Americans always complain about racism

>americans always complain about racism
>their education systems leads them to think everything is racism
>it also leads people to reacting to this and becoming actual racists
Why is the American education system so broken? They could, I dunno, just not spend retarded amounts of time talking about "race" and then they wouldn't have a problem. Clearly their system is broken in other ways, as even Americans in the states with the "best" education barely compete with other developed nations.

why are you posting this shit?

>hurr durr stop talking about it and it will go away

Fucking hate retards who think like this

What "American education system" are you talking about? Each state controls their own curriculum.

>Each state controls their own curriculum
this would constitute system

He's right though, if you stop thinking all the time with the lens of racism I assure you your life will get better

>american education

Wouldn't have a racial lens if the USA was 90% white

you're supposed to post amerimutt when you get btfo

which is why I didn't ;^)

ignoring it won't solve the problem, but you are correct that the constant bickering of what is and what isn't racism (and who can and can't be racist) only divides us overall

the huge gap between monetary income per year between blacks and whites implies that blacks tend to be poorer overall than whites. blacks also tend to live closer to the inner cities, surrounded by members of their own race. because of this division, any hopes of restoring race relations are abysmal unless we do something to fix the major cultural divide between blacks and whites. they're taught from their parents, media, and pretty much everything they consume that whites are at fault for something. some of this can be fixed, but the cultural divide is the primary cause, since not all blacks are obsessed with race; those that aren't tend to have grown up near whiter areas or were raised in a white american culture.

there are many different options that you could take to fix this divide, but all of them are costly and will take generations to complete. as some have suggested, deporting/killing them all *would* solve the cultural divide and fix race relations (as there are no other major culture divides and other races), but it's a tad unethical to displace millions of americans (and what counts as black as well? halfs? quads?); displacing or large scale gentrification; or a mix of the two, setting up autonomous states for blacks (segregation, probably wouldn't be seen as a good idea since the last time). either way, these are the options that have not worked and will not work: attempting for 1st black [whatever] as much as possible, forcing diversity in the workplace, money reparations, or really anything that heats up tensions worse. problem is, the media isn't exactly unified on this, so they will continue to rely on shock articles talking about what whites have done wrong each week, since it sells.

sorry for the wall of text

if they stopped talking about it, democrats would finish destroying their demographics in secret
now germany avoids talking it at all costs, and it will backfire. enjoy your africans, hansfag

only bumping this because i did not write that huge wall of text for this thread to die

the media cannot be unified and if we have to resort to direct information propaganda then the racial divide is not meant to breached anyway

sorry but you got to rethink your premise

If you are actually German I think you'd be a little more astute regarding national fixation on race and guilt.

>>hurr durr stop talking about it and it will go away
this, but unironically.

The period when colourblindness was in fashion was the best. Now everyone's woke/redpilled af and it's a fucking disaster.

that is true, it's a lose-lose. either the government milks the racial divide as much as possible for as long as possible while the journalists profit off of their division at the average americans expense, or the government exploits public funded media for propaganda purposes, at the average americans expense.

it seems like an unfixable problem: either the media profits at everyone else's expense or the government exploits the people. giving the workers control of the media in a socialist manner wouldn't solve any problems either, they'd be motivated by the same thing as the current media
and whatever fixes you can find though law reforms could just be inched further and further towards government control over the media

not quite sure what to make of this

this basically

there is nothing to make of it because racial ideology is not the bottom layer of the american psyche

consumerism is, everyone is tied to meaningless materialism more so than race
technically modern racism has to do with access to goods and services rather than some inherent racial hierarchy

the market will fix it

in what way would it fix it? the media would still profit off of the racial divide and therefore would keep going with it
while racial ideology isn't the bottom layer, cultural identity is close, and the media is yet another factor keeping their identity focused on race division

why do you say that modern racism has to do with access to goods and services? i fail to see the connection (other than the fact that blacks tend to be poorer than whites).

so how does a colored (not just black, latino and some asians too) man fights poverty ideologically? by buying expensive shoes/shirts, but not just any euro brand, but some style worn only by the poorer colored folk

the media does not have some agenda, they only publish news for lots of people and fast money, things that catches the eye and racism always comes to top because that's what people want to read about, it's all very unconscious

materialism actually is the reaction to the polarization of race dialectic, the brands and styles worn by those people as a mark of identity is always subsumed by the population, another such subsumation is music, the market changes colored people music into something palatable for everyone

this commercialization of identity stuff is what keeps the society from developing into something truly troublesome

racism still existed even back then, its just that no one was actually listening

>public education in a country filled with the commoners who were too stupid to make it in europe, leftover negro slaves, and mexican laborers who democrats let over the border to gain voters is subpar and dysfunctional
Education is a privelege, not a right. Homeschool your children or shut up.

