Why is Switzerland so rich? it can't just be because the fiscal paradise service...

Why is Switzerland so rich? it can't just be because the fiscal paradise service, other countries offer even more flexible laws to put your money and they're shit anyway, what is their secret?

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Quality of financial devices is as if not more important

It really isn't that hard to put two and two together.

It's the country where the elite keeps their gold.

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Compare the countries with more immigrants with less immigrants and then correlate with GDP/per capita and HDI.
Switzerland has the most immigrants and is the most wealthy (not including small city-states).

They didn't spend a huge amount of money on WWI and WWII like most European countries, they saved and invested it.

Not relevant.

Switzerland is not rich because it has many immigrants
It has many immigrants because it is so rich

Woman love only rich man

not fun to be rich if everebody rich
normaly people must die from starvation every day

Low taxes
Banking
Actual democracy
Good work ethic

>Not relevant.
It is.
Do you seriously believe if Switzerland closed its doors to everybody it would be as prosperous?

If you would visit you would understand, Swiss people are different, I was in a tiny swiss village inside a bar shooting the shit with some locals and one of them starts making fun of the other for being too rich, I laugh and ask how much he makes, he said over a million CHF a year, I was speechless, this fucker lives in a tiny village in the middle of no where and drinks in a bar in that town.

Apparently a lot of super rich people in Switzerland don't give a shit about being rich and try to act as if they were another person who doesn't make that much

Things that never happened

>try to act as if they were another person who doesn't make that much

Only Americans show off their money like the dumbtards they are

Switzerland is rich because most corrupted men hide their money there, also because many big companies are there due tax benefits, companies like Nestle and Glencore that abuse workers in third work countries, and pay bribes to government officials in order of get beneficial laws that help them to pay less taxes, all the taxes the big companies doesnt pay to your country government end being hide in Swizerland bank accounts.
name any corrupt president , former president, governent official of your country, that person for sure has a secret Swiss bank account.

They're mountain jews. Such natural protection allowed them to not have to worry about war.

The banking secret was abolished in Switzerland.

Yeah, we don't have as much of a wealth show-off culture as the US or Asia. Except cars.

Every shows off though. Just in different ways and doing it on the down low.

Did you not read all those companies he listed.

How about companies like
>Roche
>Novartis
>ABB
>Swatch
>home of the ETH
>etc
high-tech manufacturing is why we are rich.

bles gib back my moni swissbro

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it helps by not being at war, and everyone giving their money to you because you're neutral or something

Finally.
This is what happens when racemixed untermenschen and low IQ goblins try to talk shit they don’t understand. Switzerland is a fucking integrationist shithole. Nothing worse than integration of immigrants. it’s a common mistake on this board to think that Switzerland works. Switzerland used to be German-dominated state with French minority and literally oppressed Ticino Italians that knew their place before the 1960s. It was a proper Germanic state. The average native Swiss is not rich. Banks, few individuals (many of whom are not native) and corporations are. Switzerland is everincreasingly socialist diverse shithole. nu/pol/ thinking Switzerland is good is part of the problem and a clear LARP. Full of Portuniggers, Albos, Serbroaches, Greeks and Itwlians. Naturalized several nogs and gooks by voting as early as 1980s. Could have been homogenous, but no. Now some fucking subhuman naturalized tamil (descent of toilet cleaners with australoid blood) lectures the native races about possible African infiltration while wearing the SVP badge.

youtube.com/watch?v=huLCqpOpnPQ

I went to SR Technic once, the person who showed the tour around was German and I grilled him on aircraft bypass ratios, I think I violated some Swiss unspoken diplomatic rule.
And yeah, high tech in conjunction with banking and historical companies are the reasons for your wealth.

Whats with Indians and quora? I was looking at how to get my mom to let me wear crop tops and every answer was from an Indian.

> naturalized tamil (descent of toilet cleaners with australoid blood
Thats where you are wrong , its african blood actually.

>The average native Swiss is not rich.

You're full of shit. That's is just not true. Income inequality in Switzerland is among the lowest in the world.

You've probably never been to Switzerland.

don't forget all the brazilians there

Vettel and Räikkönen live there

no it wasnt, some german was arrested for SPYING in germany for the swiss because they are interested how are the tax institution make their investigations

ie: how safe are they

fuck the swiss, bomb new analbania NOW

it's like Germany/Austria, but without the parasitic EU at its ass

they're more jewish than jews

>Income inequality in Switzerland is among the lowest in the world.
still the wealth distribution is black africa tier

>Actual democracy
Oh yeah, males only voting on raised hand count really made Switzerland the rich country it is now. Really, that's where wealth must come from. Not from the 1800 Billion euros of tax fraud entering Switzerland every year. Oh boy.

