/lang/ - Language Learning General

>Share language learning experiences!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Find people to train your language with!

>Learning resources
Check """pastebin.com/ACEmVqua"""; for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides.
/lang/ is currently short on those image guides, so if you can pitch in to help create one for a given language, don't hesitate to do so!

Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages:
Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages:
drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#

Last few threads have been pretty good, lets keep it up gang

Other urls found in this thread:

tineye.com/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

This was posted last thread as a kind of template to base all language studies off of. Until someone makes a proper neutral edit just replace all the Japanese stuff with your target language.
The pastebin also has a bunch of individual guides for some languages so check those out.

Gonna bump for the OP

Use tineye.com/ to get better quality versions of pics.
Yeah I posted that, I'd do it but I suck at making shit like that, so I was hoping that a more skilled user would step up to the plate for the betterment of this general.

I'd be down for trying it but I'm only really studying one language. I think we'd need a polyglot to step up and make something that can be applied broadly.

I have a bachelor's degree in linguistics and could contribute for what info to include, but I would still need to bounce ideas off of a few other anons who know a fair amount on the subject just to be sure that I'm not talking out my ass.

Those would be good for encompassing the broad stages of language learning, but it would be good to do like the ''learning order'' section of and show the different orders in which a learner can go through those steps, and the pros and cons for each of those ''routes'' (keeping in mind that it should apply to any languages as much as possible). On top of that, just mentioning general essential resources like Anki, which can be used for any language.

Pic related for another possible template we could include.

For future reference to understand my post, had written up these categories, which weren't bad.
>>writing system and pronunciation
>>grammar/vocabulary
>>listen/speaking/writing/reading

Sorry, I deleted it because reading it again made me realize how retarded it was. Posting the graph again though.

Bump

>son of a gun
>good grief
what do they mean?

>son of a gun
From what I understand it is an euphemism for 'son of a bitch' but I may be wrong
>good grief
I'll say it in Spanish. No sé que frase usa en España, pero para dar un ejemplo digamos que estás a media hora de salir de tu trabajo y tu jefe viene y te dice que debes quedarte unas horas más ahí es cuando dirías "Good grief" u otra frase que he escuchado para reemplazarla es "Give me a break". Básicamente es como un suspiro puesto en palabras, pero puedo ser considerado como un acto grosero.

>son of a gun
From what I understand it is an euphemism for 'son of a bitch' but I may be wrong

Basically. It's sort of a SFW way of saying son of a bitch

>it says here that you're fluent in 4 languages but I didn't see any official certificates

what are the categorys ? can we see a list

oh that reminds me, I should look into German proficiency tests

...

PSA: even though it's a drag, don't give up on Anki.

I just went through my cards for the first time in like 3 weeks, I forgot how effective it can be.

>german

I feel i'm making leaps forward. It seems simpler now. I just need vocabulary, which is easy to acquire since if you look up a word in a german dic, you will find many definitions, but germans use a different word in real spoken deutsch

Oh shite, I meant
>isn't easy

Opposite for me, I think I am going backwards. I don't think I know anything anymore and I need to start from the very beginning. It's beyond annoying to think all the time whether things are gramatically correct.
JUST

What does become us polyglots?
How many languages are required?
Level needee?

I'm pretty much in the same place. Grammer ain't too bad once you start to get a handle on cases and declinations, vocab just sucks to build up.

you're the same macedonanon that was asking about werden in the last thread right? how long have you been studying?

Yes.

>how long have you been studying?
That's kinda difficult to answer because I haven't been studying in a continuous block of time.
I have "studied" it in school but I don't count that at all because I never learned anything there nor I used it after and completely forgot what little I even knew.
Since I picked up studying it this year, well I'd estimate something like 5-6 months all in all.
When I took the test I was 1 point shy of B2 but fuck me if this is that because I feel like knowing nothing at all.

Tame expressions of dismay

bump

See Learning the writing system and pronunciation should come first. Once that's down, vocabulary and grammar should get primarily be the focus. At the same time, exposure to the language via reading/writing/speaking/listening. Once a firm grasp of the grammar and vocabulary is established, more time can be spent on exposure and practice.

Do any of you think it is possible to be fluent in a foreign language without moving to a country where the language is widely spoken? I've been struggling my ass off with English for over 3 years but I still can't make myself understood in English nor can I understand this language with ease... Is it because I've been learning it without speaking it much in my daily life? Or is it due to a lack of practice?

