What did Ridley mean by this?

What did Ridley mean by this?

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No, seriously why is this scene in the movie, it's unnecessary

It changes the mood, brings down the tension and throws people off for the last scare.

>implying sweet siggy nips are unnecessary

why don't you just cut your dick off and flush it down the toilet right now. fuck you. get the fuck out of this thread

It's been ages since I saw this, but isn't this in the final act where they pit man (woman) against alien. The whole scene is basically the final confrontation, where Ripley uses her humanity, her ingenuity, against the vile beast to best it. I wouldn't know how else they would have ended the movie without a scene like this.

>The way the nips raise the shirt just that little bit extra

muhdikk

But it is necessary, because Siggy a cute.

it's literally just to give the men in the audience something to look at, there's no reason but pandering, it's sexist and it brings down a near perfect film.

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there's no other reason for it, they just wanted to strip her down for the camera and sell underwear.

Only in certain lighting.

so what though? why are people so against stuff like this, its an end scene so you have already had to make it through the entire film and it's not the type of scene that makes the average girl mad so it only really adds to the film

What did her ass mean by this?

>This...

Serious question. Up until this point in the movie, Ripley could have been a man. She was written pretty much as "one of the guys." Was this some attempt to feminize her or remind the audience that she is in fact a woman? I'm not sure that this redeems this scene at all, but it seems like at the very least it foregrounds some sense of femininity that until this moment had been evacuated from Ripley's character.

She needs to shave.

That has got to be the flattest ass I've ever seen.

yet its still pretty damn hot
its all about the connection you make to her character

I want to see KStew play the role of Ripley in an Alien remake.

>it only really adds to the film
no it doesn't it undermines the film, it's like putting an ad break in it. At least half of the population isn't interested in having their film paused so men can get a good look at the lead's body. Wait until the film is over and go look up some tits on the internet, or take a couple of pictures with you if you really can't do without it for a film's length.
>not the type of scene that makes the average girl mad
yeah but why totally break the narrative with fan service at all, I mean if you don't care about maintaining the atmosphere and direction of the film then that's whatever but then why are you the ones being pandered to. the film would be better without this crap, porn exists can't you go watch that?

>Was this some attempt to feminize her
why does a woman need to be "feminized" and why does this mean gratuitous shots of her body?
we all knew she was a woman, we didn't need the reminder, men in films don't need to get their cock out to prove their character is a man.

>femininity
>evacuated from Ripley's character
that's a weird lens to look at female characters though, like they have to conform to a subservient flirty pretty girl to be feminine. why does she need to be stereotypically feminine at all?

the only connection this makes with the audience is that the straight guys either want to bang her or otherwise judge her body, it removes some of the empathy the male audience might have with her.

That she has no tits

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Finally a tripfag that says something of worth. Also stfu tripfag.

I have to disagree with your point that it "stops" the film. I always thought it added to it because the entire film shes been running from this creature and now we finally get to a scene where she and us all think it's over. The whole undressing part is hot yeah but it also signifies that shes comfortable with the situation at the moment and it sort of makes her vulnerable in a way. Because of this it's all the more scary when everyone finds out that it isn't over yet.

Fag.

if they wanted to present her as a woman and her being a woman was something that mattered they could have made her concerned about the lack of space government seats women hold or encounter a civilisation practising fgm, but that would be ridiculous because alien isn't about a specifically female experience it's about a human experience.
or you know do what alien 3 did and have her stand independently.

>it "stops" the film
oh it does and if you weren't ogling her then you'd feel the same

>signifies that shes comfortable with the situation
because of course that's the natural reaction when you've been scared shitless, just take off all your clothes and do some flirty poses.
>Because of this it's all the more scary when everyone finds out that it isn't over yet.
no it isn't, no more than if she was fully clothed. It's a ridiculous scene and it's totally out of place.