>Good work ethic
The fuck are you talking about?

that data is from 2000 though

what changed?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#/media/File:2014_Gini_Index_World_Map,_income_inequality_distribution_by_country_per_World_Bank.svg

One of the first industrialized countries. No serious involvement in any war since then.

>The Continental Blockade during the wars of Napoleon made importation and servicing of textile machines from Great Britain impossible. Therefore various textile factories in eastern Switzerland began constructing machines themselves: 1805 Escher, Wyss & Co. (Zurich), 1810 Johann Jacob Rieter & Co. (Winterthur).

His work was to found out how the german states bought stolen documents from swiss banks.

Because you know, buying something that was stolen is a crime here and in Germany.

how ironic, you fucking criminal state, you hide stolen money

I said wealth, not income.

youtube.com/watch?v=TNgjydq7wec

Ironic? Maybe, but a crime is a crime and it's in our intrest persecute those who steal.

Also why are you adressing me as if Im a country?

>a lot of super rich people in Switzerland don't give a shit about being rich and try to act as if they were another person
This is fairly common throughout the EU too. I know two multi-millionaires in my town who live in a simple apartment.

This is one of the most obvious answers to OP's question. It sounds boring, but the fact that Switzerland remained formally neutral throughout the World Wars pretty much guaranteed wealth to build up.

Switzerland is part of the European Single Market (aka abiding by its rules) but without the benefit of actually having a say in Parlement or the Council.

They are just jealous of us

t. Swiss in northern Italy for work

The real question is

Why is Massachusetts so rich?

No, we're just pissed off by your "we're better" attitude, while you didn't do shit by yourselves except hosting crime money. All the African war lords and dictators hid their gold in Switzerland, to start with the small.
In the end, you often prone "good samaritan" rationale, while you always secured your ass first without considering the global politics and people the least bit. Examples? Bourbaki army in 1871, "rescued" against gold and weapons. Jews in 1940-145 (except those were not rescued and left at the border. Maybe they had left their gold in Germany, those poor bastards). And again, the fact that you are a proud fiscal refuge against the humanitarians crises such unfair practices end up creating.

t. European in Switzerland for studies.

>a crime is a crime unless i do it

fuck off

Fuck off JUSO

You mean TAXachusetts?

Please go back to your shit country after you're done with HSG.

>Please go back to your shit country after you're done with HSG.

What makes you think I want to stay?

Money, lower taxes, better life quality than pretty much every other country in Europe with the possible exception of Norway and Luxembourg.

If it makes you feel any better, the rich in your country will just go somewhere else if they can't hide their money here.

We abolished the ''Bankgeheimnis'' so your arguement doesn't hold up anymore anyway.

I've been 5 years in Switzerland so far. If I stay another year, I'll kill myself. You mistake life quality with purchasing power and self-contempt, as those are the only two metrics showing Switzerland on top. I'm also aware that you'll be blind to this post, and continue living your sad life until the end, contempt. From observing the people here I add that if you've got a bit of brains, you'll drown in pot to forget how shitty life here is.

But the Swiss banks are still the intermediary, sending the capitals to other countries with low taxes. You're still the entry point of fraud money.

Why is life bad in Switzerland?

Good riddance to you then. Actually, I am quite critical of Switzerland as well, though due to other reasons: rising tax rates and flood of both immigrants and "refugees", hence I am skeptical about the future of Switzerland (actually of whole Europe).

However, my current liking to Switzerland does not stem from purchasing power and self-contempt. It stems from family and friends here, the fact that one is (relatively) safe on the streets, I have freedom of speech, Switzerland is centrally located in Europe and, above all, what Switzerland has to offer. Nice quaint cities? Go to Bern or Basel. Like a bigger city? Go to Zurich (Yes, I am aware it is no London/Berlin etc.). Like Mediterranean flair? Go to Ticino. Like French savoir-vivre? Go to Lavaux/Geneva/Montreux. Like nature, hiking, skiing, being out in the wild? Go to the mountains, we are literally surrounded by them.

And no, I don't do pot.

If you don't mind me asking: Where are you from?

>Switzerland is part of the European Single Market (aka abiding by its rules) but without the benefit of actually having a say in Parlement or the Council.