Lack of practice of course, doesn't matter with whom, just speak and write it. Watch english documentaries, games, etc to know how it's spoken.
I recommend playing RTS games with quality English recordings; starcraft is garbage for this but Company of Heroes is excellent because they repeat the same words over and over, but have much bigger vocabulary than most games.
I barely spoke english at childhood but I easily speak it properly and understand spoken words because I have lots of properly pronounced, grammatically correct input.

ffs why German has so many verbs? not even Spanish has that many (and we have a lot)

sounds like we're on the same page (minus german in school, I never had that). I started in studying in July on and off, then studied consistently from August. I got probably 2 points away from B2 on that test, but I honeslty feel like that's giving me too much credit. I get the jist of most grammar, but to use it is a little different somtimes. And my vocabulary is absolute shit so I honestly dont think I could be B1. Maybe high A2 at best.

Anywhore, what I wanna say is that language learning takes time, and there's no reason to rush yourself to be at a certain level. If anything I feel like that could be detrimental to your understanding of the language. Just let things take their time to click. For example, the best way to learn words is to have to use them, so chat up some qt on hellotalk (or even in /deutsch/ and just let the anonymity of Sup Forums protect you from embarrassment)

hu Tóaqpōq, mả tỉ súq ní moq?

I've never noticed it having more verbs than other languages. Does it actually?

Yep, rather the same situation. And I agree it takes quite some time and it is better to go the slow but steady way. Thing is, I'm in no position to 'afford' that now.

Maybe.

oh, you're talking about tenses. German has a lot, but there's not that much different inflections, compared to Italian or Icelandic, for example. the whole right column in your image is the same, as well as the future tenses, which are just werden + infinitive

I am not but I assume he is talking about that.

what do you mean by inflections? like -are/-ere/-ire verbs?

no, I mean
>1. (grammar) A change in the form of a word that reflects a change in grammatical function.
the groups of words that get inflected in a certain way that you mean are confusingly called inflections as well

Ah, i've always just collectively referred to those as conjugations, i should check myself.

Delete these images, immediately!!! I strongly resent the implication that Finno-Ugric languages are related to smelly Indo-Euroshitters.

Especially the way it's presented on this image, as if the Finno-Ugric language family is nothing more than a small offshoot of a larger Indo-European language group. It is very much independent and equal to it in every way.
And for the record, there are way more languages in it than represented there.

This is fucking offensive, and I will not stand for it!

>The Virgin Finno-Urgic
>The Chad Indo-European

You aren't even European.

I'd say 4 languages. It goes monolingual, bilingual (simultaneous or not), multilingual, polyglot. This is my opinion though.

Your order is pretty good for slow learning with a good foundation, and we should also order them differently for people who want to learn to communicate quickly and go through the rest only after attaining conversation level.

Wouldn't multilingual and polygot be synonymous?

Mono-, Bi-, Trilingual

then polygot or multilingual

99% european according to DNA test

though I am a typical amerimutt

Are we gonna make the /deutsch/ group in telegram?

it's possible, but it's also pretty contrary to the way people generally learn. Like doing daily language stuff likein a lot of different ways, movies, reading, writing, etc. you could achieve something close to what you could probably manage in a solid month abroad speaking only English

I think people get a bit masochistic and haughty about autodidactic language learning. Maybe you should just seriously look into spending time in an English-speaking country or looking for an English-speaking roommate or something

Trilingual isn't a word though, so I used multilingual instead, followed by polyglot.

I already created one. Give me your usernames so I can add you. .

>Trilingual isn't a word though

Why not? It's just as much a word as bilingual

how the fuck do you use telegram?

>have a cellphone
>go to playstore
>download
>Make phone number secret
>choose an username

Isn't discord easier? Not only that there's already one, but there'll probably be more fags in there too since it's so pervasive, and you can lurk using the desktop.

>all that shit just to chat

what happened to Irc god damn

Still has to be made formal by being integrated into mainstream dictionaries in order to be a word.

They're training younger generations to only use the internet through apps, in order to control the output of information like they used to do with TV. When I was younger, I thought they would never be able to control the internet, but these young faggots are proving me wrong by drinking the kool aid and using fucking apps for everything, and so are the baby boomers. It's like everyone wishes they were plugged into the Matrix.

I don't think too many people are studying German in there. Mostly Russian it seems.

here leaf

Studying sucks, when will the suffering end?

I hadn't even thought of including this, but it's certainly a good idea since a lot of people are on here asking which language would be best to learn for them, and this could help them with their decision.

are you high?

Technically IRC is an "app" but I know what you're getting at. Needing a phone number is just too much for my taste

That's only one source though, and Merriam-Webster is a meme.

Tỉ bũ jảq da. Kìu hi rái bi shỏ pủ dáq nũ sủai moq? ;-;

>The virgin prescriptive grammar vs. the chad descriptive grammar

If we only listened to ''chad'' descriptive linguists, dictionaries would be full of Ebonics. I don't think you're thinking this through.

3 or more is a polyglot, trilingual is an anglo abomination.

ποτέ

that's not how words work.

That's how words work for this user.

By this i mean that.

Would it be easier to learn Italian through Spanish than through English?