>if you weren't ogling her you'd feel the same
that's not an arguement
>take off all your clothes and do flirty poses
the poses are not flirty considering she's the only person in the room and i dunno about you but whenever i get home there is nothing more relaxing than just knowing i am alone and just sitting there in my underwear. might sound stupid but it's pretty relaxing man
>no more than if she was fully clothed
yeah they could have accomplished it in a different way but who cares? they chose to do it this way and unless you are someone who obsesses over finding things to get mad it it's not going to bother you or take away from the film

Why do you exist? You're unnecessary.

still my #1 movie.

>that's not an arguement
well it's an argument, more than just saying it doesn't stop the film is one, you don't see it stopping the film because you're quite happy to enjoy the pandering, but it'll stop it for people who don't. You're being placated, of course you don't mind and the film just keeps a rolling for you.

>the poses are not flirty
well that's a lie, they have her bend over for the camera and then spread her legs, and when she takes her shirt off it's straight out of a modelling shoot, maybe you just don't know how women actually behave?
pic related
>wow so feminine
>so vulnerable
>very scary indeed
this is literally a shot at the most gratuitous angle.

>sitting there in my underwear
I bet you don't pose for imaginary cameras though, especially after being hunted by an alien.

>but who cares
I care, people who care about cinema care, women generally care.
>unless you are someone who obsesses over finding things to get mad it it's not going to bother you or take away from the film
well it does and it has and this kind of thing continues to do so for a lot of people.
I love alien, but this really damages the film for me.

Wasn't it supposed to be about vulnerability?

no it was straight up pandering, sex sells, and it helped sell alien.

just look at how they've had her wear her underwear, and how in this shot they happen to get a big close up of it.

that's not how you show vulnerability, nobody in the audience is thinking about how extra vulnerable they are right now.

who's talking about her vulnerability in the comments here?
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oh it's nobody

puffy vulva

Sigourney's understanding about the intentions behind the strip was that it wasn't about sex, not for her or for Ridley either, and Ripley obviously didn't want to go into hypersleep covered in blood and god know what else, she just wants to take her clothes off and have a bath, also she is relaxing, thinks it's over, goes about her business and suddenly the worst possible thing happens, she's not prepared and is vulnerable as can be.
And so fucking what about the shots, you autist? Alien is a very subtle sexual movie in general

hey sigourney can you lean over more so the guys can get a good shot of your vulnerability? no that's not far enough, make sure you're leaning at a ridiculous angle that maximises the vulnerability we can see.

you should see Paris Hilton
thrice as flat

Seek help.

B-because Ripley is a vulnerable naked woman Morty *BUUUUURRRP* S-she's a she's a strong female character Morty, but her n-nakedness *BUUUuUUUuuRP* is a way for Ridley to make the male audience feel uncomfortable Morty, Wub a lub a dub dub shit on the floor mulan nugget sauce schwift ding I want to fuck Summer fucknyou Morty you brainless turd tune in on Rick and Mort season three!

Why didnt he cast someone remotely fappable for Alien Covenant? Cant exactly squirt one out to Naomi Rapace either can you?

none of that excuses this obvious pandering which doesn't fit with the movie.
>also she is relaxing
this isn't how women relax, read my previous posts to save me repeating myself.

>Sigourney's understanding about the intentions behind the strip was that it wasn't about sex
but it clearly was, they knew what they were doing, you don't accidentally get shots like these

>vulnerable as can be
already said this is stupid, at most it's an excuse for getting her out of her clothes.

>Alien is a very subtle sexual movie in general
apart from that scene which is obvious fan service and doesn't tie in with the other sexual themes, you'll notice giger didn't make many works where a woman struts around in her panties.

