Isn't USA doomed?

Non-american fag here. I was wondering of what y'all thinks about this font of memes that you call 2016 US elections, I mean, in one hand you have a racist cunt and in the other hand you have a corrupt bitch. Don't you think that neither Trump nor Hillary wins USA will still fucked up?

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Don't worry about it, literally who: the country. It isn't your concern.

Ok, memes aside and in all seriousness:

Whoever wins we lose.

Trump is literally the 1% and will use his power as the president to ensure greater leverage goes to the rich.

Hillary got away with a felony. The FBI director Comey essentially said they have evidence that she mishandled evidence (intent doesn't matter) but does not recommend persecution. That's like saying: "Yes, there is evidence the person stole a TV but don't arrest him".

I am genuienly terrified of my nations future.

Only for the next 4 years hopefully. To be honest I don't think either of them could do too much irreversible damage that we couldn't overcome, and I think no matter who wins they'll be a one term president unless they actually do manage to get their shit together and fix our country. Hopefully in 4 years we'll have someone competent running for POTUS although I really doubt it.

So am I, that thing you said is a daily-thing here in my shitty country, I can't even imagine that something like that would happen there in USA

I think the main reason this happened is because people are tired of our representatives misrepresentating the middle class (middle class is the lifeblood of a nation).

This term was far more about being anti-establishment than about policy. The only one that truly cared about policy was Bernie Sanders. He essentially lost due to the remaining democratic loyalists in our nation. Bernie didn't get the black vote because people have this strange attachment to the Clintons. We've missed an opportunity.

Trumps appeal is the fact that he uses "the good old days" imagery. His slogan calls back to nostalgic fantasys about the past being so great. He ran under this platform and he ran under the idea that since he's rich he can't be bought out. People forget that while he won't really be bought out he is the one that does the buying out. He is the establishment in many ways. There is no point being bought out when it's his kind that tends to push for self interests.

There are democrats in this country that basically escuse Hillary; They suggest that even if she did commit a felony it would be ok she got away with it because they want to stop Trump. My nation is morally bankrupt.

Continue to be terrified, you sound like every angsty voter in the last thirty years.

>Trump is literally the 1% and will use his power as the president to ensure greater leverage goes to the rich.

He thinks the last few presidents weren't the elite. How cute.

I would feel bad for you if it wasn't for your beliefs that lead to this fuckfest.

> People forget that while he won't really be bought out he is the one that does the buying out.

You post was on fleek in so many ways, but just wanted to say: Trump can be bought out. Absolutely. He's not nearly as rich as he claims, but even aside from that he can be bought out in other currency.

But otherwise spot on. Prepare for the salty butthurt replies, shill :)

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Yeah, they were yet people vote for him anyway.

Please enlighten me on what my beliefs are, you seem to have gathered a lot of information based on a sentence.

Things don't stay the same forever user. People are becoming too comfortable, the world has forgotten the horrors that a world war brings, and therefor we are bound to repeat them.
Stop being foolish and open your eyes, this isn't some hug-fest, feel good movie with a fairytale ending; this is real life.

pls on kys famb

only thing that comes to mind about Honduras is M.S. 13 gang members

Absolutely. Relatively well-informed youth on the internet are mobilizing for a candidate who might literally be retarded and a fucking felon.

Mounting tribalism has caused the American people to regress to a level of ideological malleability comparable to pre-Internet mass media programming capabilities. They shut themselves off in their enclaves and echo chambers until their beliefs have warped to the point of having zero basis in reality.

Republicans literally believe the government will try to forcibly take their guns, and furthermore, that small arms fire will somehow protect them from tanks and military helis. Democrats have whipped themselves into a self-loathing frenzy spiral of giving constant handouts to black people, women and muslims for no reason other than white guilt.

It is fucking pathetic

Except he's not racist. He is a bit of a cunt but so what? I'm not voting someone in because they're nice. I'm voting for someone who can actually run shit and run it well.

Whatever your candidate believes.

We are, but i'll take the greasy businessman over the commie or the traitor. That's a no brainer.

So is Sup Forums still generally pro-trump or have you guys grown to hate him over time.

I don't frequent here so I don't know.

> Honduras

What's it like living in the most violent country in the world, excluding warzones?

>run shit and run it well

You are fucking deluded if you think Trump will be anything but a trainwreck after the Pence pick. Kasich has revealed that Trump wants nothing to do with policy and just wants to be a figurehead; this fits well with his campaign history of offering literally no detailed policy elucidation ever, on any fucking plan he has proposed.

