>autism speak 2:electric boogaloo
holy shit

I'd rather be an autism than a chickenshit. I'm neither, fortunately, so have fun sucking your own dick.

Apparently triggering the autist is incredibly easy, he can't help but rage when his great wisdom is ignored

dc makes garbage movies

They're having Batman/Superman movies made by people who don't like Batman or Superman.

>Not having a pointless argument with an autist means people are scared
okay

Theres no NOT MUH for Thor i.e. no preformed opinions

NOT MUH
NOT MUH
NOT MUH
NOT MUH

DC characters are fucking boring and uninspired with the exception of a few. Marvel just has more whimsical and fun characters with interesting backgrounds. DC just takes everything too seriously and its a fucking drag. Where's the humorous banter? They are superheroes! They should be having fun at what they are doing. People say the humor in Marvel movies is stupid but it's essential for people to remember this is a fantastical superhero film that's supposed to be more akin to a roller coaster ride. Making superhero flicks into "high art seriousness" just makes it all too real for people to expect in a superhero film.

>B-b-but muh grim dark realism

Shut up, it only works for Batman. Superman doesn't have that tone.

Critics and audience members alike just really hate people named Martha, and both Batman and Superman have mothers named Martha (which makes them best friends)

DC characters are perfectly fine, as long as they're being handled by people who actually fucking understand the characters. Snyder and co obviously fucking don't.

It's real easy to have a discussion when you're talking to yourself. Fans of the movie will actually discuss it. Fucks like you can't even rise to that level of discourse.

Anyone who claims this creative team doesn't understand the characters has either never read "The Dark Knight Returns" or is too stupid to see how the movie tweaked and reversed the roles. They perceptively identified that the Batman had supplanted Superman's customary role in the public consciousness and that portraying him in *exactly* the same light as Superman's character in TDKR would trigger fans and casuals alike and invite precisely this sort of debate.

The sort of debate chickenshits don't engage in. So. Bye.

>Films
>Supposed to be fun

>Have Batman and Superman
>two of the biggest American heroes of all time
>gross less domestically than a rated R Deadpool movie

How hasn't Snyder been fired? Nolan alone made Batman into a one billion dollar movie franchise and this idiot is blowing it all.

Nobody gives a shit about fans of the movie, people give a shit about fans of the comics. These movies are not being handled by people who care about these characters, and it shows.

Everyone who thinks you're being one of *those* people is not the same person, you twat.

Because very large profits are still very large profits.

>Marvel uses literally whos
>grosses more domestically than Batman and fucking Superman

Snyder should be lynched if Justice League makes less than Guardians 2.

But it's Batman. And Superman. Two of the biggest names ever in terms comic books, known to pretty much everyone who is not into comics.

And DC/WB/Snyder fucked it up so bad that a "literally who" to people who don't read comics outdid them.

You know who didn't give a shit about these characters? The guys responsible for "The Death of Superman" arc. Well, that might be a little too harsh, as what they were ultimately trying to do was save his title during a rough time, but the fact remains that it was a largely empty story that gets too much love from fanboys.

If you'd take off the nostalgia goggles, you'd realize that.

In contrast, they managed to take his pointless death arc from the comics and imbue it with narrative importance it's never had.

>Critics
Anything Disney is well received from critics regardless of quality.
>Audiences
Audiences love these movies.

>thinking BvS is actually comparable to Dark Knight Returns
Zack? Is that you?

>Anything Disney is well received from critics regardless of quality.

Not remotely true.

Nobody gave a shit about Superman dying in the movie, since there was no emotional weight bulit up for it, but it's pointless to argue with an autist superfan

the thor movies were so fucking bad

man of steel was legit though

Iron Fist was critically panned for the most part

The Beauty and the Beast remake was well received that alone proves they're shills.
Iron Fist doesn't have the Disney backing.

I managed to enjoy Man of Steel, but I can't help but feel it would've been better if handled by someone other than Snyder.

They got the "gods on earth fighting" feel down, which none of the previous Superman movies could do, but they fucked up Pa and Clark Kent's/Superman's characters so damned badly.

