>Turkey has withdrawn 40 soldiers from a NATO military exercise in Norway, after the country's founding leader Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and Erdogan himself were allegedly depicted as "enemies." >Erdogan said his and Ataturk's names were placed on a "table" listing "enemies" during the NATO drills. He said he had personally instructed the immediate withdrawal of the Turkish troops "even if those names are removed" from the table.
Can someone explain to me why Turkey is in NATO in the first place? Erdogan seems fucking crazy. Throw them out imho.
Camden Howard
>why Turkey is in NATO in the first place?
-cold war geopilitics -it's the biggest member of NATO (excluding the US) -control of the Bosporus/Black sea -containing Russia -Use Turkey as operating basis in the Middle East
Jordan Robinson
Turkey>western dogs
Ayden Barnes
OP is the k*Rd in Norway btw
Jace Phillips
>Can someone explain to me why Turkey is in NATO in the first place?
Turkey is ranked as the wolds 5th strongest nation. And is the 2nd strongest country within the NATO-pact afther the US.
It is better to have Turkey on your side, than having it on the enemy side
Nathaniel Davis
this
Jace King
I know Turkey is somewhat stronk, but even without them NATO will crush all opposition
Carter Green
>NATO will crush all opposition
The only relevant military power in NATO is the US, NATO is a paper tiger (Cfr. the pathetic military effort in Libya).
Nevertheless, fuck the Turks.
Michael Nguyen
lmfao, the turks are not going to do shit.
Lucas Baker
>Cfr. the pathetic military effort in Libya you have to elaborate on that one
Evan Wood
Again. It is better to have Turkey on your side, than having it on the enemy side
Gabriel Watson
A military alliance of scores of countries declares war on a small desert country embroiled in a civil war, and we bungle it completely. We couldn't even get all the missiles delivered so we ran out of ammunition.
Grayson Parker
French and British decide they want to ruin Libya, end up needing US support to bail them out.
Nevermind that it was retarded idea to begin with, ruining a stable country, directly contributing to the refugee crisis.
Logan Morris
>Label them as your enemies. >Why aren't they exercising with us.
Austin Johnson
>French and British decide they want to ruin Libya, end up needing US support to bail them out.
The absolute STATE of e*rope
Nolan Jones
>turks don't understand that in a military exercise someone has to play the opposing force aka team yellow
Lincoln Adams
Russia's military isn't much better (see Afghanistan, Chechnya). You barely defeated small shit countries like Georgia and Ukraine.
Colton Gonzalez
afghanistan was like 30-40 years ago
Nolan Thompson
>barely defeated
Georgia was decimated in five days and we never really invaded Ukraine.
>Afghanistan, Chechnya Yeah, those were quite embarassing.
Ayden Thomas
Why does the enemy have to be an ally though? even worse an ally that is helping you in the exercise.
Mason King
Good, I hope NATO crumbles
Henry Thomas
this
Angel Roberts
>we never really invaded Ukraine.
Then what about all those armed Russians going on 'vacation' in Ukraine?
Evan Adams
> >barely
Thomas Baker
>Erdogan said his and Ataturk's names were placed on a "table" listing "enemies" during the NATO drills. Were the Greeks involved in this?
Blake Johnson
Never happened. Was there a declaration of war? No. Did our tanks roll into Ukrainian land? No. Do you honestly think that Russian military wouldn't be able to defeat Ukraine?
Cooper Harris
I know some countries had issues with getting enough ammunition but that's hardly the biggest fuck up ever. This is a pretty normal logistical challenge when you're dropping tens of thousands of bombs.
Turkey creates unnecessary tensions with Russia, and buys oil from ISIS.
It was a whole coalition with many smaller NATO countries involved as well, and it happened because the whole international community got outraged and triggered when gadaffi was killing civilian opposition. Everyone was begging NATO for an intervention, including Libyans, so they gave air support to the rebels.
Nathan Evans
Because it's make belief for the sake of a successful exercise.
Besides I have a very hard time believing norwegians would use a word as unprofessional as "enemy". They probably used the term motstander or something equally non-offensive and the retarded turks went full caveman.
Lincoln Rodriguez
They werent really invading. Just helping separatists stand their ground
Eli Wood
>fighting proxy wars isn't warfare
Jackson Johnson
Пpивeт Boвa
Ryan Hall
It isn't. The question was not whether or not DNR and LNR receive support from Russia but whether or not Russia is fighting a direct war with Ukraine. The answer is no.
Xavier Price
By sending soldiers and military equipment across the border. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Robert Hill
>Turkey creates unnecessary tensions with Russia, and buys oil from ISIS
Who did not buy isis oil from Turkey though. And it is Russia that violated their airspace so they had it comming.
Alexander Cruz
oh yeah Iraq showed everyone that overthrowing dictatorships with no backup plans would improve the middle-east amirite?!