>that'll show them

>its an argument more than saying it doesn't stop the film is one
I already explained why i dont see it stopping the film so no, it isn't
>straight out of a modeling shoot
nah, i just watched the scene to check and she literally just takes of her shirt like anyone else would, maybe you just don't know how people take off their shirts?
>bend over for the camera, shot at the most gratuitous angle
i agree with these points but i still don't think that it's a bad thing. its a hot scene and it was meant to be one
>i bet you don't pose for imaginary cameras though
if there was a camera that was constantly videoing me then yes, i would be, and someone like you could easily find angles of me being "flirty" on camera even though im just sitting around without clothes
>i care, people who care about cinema care, women generally care
you care, obviously, and the only other people who care are people who are offended by this kind of stuff. I have seen so many movies where men are going shirtless while im just some lanky motherfucker who likes to read books and grow plants at home, this still doesn't take away from the film for me because at the end of the day whereas you may see it as a guy showing off his body i just see it as a guy that was shirtless because of a certain situation. This is the way I and other people like me think thats the way women feel about this scene.

At the end of the day we are going to have to agree to disagree though, its obvious i agree that it's a hot scene but i do not see it as so overly flirty or pandering as you may see it and i obviously don't think it takes away from the film. And although you may say that is because i am being placated i could just turn around and say the same goes for the way youre thinking thinking about it.

COME TO MY WINDOW!

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP

Seek help. This is what you are spending your limited time on this Earth doing.

the plebs will tell you because of the tits but the armpit is the start of this scene desu

>ywn smear your cum on that bush with the tip of your dick
why even live

Why couldnt they get MEW?

It was established in the beginning that they strip down for hypersleep, and iirc it also puts down your guard for the final confrontation. If you've never seen it before, it's jarring and surprising. Also, symbolically it's fitting. Ripley is weak and powerless, exuding SEX, and is going up against a rape symbol.

i think her ass isn't bubly because she is incredibly tall - of course that's not always the case but it is in most women that are extremely tall. Plus she probably never squats

But i think her tits and vagoo are nice, and the rest of her outfit in that scene make up for it

What, Ripley in her underwear? It visually reinforces her human vulnerability versus the deadly latex-black penis-head alien monster. Are you retarded?

>I already explained why i dont see it stopping the film
well you didn't you just said you enjoyed the scenes during and following it, which you can completely do even when something out of character happens

>literally just takes of her shirt like anyone else would
well I've also obviously just watched the scene and she's shot like a model, do I actually have to find a photo shoot to compare? she doesn't lean over she does it with her arms straight in the air to raise the white top underneath as high as possible, and get the most torso in while her arms are in the air.

> i still don't think that it's a bad thing. its a hot scene and it was meant to be one
that's because you don't care when a film cuts to fan service because that fan service is for you, everybody else has to roll their eyes and wait for it to be over.

>someone like you could easily find angles of me being "flirty" on camera even though im just sitting around without clothes
even if you could say the same of alien then you'd still be saying that they went out of their way to get gratuitously lewd shots of ripley.
they totally set it up to get those shots in the first place though.

>offended
I'm not offended I just think those sections are bad pieces of film

>men are going shirtless
how is that similar to zooming in on her vulva to please straight men in the audience?
I mean if it is then I'm sure it degrades those films too and they'd be better without them. I wouldn't include a close up of a cock bulge in a film I made for no reason but for women to salivate over, that doesn't seem like good direction.

>This is the way I and other people like me think thats the way women feel about this scene.
Well I mean you're wrong, the reaction this scene gets generally is that it's obviously sexist.

>overly flirty or pandering
I mean I showed you the angles they used, I don't see how you couldn't see that is pandering, there's no reason to include those shots.


you're here too

>And although you may say that is because i am being placated i could just turn around and say the same goes for the way youre thinking thinking about it.

how does it go for how I'm thinking? I'm not being placated so I do see the true merits of the scene? Yeah that's basically what I am saying.

im not going to argue with you all night even though you do have some fair points but this:
>well I've also obviously just watched the scene and she's shot like a model, do I actually have to find a photo shoot to compare? she doesn't lean over she does it with her arms straight in the air to raise the white top underneath as high as possible, and get the most torso in while her arms are in the air.
this is just absolute autism.

It was a different time.