Stop overselling your point. I cared. Just because your autistic ass didn't doesn't mean you speak for everybody.

>The Beauty and the Beast remake was well received that alone proves they're shills.
No, critics always fucking love musicals for whatever damned reason. Doesn't really matter who's making it, as long as there's a decent enough budget.

Again. WB doesn't care about any of that. They care about their overall profits to please their shareholders. Currently the DC division is turning healthy profits in a period where blockbusters are increasingly risky. They are thankful for success, not upset the success isn't bigger.

>doesn't mean you speak for everybody.
Not everybody, just the vast majority of critics and general audiences, as you're already aware of. A few autistic superfans notwithstanding

>WB doesn't care about any of that.
That must be why they let an ad agency edit their most recent DC movie.

The "vast majority" of the audience liked it by a two-thirds margin. Critics are too far up their own asses to see what's right in front of them.

Sort of like some people around here.

"Doesn't care" was a poor choice of words.

"Not upset like you are" is a better choice. Again. Shareholders are much more concerned about stable profits than anything else. Sure they'd prefer them to be larger--but so would Disney. They're still large in an absolute sense. Shareholders aren't upset with WB and therefore WB is not upset with Zach Snyder.

>not upset the success isn't bigger

Mmm hmmm

Wow, they were right. You really are one of *those* people.

Disengaging from this nonsense, you just keep doing you, buddy

>What went wrong?
Disney is letting comic people run the movies.
WB hates the comic people, and has people who don't understand the comics they're based on run the movies.

Look up Mark Hamill talking about the disconnect between the DC comic folk and the DC film/TV folk and how they don't talk to each other.

wasn't black enough

The problem with Batman vs. Superman is that much of the plot doesn't pass the "so what" test. Like Lois's investigation of Lex's mercenaries and their special Lex-branded bullets. An absurd scheme to frame Superman for wrecking an African village which leads to Superman being summoned to court. But so what? The courtroom is blown up before Superman says a word and the entire subplot is never mentioned again. Lex tries to prejudice Batman and Superman against one another by stealing disability checks and sharing articles about Batman branding criminals. So what? The fight is eventually staged by simply kidnapping Superman's mom, rendering Lex's preceding machinations completely pointless. Abysmal storytelling and an unforgiveable waste of time in a movie that despite a bloated 3+ hours length, can't even spare a few minutes to give Superman more than 42 lines or squeeze in scenes for Wonder Woman to talk to anyone other than Bruce Wayne.

In contrast, Marvel's Civil War is a masterpiece of efficient storytelling. Batman vs Superman struggles to effectively tell a story about a couple of superheroes, one villain and a love interest. Civil War manages to credibly weave over a dozen heroes into a tightly-focused story, two of whom are main characters, half of which are properly developed and characterised and all of whom, even the "guest stars", get something cool to say or do. Even Falcon gets more dialogue in Civil War than Superman does in his own movie! "Quip"-filled though it may be, the conversations in Civil War flow like real banter between real people, and do a good job of conveying the personalities of the characters. Zack Snyder seems to believe a few pompous pronouncements and Biblical motifs are enough to secure the audiences empathy with his heroes. But they aren't. Hence Batman vs Superman's 27% RT score, Razzie award, and failure to reach $1bn despite starring the two biggest names in the comic book industry.

Rotten Tomatoes is a likability meter and Thor is more likable than Man of Steel.

So what?

>Put in more amount of money to improve returns
This isnt being "upset", it's making a fiscal decision.

Again, your perception of weeping WB execs pulling their hair out at only making a few hundred million dollars when they could be making several hundred million is false.

The action they take rationally has to
A.)increase profits
This part you understand
B.) Not risk profits already coming in
This part you seem to be seriously struggling with. It is always more rational to bet on the sure thing. A bird in the hand is worth two in the book.

They'll make small changes and try new things, but they're not going to risk failure by causing a massive change in direction.

>failure to reach $1bn despite starring the two biggest names in the comic book industry.

Snyder is a piece of shit, ruining Batman and Superman.

You're a piece of shit that thinks he knows these characters.

You don't.