Trump is the first candidate to run on no platform at all. Pence is a fucking autist religious nut.

You're some stupid occupy Wallstreet Bernie cuck. Shut the fuck up and earn something for yourself, don't just point your dirty NEET hands at people who are just better at the game of capitalism than you are. You'd be surprised how far you can get with a shower and some hard work you fucking pussy.

Go to his website, his shit is laid out for you. What more do you want faggot?

We have two competent political manipulators that could work wonders for the country.
That's more than could be said for smaller nations.

I really dont care what you say, Im voting for gary johnson to try to get the libertarian party out into the open. This country has gotten dangerously far away from its classical liberalism roots and the founding fathers warned us of this current situation. Johnson isnt a very principled candidate by libertarian terms, but hes very close to getting into the debates and it could change the election. If he shits the bed I will be very disappointed Austin Petersen didnt get the nomination and the party will have itself to blame.


Only thing that can change my mind is if the election is extremely close between trump and hillary, she can NOT get elected, and I will probably vote trump to spite her

Hi, hijacking your stupid faggot conversation:

Im 18 and make 60k in software engineering. I dropped out of college to pursue a job I was offered due to a strong portfolio I built while I was in high school. I have lots of "friends" on skype and shit that are autistic neets with no accomplishments, most of whom live with their parents and work minimum wage jobs, all of whom constantly rant about people on welfare and how important hard work is.

How much do you make? Answer honestly. I want to know if you're selfish or if you're just that susceptible to bourgie brainwashing.

We survived Dubya. Don't worry about us, we're literally too blue pilled and too big to fail.

You're looking at a nation that got their asses whooped by a bunch of backwater gooks, and didn't count it as a loss.

We gon' be alright.

a vote for trump is a vote for the american workforce

We survived worse.

Anyway, my point is that people who spout this kind of anti-socialist rhetoric are usually poor and uneducated whereas people who argue for stronger social programs tend to have a 4 year degree and are upper-middle class. It seems as if everyone votes against their own self interest; you vote to deregulate people and institutions worth more than your life because you have delusions of one day joining the upper class, whereas affluent demographics skew highly liberal. Response?

Don't call it software engineering, call a spade a spade and just say you do some java or c++

Is that all you can come up with? Is that your argument? Your excuse for why my opinion is different from yours? I disagree with you therefore I am jobless?

You are such an intellectual coward that your brain automatically triggers a biased response; preprogramed by your idiot brain.

Donald Trump isn't racist.

Both of them will put a firm hand on this BLM nonsense. (She is basically a republican)

Presidential elections don't affect the day to day life of Americans as much as you might think.

Even all these protest you see on TV doesn't really change the normal activities of the average American.

This is mostly just being exaggerated by the media for ratings.

I will refer to my job title as what it formally is, thank you.

C#, Python, and R, though.

Checked and Kek

The cultural climate is going to really fucking suck for the next four years either way. The divisiveness is sickening.

I've seen some damn funny memes from each side though.

>guy who is against bought-out politics and entire focus has been MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>going to only help the richs

m8

Hillary isn't going to fuck us either, it'll just be the same slight decline at a steady rate.

lmao holy shit honduras has internet xD

The Supreme Court nominations alone make this the most important election in decades. Pay attention for fucks sake.

It's usually the lower class that tend to bend over backwards to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

...

>trump is part of 1%
>shits on the 1% all of the time
>created so many enemies these past few months and risking everything he has
>literally reforming the elite around him instead of becoming an establishment shill.

That is what Trump claims, man. He changes his positions so often. He taps into Americas heartstrings and it's been working.

America is dead. So why not have fun with Trump?

I wished Nick Hanauer was running instead. He's the only one that I know that is telling people that if they want higher wages that the people are going to have to force them.

>trusting anything a person who runs for president says

its because of people like you we are too this point you stupid cuck

It's actions, not words you idiot.

This election is the easiest choice ever. Trump is the real deal. He really loves America and wants what's best for the people. Hillary Clinton only cares about her own power. She is surrounded up to her neck in scandals. She doesn't stand for women, or for Muslims, or for Mexicans like she claims. She is an evil, evil person.