It's sad, people are cold and see non-Swiss like shit. Shops close at 5pm on a saturday, and couples form at highschool with the fixed mindset that you don't need love in life, but stability. So your colleagues will just be a bunch of autists that never met anyone and do cooking in the week end with their gf. At 22, as at 35. Same fucking shit. Then you can't raise children because the wage you need to pay the child takers are literally half of yours, so you end up with an autistic son and he's the only offspring you'll have if you don't want to go bankrupt (just kidding, usually I see 2 children families here, because it's stable. And apparently normal). It's all about appearance. If your highschool gf leaves you after 7 years, your whole family will actually harass her with "you ruined his life and mine -and my wedding-" messages every two days, because they strongly believe that if you stay as a couple, eventually things will work out eventhough there is no love. The valid rationale behind living in Switzerland is either: a) you're Swiss and don't know shit b) you lust for money -big mistake, it's easier to make a lot of money elsewhere, but idiots don't see that- c) you like the mountains (and that's the only good reason, according to me)

So, you were blind to the previous post :^)
How safe are you from the streets? Except if you live in a small mountain village (and I understand it's quite common here), if you live in the city, the streets are less safe than what I've seen elsewhere in Europe.
>Switzerland is centrally located in Europe and, above all, what Switzerland has to offer

But you don't travel, do you? Also, Switzerland only has to offer mountains. The city/history/French savoir faire or Mediterranean sea -kek- are better elsewhere.

First, let me dissect your first reply to the other post:

>Shops close at 5pm on a saturday
True, unfortunately. Although there are always the Coop Pronto/Avec/Migrolino stores that are open until later and also on Sunday. Valid point though.

> couples form at highschool with the fixed mindset that you don't need love in life, but stability
Complete bullshit. Let me say that as a 26 year old who just recently got out of a relationship: there is A LOT of opportunity to play the field. Yes there are the couples who form at highschool (for purely, naively romantic reasons though), but that's the minority, plus a lot of them break up eventually (though not all).

>Then you can't raise children because the wage you need to pay the child takers are literally half of yours, so you end up with an autistic son and he's the only offspring you'll have if you don't want to go bankrupt (just kidding, usually I see 2 children families here, because it's stable. And apparently normal).

-->what is child support, what is reduced health care rates for family ?!

>If your highschool gf leaves you after 7 years, your whole family will actually harass her with "you ruined his life and mine -and my wedding-" messages every two days, because they strongly believe that if you stay as a couple, eventually things will work out eventhough there is no love.

BULLSHIT

>you lust for money -big mistake, it's easier to make a lot of money elsewhere, but idiots don't see that

And where would that be, for example?

Now to your reply to my post:

> if you live in the city, the streets are less safe than what I've seen elsewhere in Europe

Of course you are safer in a little mountain village than in a city, that's the same all over the world.
And yes, unfortunately Switzerland is not as safe as it used to be, but I still feel A LOT safer on Swiss streets than on the streets in any other country in Europe. Hell, in which other European country can I stumble home at 3 AM, completely shitfaced, without even having to worry to get robbed/mugged even for a second? Could I do that in the banlieues of Paris? In a shady area of Rome? In some inner city suburb of London? I doubt it!

>But you don't travel, do you? Also, Switzerland only has to offer mountains. The city/history/French savoir faire or Mediterranean sea -kek- are better elsewhere

This year alone, I have been to 4 continents. And I have travelled Europe quite extensively before. Yes France/Italy/Greece are nice countries with nice flair and savoir-vivre, but would I want to live, work, pay taxes and be part of the society in any of the aforementioned countries? HELL NO.

I don't say Switzerland is star-spangled awesome, and yes we do have our fair share of problems and a lot of challenges awaiting us, and I can't rule out the possibility that I might leave this country for good at one point, but if I actually do I sure as hell won't move to any other Europen country (but rather US/Canada/Australia/NZ or perhaps the Gulf).

And you still haven't told us which country you are from. Judging by your attitude and nagging, I wanna say either Germany or France.

>BULLSHIT

Sure, I made it up

>And where would that be, for example?
Any country that actually produces wealth (pro hint: that's not Switzerland).
You can see that as the richest people on earth (yes, even the American Rotschilds) are not from Switzerland.

>Hell, in which other European country can I stumble home at 3 AM, completely shitfaced, without even having to worry to get robbed/mugged even for a second? Could I do that in the banlieues of Paris? In a shady area of Rome? In some inner city suburb of London? I doubt it!
I go home at any hour in London/Paris/Brussels/Berlin, without feeling half as threatened as Lausanne or Geneva at 3AM my friend. And the difference is here we're talking city center, not poor ghetto of world famous capitals.

