Was democracy designed for a populace that had a much higher baseline quality/intellect than our current one?

Was democracy designed for a populace that had a much higher baseline quality/intellect than our current one?

Of course. Lust take my country. Merkel basically imports her Future Voterbase. Give them a couple of bucks and let them Ravage our Cities and you have their Vote.

It seems like mob rule when the ignorant and uncivilized outnumber the sensible.

provably so:

over time our intellect increases - conditions A
we create democracy, a less stressful condition B
our intellect, in condition B, is less stressed.

It is only by perseverance and meritocracy and competition can we keep our IQ improving genes enabled and keep moving forward.

If we go marxist, WE LITERALLY FUCKING DIE

Yes, absolutely. why do you think everything has gone to shit? People allowed all these things to happen.

No. It was designed so that everyone had a chance to have an impact upon their own lives. Intellect wasn't taken into the equation, which is why it has failed

That might be the case for other nations, but in America, the founding fathers intended that men of great intellect and prestige be governors, but we can all agree that that isn't the case today, is it?

I think the founders underestimated how far our populace would fall.

Buckle the fuck up, buddy, it can only go down from here in terms of the general populace's intellect.

Democracy was a mistake. Not even kidding

thing happend here because things didn't happen somewhere else? Things will always happen. You cant prevent this.

In short, yes. But it's still a fundamentally degenerative form of government that devours itself 100% of the time.

No. Democracy is a sham that only Plebs would fall for.

>Lust take my country

It will. Ficki Ficki!

You know back in the day when democracy was invented the greeks that voted had to be from a family with lineage and had to be 30+ years old to do so...
Yeah 18 yo kids have no idea about politics these days

Who said we could? We're only human. We can and will make mistakes. Until we rise above our instincts, there is no end to this.

No, democracy was designed to to manipulate public opinion through propaganda. It's no different than an oligarchy other than the fact that people believe they make their own political decisions.

Democracy works when the entire population is able to think reasonably, otherwise its useless.

So it'll always be useless? It's impossible for every voter to be knowledgeable enough about every subject to make an informed decision on it.

The potatonigger is right. The US Senate used to be an unelected body appointed by the legislatures of each state. This was specifically to counter the sometimes poor judgement of the population at large. This was only changed by the 17th amendment. The electoral college system is another example.

The progressive era of the early 1900s actually saw populism go as far as to attempt to circumvent the legislative process altogether altogether, with many states developing the ballot initiative and referendum process.

The framers absolutely intended that suffrage be intended for property holding, white males of good moral character and community standing. When everybody else thought their opinion mattered equally much is when we began our slow decline into a PC circus.

Protections against the tyranny of mass, unwashed opinion have always been an underrated part of the Constitution and one buttmad libs and revisionists will ignore.

Now only if we could get some democratic capitalism going, know what it is that I am saying?

Like financial decisions should be voted on by the people who are affected... which is like everyone. omfg globalism!?

Nah, lets leave stop feeding the corrupt system with our free opinions and start demanding payment for our selfies.

to clarify:

Money would work better as public domain then private property.

So...socialism? A failed ideology?

Yes, in it's original form it was restricted to male landowners in Athens.
>protip: the US is a constitutional republic

Would a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?

You can call it whatever you want, but I want to call it the, "Super Mega Awesome Window of Opportunity for Everyone" system.

Your point being?

The technology wasn't and still isn't there to flawlessly perform a perfect socialist civilization and everyone's too afraid to build it because money is so deeply rooted into society.

I can see it with my own two eyeballs. It all boils down to simple interfaces with buttons that do things. Some of the things would be distribution of wealth and other things would be exchange of information.

You click a like button, you get a penny. You write a comment you get a dime. You reply to an existing comment and you get a quarter.

I know a wrote some shit, but still not an argument go fuck yourself. lol!

alright, so who would you propose build and control this system? remember this whole discussion centers around the fact that people are imperfect. all economic systems are by nature imperfect because they're dreamed up by human minds.

There is a theory that suggests only a nation with a high enough IQ can support an altruistic system like democracy. Altruism and intelligence are linked.

I was going to, it was going to be called the "Barter Escrow Exchange" code name BEE, GET YOUR BEE SUITS.

Essentially it is exactly what the name implies. It enables people to exchange goods and services without money but you could do that without this app anyway. That's the point.

Want "free" rent? Offer home improvement services to the landlord.

Want "free" groceries? Offer to stock the shelves a few times a week.

Want "free" insurance? Oh wait wtf do we have insurance for anyway...

Get it out of your head that you NEED money. You don't. It's just easier to think and live that way because that's how its always been.

I mean sure, if you really are an untrustworthy asshole scumbag maybe you need an escrow to exchange your "services".

The idea is to get what you need without relying on Governments and Corporations. I would be either if I were to actually build this app and I'm trying not to be.

Also Fuck Bitcoin.

What it sounds like you're proposing is a system of bartering services for goods. That system is long gone, money made it easier, it's not that we need it, rather it makes things a hell of a lot easier. The more you do for society, the services you offer and products, the more money you can potentially make and therefore buy more resources for oneself.

>fuck bitcoin
don't see the issue on bitcoin myself, it's a nice little idea for an internet world like our own.

Any country build on democracy will sooner or later will be devoluted to socialist hellhole, where succesful and talented minority is being denied expressing their political opinion by the crowd
Hitler for example thought that democracy is at all just a building stage for jewish marxism.

it didn't takle into account all the brainwashing that was posisble.

Majority of people are so brainwashed their nothing but character actors for the CIA

>inb4 they're*

Bartering is still around, just less frequent.

Money is just a middle man posing as a God.

Time is a much more valuable resource because its non-renewable.

Let's not confuse the two.

Sometimes a military dictatorship doesn't seem so bad to me. Protection from leftist subversion and a government who sets priorities right, e.g. food, weaponery, ability to protect itself and critical infrastructure, reproduction rate, no criminals, no unemployment.... instead of well you know... transgender toilets

Money is no god, it's simply a physical way of measuring buying power. The more of it you have, the better.