This assertion that Trump is racist just isn't true. Islam is not a race, and our current laws state that illegal Mexicans are not allowed in. Trump only wants to build a wall and defend our CURRENT LAWS. Hillary Clinton wants to ignore the law, she doesn't want the law to be enforced, that already exists, and she acts like Donald is a terrible person for wanting to uphold the current laws. It's such backwards, twisted logic.

Pic related shows you Hillary's backwards priorities. Combine this with the fact that she is being funded by the Saudi Arabian government. Hillary also wants to create a no fly zone in Syria, which would lead to the US shooting down Russian planes. So if you want WWIII, then vote for Hillary Clinton. If you want lower crime rates and lower taxes then vote for Trump.

The tax plan stuff is interesting but again offers zero details. "Close loopholes for the very rich" - what the fuck does that mean? Capital gains? Very typical of the campaign.

Everything else I saw on the site was either fucking worthless pandering (muh guns!!! muh obamacare!!! muh veterans!!!) or Le Wall. There are literally only 7 entries in the "positions" section, which sounds exactly right.

Generally a president is expected to have more than 7 opinions. There tend to be more than 7 problems going on in the world at any given time. Wheres the shit about:

>israel/palestine
>daesh in general
>war on drugs/heroin epidemic
>tuition and for-profit schooling
>literally anything about education, actually
>energy and the emerging renewable sector which will be impacted more by legislation and subsidies over the next 8 years than ever before

Can you or anyone tell me, specifically, how Trump will address even 3 of these critical issues?

>multiple people including the author of trumps autobiography have been warning for months about his extreme egotism

see
address some of these points for me

He's a literal narcissist.

>would deport millions of immigrants

funny how she leaves out the illegal part

Don't come to our country shit skin.

You could also, y'know, check out the Youtube channel.

Best way to describe this election with the US' deathspiral is
>Trump wins, the world loses
>Hilary wins, the US (and the West) continue their slow decline

Past 30 years has been the US delegating its economic, industrial and political power to foreign entities. Trump's policies will severely disrupt the powers that be.

Yup, they're from El Salvador actually, but there's a lot of fuckers like those here... Even working with politics

Or you could spend a few minutes and enlighten me if his stances are so clear cut and well documented. I've done enough research that the initial onus no longer rests on me.

Stop calling Donald Trump a corrupt bitch you fucking Honduran shit stain.

I happen to like Trump's assertive demeanor. That's better than Hillary when she gets called out on her hypocrisy.
youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

>You are fucking deluded if you think Trump will be anything but a trainwreck after the Pence pick.
People have received Pence quite well. We like him.
>Kasich has revealed that Trump wants nothing to do with policy and just wants to be a figurehead; this fits well with his campaign history of offering literally no detailed policy elucidation ever, on any fucking plan he has proposed.
All this, according to butthurt, irrelevant Kasich, who went back on his word and won't back Trump, and won't even go to the convention in his own home state.
>Trump is the first candidate to run on no platform at all.
These are his positions: donaldjtrump.com/issues/ All you had to do was look it up. You'll somehow try to spin it like these aren't "real" ideas or something.
>Pence is a fucking autist religious nut.
You're genuinely autistic if you look at Pence and that's what you see. He seems like a nice guy. Sorry he couldn't be a fedora enthusiast atheist, or your hero Kasich.

This is how I'm feeling right now too

>trump
>racist
Nice try, paco.
Wanting a secure border is not racism.
Keeping out criminals and terrorists is not racism.

>What's it like living in the most violent country in the world, excluding warzones?
That's what I question to myself everytime I wake up

I'm not a conservative, I don't know anything about Kasich. Pence was NOT well received, that's spin to keep the base from fracturing. You can go back and look at archives on Sup Forums and The_Donald when Pence was the rumored pick and people were pulling the "4D chess" shit again.

Pence is a mess, admit it. I'm way more patient with Trump than I should be. Pence is Cruz-level of unadulterated retard. Indiana is the worst state in the country other than Mississippi.

See regarding Trump's policies on his website.

should be
>BUT Pence is Cruz-level

>Literally google donald trump future of energy
>get 9000 word statement on his site
It's not hard, I have to go out in the garage and do more rust repair work, I'll leave you to it

I think its fine.

All of you people thinking these are the end of days dont seem to understand one important thing;

Unless we elect a leader who is willing to bite the bullet, say what needs to be said and get rid of our problems immediately, then what are halfway true. America is and has been declining for the past 8~ years, and unless we elect somehow who will cut through the bullshit, then absolutely nothing will change.