99% of libyans would beg for ghaddafi's stable libya to come back. to hell with those who opposed them, I enjoy their misery. to those who supported them, they deserve compassion. they were in the right all along.
Nolan Richardson
SeeAnd stop being such a passive-aggresive homosexual
Adam Young
>Then what about all those armed Russians going on 'vacation' in Ukraine?
James Sanders
Ghaddafis Libya was not stable towards the end, do you even remember the shit that he said and the things that went down before NATO even got involved? It was already a civil war before NATO did anything. The Gaff just started killing protestors en masse, it was not stable at all.
Oliver Robinson
it's not about their military power, but their geopolitical importance, which is massive in this fucked up region
also -a muslim country that recognized israel early
Noah Roberts
Meня Димa зoвyт.
Oliver Cruz
Turkey has an extremely important geographical position, strong army and they were historically allies of western powers (check crimean warfor example) and enemies of russia. I'd say nowadays Turkey is one of the core NATO members.
Wyatt Miller
>allies
Ottomans were puppets, the sole reason they existed was to keep Russia from expanding even more.
For the exact same reason, Turkey will never be kicked out of NATO. A Turkish-Russian alliance would not be good for Europe/America.
Gavin Parker
this. turkey was acting according to international laws and agreements, it was russia who acted unnecessary aggressively and basically provoked Turkey. so it's not Turkey that creates tensions, russia does
Hunter Morgan
>Turkey creates unnecessary tensions with Russia, and buys oil from ISIS.
turkey support isis
Cameron Hughes
doesn't really matter. it was an alliance, calling it puppet-master relationships won't change that fact. by that logic the US doesn't have any allies, only puppets, neither did the USSR
Leo Roberts
Turkey does create tensions elsewhere though. it's just the whole Russian jet downing was the result of Russian provocations
Gavin King
>by that logic the US doesn't have any allies, only puppets Now you're onto something, тoвapищ.
Cameron Myers
no it does not, russia did in that case with all the provocations
Parker Lee
Profs
Jackson Ortiz
>by that logic the US doesn't have any allies, only puppets
isn't that the case? turkey became a puppet of america the moment we joined nato.
Mason Garcia
> russia did in that case with all the provocations
what
Parker Ward
russia created tensions, not Turkey. Turkey acted diplomatically and in accordance with the international laws and norms
Samuel Mitchell
>today we will be learning that our ally is actually our enemy, and their very well-respected founding father is a bad man >learn to kill them >wtf turkey why u chimpin out bro xD why u so subhuman xD u so mad? xD
legit autism what's wrong with the w*St
how can you even blame Turkey, if somebody did this with the american founding fathers amerimutts would literally start flinging shit
Christopher Martin
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but yes, Russia is know for violating airspaces of other countries and it was indeed within Turkeys legal right to down the jet
Michael Turner
>let's kill ataturk guys ;ddDDd it's really fun :d >ahaha why are you so mad turkbros it's just a banter x)))
are you really this retarded?
Kayden Nelson
>put the picture of founding leader of your ally as enemy in target practice while your ally is also attending to the same thing >Can someone explain to me why Turkey is in NATO in the first place? Erdogan seems fucking crazy. Throw them out imho.
Parker Ross
>if you are being sarcastic i am not, not at all
Nicholas Jenkins
buttmad roaches detacted, it's just banter mate.
Jaxon Flores
Sorry for my retarded cousin. Just remember that he has only invented a Cheese Slicer in a period of 14 000 years.
Jeremiah Ortiz
it's still better than pic related, at lest Turks left becasue of their own will not becasue they don't have money to run a fucking army or becasue their defence minister is a fucking woman. Remeber that less than a century ago entire world needed to pitch together to beat them.
Luis Fisher
>if somebody did this with the american founding fathers amerimutts would literally start flinging shit
Heaven help them
Justin Morris
>NATO >29 members >only 4-5 pay required 2% of GDP for defense >rest just don't do anything or slash the cash like Germany >WE WOULD TOTALY BEAT THEM!
Bentley Fisher
it was a "norwegian" kurd who did this
Christian Gutierrez
>Trusting the W*st Not even once.
Kevin Sanders
>armchair generals itt trying to make points against conventional warfare by using guerilla warfare as examples
Jace Watson
thread/
Joshua Davis
This, if targets would be Piłsudski it'd be national scandal here if our soldiers would fire bullets at him. Turks saved their face and showed they're bunch of pussies.
Noah Lee
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Aaron Gomez
nothing personel "turkbros" :^)
Julian King
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Ryan Morris
happened no yes yes
Lincoln Allen
i love russian tank design >hey that t72 tanks looks cool >yeah, let's base our every deising on it same with every plane desing based on su-27
Dominic Foster
I hate not paying to be able to speak you language. But do you have any psychos in your thread?
I might have repeat this before, but he just keep on going.