>the media does not have some agenda, they only publish news for lots of people and fast money
i was never implying they had an agenda, sorry if i misled you on that

are you trying to say that the cultural divide is what gives the market the trends needed to survive, and this in itself keeps society going?
if so i'm not quite sure why you think the cultural divide is integral to market growth

culture divided is fuel by materialism....
the market is a physical thing, materialism is a mental modern hoarding instinct
there are two forces that shapes this racial tension, stuff and identity
both of which are psychological and cannot be separated
modern life byself has a de-identification effect on people (corporate work, faceless bureaucracy and so on), race and materialism are outlets and allows in individual some safe harbor to dock one's identity and latch on

earlier you said that the popular trends of other cultures gets subsumed by the other cultures, implying that over time materialism will unify the cultures over enough subsumation, but here you say that materialism fuels cultural divide, so i'm not quite sure if i'm understanding correctly

also does all this imply that even nations that currently have a unified culture would eventually divide due to materialism? if so, how exactly would it divide?

the subsumption is not done by culture but society, a society based on materialism as culture, the globalist Society
nations currently are nothing but bureaucratic paperwork, they are no longer the active spreader of ideology, globalization took their stuff and de-meaningfied them

we are all a part of the global society, nothing more than money movers and tax payers, in order to re-identify ourselves we actively seek racial paradigms and follow certain consumer patterns, the racial protests and so on are exercises in re-identification, solidarity for the sake of self, not a goal for any community, that's why white supremacists don't care about other sjw whites, we are in it for self-pleasure, masterbation principle

does all of this imply that cultures will never be united or at the very least get along separately, and that there's no hope for widespread equality of any kind?

what could be done? should anything even be done?

there is no culture doe, no separate world-view, even amerindians have to pretend they see world differently
culture now is only defined in stuffs

>there is no culture doe
what? all around the world there are still many customs and traditions, history and so on that are all part of a people's identity.

when i speak of cultural divide i talk more about the unwillingness for two or more cultures to assimilate, making them incompatible within the same nation, and i understand how materialism fuels this, but either way there is still an identity behind it all. world views are mostly similar now due to modern life, but there are still customs and traditions carried out exclusively by only a few cultures.

you can't talk about cultural divide and then say that there is no culture.

it sounds like you're implying that all cultural divide really amounts to is the default culture vs reactionary and dated world views, which isn't sensical since there is no one world culture, despite our globalized society.

if that is what you're implying, then how are we supposed to stop this re-identification process in the future?

All of the "culture" "integration" reddit freshman sociology memespeak never takes into account regions, urban-rural divide etc

which is why they just autistically screech when they see something like catalan or scottish separatism, NYC being a huge success and not needing the rest of the country etc

those are not world-views, nothing to challenge our own, we have made ours objective, big O, those customs and traditions are relics, people don't believe in them, with a big b

"cultural divide" is a misnomer, islamic forces are bad because people fear that those people really believe in the islamic world view and are actually envious of their identity since they are willing to go so far but it's reactionary as well, IS is basically alt-right in the ME

we can't, we have one feet in identity and one feet in scientific objectivity, we are doomed to repeat the crises, sentimentalism seems to be a generation effect
we can only mitigate potential damage

how are we supposed to mitigate any damage at all? everything fuels the fire

this question might sound absolutely silly but would balkanization solve this? you can't really get reactionaries if there was never any previous subcultures in that area, and you wouldn't focus on identity as much, which would put both feet in scientific objectivity

but there are people

balkanization is not a solution it is disaster, poorer neighborhoods are in effect balkanized america

mitigation of damage is to try to appease and compromise with these groups as in the past, it is the only choice you have, at least one that preserves the society and lives

balkanization is also a dark path, there is no end to it, you will have meme-regions and meme-villages and so on, all trying to do right for culture

even states which are de-facto balkanized america the culture between them are relatively samey, and has solved no problems, of course it appeals to people who loves their state more than the union but that sentiment is in practice meaningless

believing in something greater helps, greater in identity helps, it is not impossible to imagine all that could be accomplished by working together, even if they say there were no blacks in the space program, the only way out of identity politics is to not identify

Its always germans and racism. Always.

ironically it's mostly because blacks use the whole slavery argument towards everything. you can't talk history without some minority wanting to revise it or pull the victim card. you wouldn't know since germany is like 90% white or whatever.