And it will never work unless the elected person is saying 'controversial' things that need to be said.

Oh gee whiz, we wouldn't want someone egotistical, or narcissistic. Hillary Clinton isn't egotistical by the way, right? Even though she's clearly far more egotistical than Trump. Trump has never sperged out like Hillary did a few times in this video: youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

>The tax plan stuff is interesting but again offers zero details. "Close loopholes for the very rich" - what the fuck does that mean? Capital gains? Very typical of the campaign.
donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
>Everything else I saw on the site was either fucking worthless pandering (muh guns!!! muh obamacare!!! muh veterans!!!) or Le Wall. There are literally only 7 entries in the "positions" section, which sounds exactly right.
You just don't know how to look anything up. I'll bet you don't even know that he has given a detailed plan on how he will get Mexico to pay for the wall. I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you, look it up for yourself.
>Generally a president is expected to have more than 7 opinions.
All talking points he may bring up during the debate:
>BLM, race relations, restoring trust between the police force and the people
>Defeating ISIS
>Illegal immigration, the wall, improving the screening process for immigrants
>Second amendment rights
>End common core
>Creating jobs
>Fixing the economy
>e-mail scandal
>white water
>Benghazi
>Funded by Saudi Arabia; felony
>Hillary's inconsistencies over time
>Hillary does not stand for women like she claims; I.E. The Clinton's War on Women by Roger Stone

>>israel/palestine
He says he supports Israel
>>literally anything about education, actually
Says he's against common core
>Can you or anyone tell me, specifically, how Trump will address even 3 of these critical issues?
I only know those 2. He's probably commented on the others. You just don't know how to look anything up.

Exactly, they conflate legal and illegal immigration.

This, she's a fucking communist and he's a fucking nazi. Extremism rules the day.

:)

Pence was well received. If you want to see an example of something not being well received, go watch the end of Ted Cruz' speech today. People like Pence.

>I'm way more patient with Trump than I should be.
No, you are way too critical of him when he is the man who can save America.

It may not affect too much your country, but it'll affect other countries, like this fag's country who thinks they are a worldwide powerful country just because they're just a little bit less poor than other countries in latam

>gimp the EPA and kick unrenewable energy extraction into overdrive, in an attempt to force our economy to rely on energy sources that will be worthless in 1 generation
>renewables and solar are mentioned in 1 tiny sentence that just talks about deregulating energy

wew it's somehow even worse than i thought

>h-he might say something in the debate though...!!!

he's not my candidate, I know enough about him to know I won't vote for him. hilarious that you can't speak on even 3 policy points for the person you devote your free time to crusading for.

btw i read the tax page, it just said some shit about 3 tax brackets instead of 7 and the extremely vague part about "this is revenue neutral because we will recoup $2 trillion by taxing the very rich, somehow!"

>pro sending all our money to israel
fucking wew lmfao

Also, just to be clear, I am not 100% behind Trump. But I do like about 80% of what he says. it's not just that Trump is a solid candidate, it's that Hillary Clinton is so bad. This should be an easy choice for anyone.

>have to choose between a traitor and a delusional cheese creature
>runners-up were the zodiac killer and an wheezing socialist

If you like Trump, you're probably a little gullible, a little too patriotic, maybe a little too reactionary about social issues. All forgivable.

If you say you like Pence, you're either:
misinformed/ignorant about his record;
lying to avoid saying anything bad about Trump and breaking the cult of personality;
a fucking retard.

This user understands the extensive power that the Vice President holds in our political system.

Yes, this is the logic I had for a while. Before the Pence pick, I was Bernie>Trump>Johnson>Hillary. Now there are zero viable candidates except Johnson. Everyone else is a trainwreck.

>>h-he might say something in the debate though...!!!
I proved you wrong. You said Trump only had 7 opinions. These are things he's already talked about and a few things he hasn't brought up yet.
>he's not my candidate, I know enough about him to know I won't vote for him. hilarious that you can't speak on even 3 policy points for the person you devote your free time to crusading for.
Sorry I couldn't meet your arbitrary standard of "3", and you'll completely ignore the 2 points that he talked on and it won't change your incredibly low IQ, uninformed view at all.
>btw i read the tax page, it just said some shit about 3 tax brackets instead of 7 and the extremely vague part about "this is revenue neutral because we will recoup $2 trillion by taxing the very rich, somehow!"
If you read it then why did you ask about it?
>>pro sending all our money to israel
Strawman argument.