(´;ω;`)ｳｯ…

If your Spanish is as good as your English, yes.

Not just to chat, but to learn. Tha's both my proposal ad purpose. I'm not gonna deny that we'll shitpost.
There is already a chat, but it is mostly shitposting just like Sup Forums

You obviously don't know how a language works. If a word is used, it exists. It is not necesary for it to be in a dic in order to be regconised as a word. Plus trilingual IS a WORD, at least so is in spanish, idk in other languages

How do you learn a language if you detest the sound of it? Literally nothing about Russian language is attractive to me. But i have to learn because i study Russian Language and Literature in the university. There is no other way. I dont even know what level i am. Maybe slighty higher than elemantary. Can i achieve this? Or should i just drop uni and kms?

>12 years
Honestly why don't you guys just wait until google translate or something creates accurate voice translators? Like jesus christ I knew it could take a while but over a fucking decade?!
I get there are loads of benefits but its hard to even muster motivation when English is the lingua franca of the world pretty much, especially since some people just learn multiple languages from being a kid.
Ugh.

>son of a gun
I don't know about other countries, but this is now kinda used as a good thing.
You normally call someone a son of a gun if they did something really good
>good grief
This is normally something you say when something bad happens that you are surprised about.
Creo que en España se usa "¡santo cielo!" en una manera similar

>hate language
>study it in university
is this the legendary turkroach intelligence at work?

>words only exist by virtue of codification
This is your brain on Canadian education
Tbh for most of the dedicated /lang/autists here, that's not really an issue. We enjoy language learning as a hobby and kinda like a journey that you dedicate yourself to.

I liked at first and i enjoy reading their literature. But i did not expect from my self to have such a contempt for their language. Now i am at the second year.

>We enjoy language learning as a hobby and kinda like a journey that you dedicate yourself to.
This.
Also it's cool to read literature in its original language. And travelling

I finally am halfway through the A1 Norwegian course!

>chad indoniggers
They are the epitomy of cuckery

You must be pretty invested into learning if you genuinely hate it. The hatred could be a sign that you're doing the best you can.

I never hated English though.

what app is this?

Memrise

Putin is a manlet I see

well the word is from greek afaik, poly means multiple/plural, and glot means tongue. Multiple-tongues essentially. So I guess if you speak 2 languages you are technically a polyglot.

انا مِن أصل أمريكا، وأكن ادرس اللغة العربية.

M8 don't drop out of Uni. Isn't it a fucking pain in the ass to get back into one in Turkey?
What about Russian is bothering you?

The way the language sounds and the unattractiveness of the cyrillic alphabet. It reminds me of commieblocks and general melancholic nature of slavlands. I just cant get into it.

So I have kind of figured out what I want in a language.
>Socialise: Friends are what I really value in life so the oppurtunity to make them is important.
>Citys: I love good cities with big urban architecture like what you see in Japan.
>Difficulty: With what I'm looking for I know that its a tall order so I'm willing to bend but still the easier the better.
I tried to whittle them down as much as I can, I listed in order of importance and by far the 1st is highest, I know that might just correlate to most speakers but its more how accessible they are you know, like there no point learning Hindi since its mostly in their own country but China for example has tons of foreign students.
If any of you have any suggestions (about anything) I'd love to hear them, I know its a bit scummy posting these walls of texts on here but most of you guys seem to know what your on about and I'd appreciate the advice.

Try focusing on Imperial Russian culture then. Russian is easily the best language for literature outside of English. Yes, soviet life was drab and remembering it is depressing, but I like to think of the culture it suppressed and attempted to mitigate.

Look for poems or songs in the language then. I felt like you did for awhile but I rather enjoyed poems by Pushkin.

Aesthetics of a language is one of the least important things desu, your perspective will change really hard the more you learn and the more "natural" it becomes. You have the opposite problem I've seen a lot of people have, usually people think a language looks/sound beautiful and then they're sad when they become proficient enough that the translation element is gone. It stops being something aesthetic and just turns into well, comprehensible language, they're not hearing the words themselves anymore they're hearing the meaning of them.

Do you plan on remaining in the UK? Or would you like to move overseas somewhere?
I have been to Japan and I study the language, and I can confirm the cities are quite comfy. However in terms of opportunities to make friends, I don't think it's the best place to go. They don't quite like foreigners.
I hear Europeans cities are also quite comfy, but perhaps not in the same metropolis style as something like Osaka or Tokyo. Perhaps a European language would be something you can peruse.

Also, failing that talk to other Russian learners and try to understand why they like it.

Yeah man, life was so much better under the Tsar, when women had 0 rights, when people living in rural areas had 0 access to healthcare, and when and only 17% of the population could read. Those were the days. FUCK the commies for ruining all the fun. I'll never forgive Stalin for taking away grandma's slaves