Mostly because it did exist. To the extend that they claim, or trying to pull some retard shit about compensation, then I agree with you on that term but it is equally stupid to think it was all fine and dandy.

well shit, you've given me a lot to think about
thanks for the discussion

it is possible that we were never meant to look from so far above

I know it exists but come on. I don't need to hear about it all the fucking time towards anything. Plus you don't even hear about anything beyond whatever is being discussed if that makes sense. They don't teach how african tribes sold out other africans etc etc. You just hear whites=bad, everyone else=victims. Then you have the whites growing up and hating other races because they're the "bad guys", and the animosity or hated for whites by the minorities for what whites done to them i n the past.

I can get why there is a lot of racists in this country. I had a friend who never said nigger and wasn't racist but ended up being a racist for a lot of bullshit he had to put up with in college

identification seemed to be useful only when true objectivity was out of reach, as it gave a basis as to what the world was
perhaps we were never meant to expand, both physically and academically, to the size we did

>I don't need to hear about it all the fucking time towards anything
Mostly comes down to politics. Race and politics come together since ye old times of the niggers of europe coming here and changing the political landscape of the race and politicians, the irish.

>Plus you don't even hear about anything beyond whatever is being discussed if that makes sense.
People don't like to wast the time digging. For example, you could be looking up some things that prove and contradict whatever your beliefs are to get a better view about it (then again majority focus on proving what they believe and not challenging what they believe in).
>They don't teach how african tribes sold out other africans etc etc.
You have to get into college courses, at least in usa history if I remember right, to get that info. The rest who didn't go to college is running on middle school/high school history.
>You just hear whites=bad
Depends on what you listen to. You, like the rest of the people you complain about fall into listen to the loudest motherfucker in the room.

We are just not prepared for the consequences, once the door is open it could never be closed again

well when the loudest motherfucker in the room happens to be the teacher then yeah lol

If you are in college, that is why you are suppose to ask questions, challenge him/her ideas and as well challenge your views (just as he/she thinks only of a racist white guy they only see one view, you are doing the same. You just accept one fact that helps your view).

If it is middle school/high school, history is the most political subject for obvious reasons. That is why people encourage kids to go to college, to challenge their beliefs.

"I like Hitler" guy 1 "wow sir that racist " guy 2 in USA, " I love Hitler" guy 1 "Sir your going to jail"

You know these aren't real problems. It's not about a broken education system or stuff like that. It's just a natural conclusion of American style capitalism. People define themselves over what they consume, and America makes it possible for them to consume political opinions by politicizing all kinds of stupid shit and then selling it to them. That's the whole system.
Every week some nigger gets shot for robbing ther gas station they come up with a new political slogan, some deep message that can be put on a tshirt, coffee mug, hat etc.and sold to the people so they can define themselves. America is the richest country in the world, the people in charge aren't stupid, they have it figured out.

im not trying to paint that white bois dindu nuffin or anything but obviously there is a bias that isn't being touch upon. And it seems you have a very traditional view on college. Not all of them are the same and they definitely aren't the same as they once were.

interesting view with some truth. I disagree with some points of it, mostly being a powerful system encompassing it (you are wrong in the part as it being largely dependent on selling it, I think there are still genuine people trying to find a solution to the problem by presenting it).

Also you sound too much like a one denominational fucking commie with conspiracy theories.

we inherited the UK's anti-intellectualism, but just turned it up

>Not all of them are the same
Of course not, that is why you are suppose to challenge shit there. If some professor tells you are wrong because of your beliefs even if you can create a coherent argument, then he is a dumbfuck. An old college friend took women studies (only straight guy in the class) and shat on the majority of the bullshit it was spewed there and some of it he did think where valid points (wish I would had taken it with him but that was 6 years ago). It is the whole point. That dumb fuck who loves being the attention whore in news by trying to speak in college campus and trying to cause a chimpout doesn't deserve the time or the money spent on cops but I think there is some good having him speaking in college campuses, challenging ideas with his stupidity.

It is not traditional, it is the whole fucking point of college (besides not flipping burgers) to challenge your own beliefs and the beliefs of others.