Thanks for voting against me getting my job back so you can sit on your "he's racist!" high horse. Pro-tip: Being a victim isn't cool. You're not cool because you got to call someone a racist. Loser.

What is Trump's plan to "close loopholes on the very rich"? Can you answer that?

By the way, read about what the term "strawman" means. It isn't a word you can magically sprinkle in to retroactively win an argument you lost.

>Thanks for voting against me getting my job back so you can sit on your "he's racist!" high horse. Pro-tip: Being a victim isn't cool. You're not cool because you got to call someone a racist. Loser.

Holy shit, I didn't even get to this part of your fucking retard post. Read my posts in this thread. I have said absolutely nothing about racism or sexism. I have kept my argument 100% to policy issues. I am in favor of banning Muslims and deporting illegals. I don't think Trump is a racist; I think he's an idiot. Stop grasping at fucking straws.

>Yes, this is the logic I had for a while. Before the Pence pick, I was Bernie>Trump>Johnson>Hillary.
No you weren't, liar. Nobody would be stupid enough to change their vote because of a VP pick. Do you think Hillary voters will go "Oh my goodness, Elizabeth Warren? I'm voting for Jill Stein now!"
>Now there are zero viable candidates except Johnson.
It's either Trump or Hillary. Trump is good, Hillary is bad. A kindergartner should be able to make a choice this idea.
>Everyone else is a trainwreck.
Not Trump.

>What is Trump's plan to "close loopholes on the very rich"? Can you answer that?
Not gonna spoonfeed you anymore than I already have - Especially considering that you've proven that you've made up your stupid mind. We didn't need your vote anyway.
>By the way, read about what the term "strawman" means. It isn't a word you can magically sprinkle in to retroactively win an argument you lost.
You and your girl Hillary are the only people who don't know what a strawman is.

>no counter to my actual beliefs which are bulletproof
>"Y-YOU'RE PROBABLY LYING!!!"

Trolling or retard?

>proved everything you said wrong
>then makes a strawman argument
Well thanks for the little chat, you probably persuaded a few people to Trump's side actually. I doubt you're even old enough to vote.

Bitter 17 year + 364 day old Bernie supporters like you are great. You are one of Trump's greatest assets.

Scroll up. Read literally any of my posts, like I've been asking to. I state my age in the thread.

You're overestimating the power of presidency if you think one shitty one can ruin the nation. That being said, I think a crook like Hillary is capable of doing a lot more damage in office than Trump.

I can't believe you've fucking made me do this, but I'm going to have to explain to you what a strawman is. A strawman is when you create an imaginary enemy to attack because your real enemy is better than you. I jumped to the conclusion that pro-Israel means in favor of increasing foreign aid to Israel, which is a reasonable conclusion to jump to but regardless is not based in evidence and was intended in some way to take a jab. This is not remotely a straw man.

A strawman could be, for example, realizing that you've been publicly obliterated and then trying to pivot the argument to a different one that you can win. For example, calling Trump racist is a stupid non-argument and is easy to take apart. When you lost the argument against me, you chose to instead put up a straw man of me as an SJW who thinks Trump is a racist, which has zero basis in reality.

Explain how my Israel statement was a strawman argument. Or you could shut the fuck up, too.

So that makes 2 obliterated trump kiddies who have been triggered so hard they left the thread, can we go for a hat trick?

Also laughing at how everyone backed away from the salary question. Seems the vast majority of alt right are college age kids who make less than 40k.

Alright, guess I win this thread lmao. Night cucks.

one more for posterity

>getting this mad on the internet

fucking sad my man

>Hillary Clinton isn't egotistical by the way, right?

Why is it that everyone automatically assumes that because one is not in favor of Trump they must favor Hillary. Come on.

obviously trolling.
Yep, you're right, the first ones to suffer the consequences will be us, not so sure about how will affect yours to be honest, all i know is that however wins is going to be bad for us: Trumpo wins and illegals and their offspring is sent back and crime rate will skyrocket (no doubt about that at all, our local cholos joining forces or killing these assholes who have been exposed to all the nigger degeneracy) due unemployment or because they simply criminals; on the other hand, if the bitch wins there will be even more slavery here and probably more pacos/juanes trying to get the hell out and crossing the border making racial tensions worst because burgers andsick and tired of muh stolen land n shiiett and the bitches who spawn kids like there wasn't a tomorrow...fucking sucks