Also people in this thread are basically just talking about her ass, if these scenes did what you're saying they're doing then they'd be talking about how well the director shows her vulnerability surely?

have you ever seen a human take off a garment of clothing? nobody ever does it like that, there's four seconds of her with her midriff as exposed as they could make it, she's posing.

>also people in this thread...
you're on Sup Forums, what do you expect, people here fantasize over traps and lolis

idk maybe you've only seen women undress in films, which is not a jab at you it's just reasonable assumption since that's where most people see it happen, and if you have then they're probably trying to do it erotically. It's not like you can hang around a women's clothes store to see the bumbling mess most people are.

A time when people didn't spaz out about the heroine of a science fiction horror movie being shot in underwear to juxtapose against a scary monster just because it makes the movie look cooler. Those days are long gone for sure.

She still has no ass. It's a boner killer.

yeah but there'd be nothing to talk about without this scene being how it is, and it's not here it's everywhere, the reaction to this scene from straight men isn't contemplation about vulnerability it's making judgements about her body.
That is the reaction it gets from the same people when they watch the film.

you're still allowed to make films like that, you're just not entitled to everybody saying they think it makes a good film.

I somehow dont think Ridley gives two shits what you think

the reaction for me, when i watched this movie, was very much a contemplation about vulnerability
yes it was a hot scene and it turned me on but it does it in a subtle enough way (not in your eyes obviously) that you aren't really thinking about it
im not just strawmanning either, this is the way i have though about this scene my whole life, if im the only one who feels this way about it and doesn't see it as an overly-pandering scene then so be it, i stand by my opinion.

Then what are you complaining about?

What the hell are you talking about entitlement for? People can like and think whatever they want. They always have and always will. You may not agree with it, but that's your opinion.

>subtle enough way
the size of her underwear alone I mean really.

the shock of the xenomorph being there would have the same effect on me whatever she was wearing, we already know it can take people apart fully clothed, I don't think there's time to examine her outfit before you're shocked by the jump-scare. Obviously you can argue getting undressed adds some unconscious atmosphere but I don't buy that, that seems flimsy.

Me? Nothing, that was my first post

because somebody, you maybe, was complaining that people aren't all accepting when "the heroine of a science fiction horror movie" is "shot in underwear to juxtapose against a scary monster" in this day and age.
It cuts both ways, if people think that kind of thing is bad cinema then they're allowed their opinion.

okay, that's you're opinion get over it. im not going to say i agree with you and you know that so give it up.

Shame it took another 30 years for her ass to come in the mail.

did you write this

alienexplorations.
blogspot.
co.uk/1979/10/sex-and-alien.html

or just plagiarise it

well that's a weird way to end a conversation, I don't expect you to agree, have a nice day.

I've seen people like this before. You need help, heavily medicated help. A movie triggered your autism. Such retardation is terminal I'm afraid. But thanks for the hot and high quality Weaver pics, I'll be fapping to those.

do these thread usually go like this? tend to close them out after i've said something about ripley

my god, people are talking about a film on tv.

no there's usually little or no actually discussion about a film's content.

>Xenomorph is literally the incarnation of the monstrous side of human sexuality by design
>feminists will still complain that Weaver's vulnerable half-naked state has "no place" in the movie

found the triggered cunt. nobody gives a shit about your ''sexism pandering'' shit. seeing sexy ladies in movies is always a plus. dont like it? tough shit, bitch. now go back to tumblr

W-what the fuuu*burp*ck are you talking about, M-morty

it is so hard to tell when somebody's being serious or ironic sometimes.

Her ass is trying to get a bigger bonus.

Nobody should be allowed to enjoy seeing half-naked women on film or enjoy it without my permission, shitlord.

(You)

(You too)

>its sexist to be attracted to be attracted to women
Why dont you take a full step back and FUCK YOUR OWN FACE

>this scene
>ripley crawls into the locker
>lefts her leg to get into the space suit
>perfect opportunity for a sole shot
>not even a toe in sight
WTF i thought this was KINO

Impressive

m-moot?

Gotchu senpai

She's more vulnerable in the final act, dumb ass.