But you haven't lived in any other European country. Why dismiss them? The american way of life is quite far from the Swiss one. If you want to go abroad, I hear Japan would be nice for Swiss people.

Okok I see, you fell for the "hurr durr Switzerland is just Nazi gold and black money meme". Fun fact: I once read that it is estimated that banking only produces anywhere between 3-21% (wide margin, I know) of Switzerland's GDP. The back bone of Swiss economy are actually SME. Plus don't forget all the companies such as Nestle, ABB plus all the pharma and medtech companies.

>You can see that as the richest people on earth (yes, even the American Rotschilds) are not from Switzerland.

That's the dumbest argument ever. So just because India has Mukesh Ambani, India is a rich country and all 1.3 billion Indians must be rich?

>I go home at any hour in London/Paris/Brussels/Berlin, without feeling half as threatened as Lausanne or Geneva at 3AM my friend. And the difference is here we're talking city center, not poor ghetto of world famous capitals.

OK admitted, I don't know Lausanne and Geneva too well and from what I have heard they do have a problem with crime, but it still is a vast difference compared to the cities you mentioned. Try to prove me wrong (with statistics).

>But you haven't lived in any other European country. Why dismiss them? The american way of life is quite far from the Swiss one. If you want to go abroad, I hear Japan would be nice for Swiss people.

Mate, you still haven't disclosed the country you are from, are you ashamed of it or what?
I haven't technically lived in any other European country but I have a lot of family in Germany (supposedly one of the best countries in Europe/EU and let me tell you that my life here in Switzerland is VASTLY better than theirs.

Also, Japan is a country that never stroke me as interesting. Weird society, high population density, almost impossible to learn language-no thank you. If I do go to SEA, I'd prolly prefer to go to Singapore or Hong Kong, maybe Thailand.

nazi gold

>Okok I see, you fell for the "hurr durr Switzerland is just Nazi gold and black money meme". Fun fact: I once read that it is estimated that banking only produces anywhere between 3-21% (wide margin, I know) of Switzerland's GDP. The back bone of Swiss economy are actually SME. Plus don't forget all the companies such as Nestle, ABB plus all the pharma and medtech companies.

Most of the wealth from tax fraud is undocumented. But even if we take your "high" estimate as my "low" (i.e. 21%, which is a lot), what mainly matters is when you have it. Because wealth needs to be itnegrated over time. Wealth at t0 matters not. Wealth between t0 and t1 matters. And this is not taken into account in your calculations. Also nazi gold is a reality, but I believe there was more dictators than just Hitler. Last estimate I saw was 1800 Billion Euros a year entering Switzerland "under the lights".

>That's the dumbest argument ever. So just because India has Mukesh Ambani, India is a rich country and all 1.3 billion Indians must be rich?
That's not what I said. What I said is that there is more money to be made in, for instance, India than in Switzerland. Prove me wrong.

>Try to prove me wrong (with statistics).
Are you that retarded? The highest the real crime rate, the lower the reported crime rate. You don't win an argument on that matter with statistics. Not public ones at least. My point is that if you feel safe in Switzerland's night life, you live in a city without nightlife. But that's good, night life sucks anyway.

>Mate, you still haven't disclosed the country you are from, are you ashamed of it or what?
I'm not ashamed of my country, but I won't disclose as long as it will only feed your ego. The real reason you'd like to know is so you can dismiss my arguments and criticism of Switzerland with the Swissest attitude in the book. That's also not rational, since I already claimed to be European, and you already dismissed all European countries anyway...

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So you should be contempt already with knowing that my country is going to be shit in your eyes. I don't really see a point in disclosing it.
Also because I feel you've missed my point a little. I never said Swiss (shorter to type) was shit. I said it's vastly hypocritical, and that life is boring. But it has nice features, which is a nuance I think you missed in my posts.

Germany is a country that does not care about its people. It's the country with the most poor people in Europe.

> Japan is a country that never stroke me as interesting
Now that's sad. (though the rest makes sense)

High taxes.
Tax haven until a few years back.

>I'm not ashamed of my country, but I won't disclose as long as it will only feed your ego.

t. Istanbul Turkroach

>What I said is that there is more money to be made in, for instance, India than in Switzerland

No one cares Mehmet, we're talking about normal people, not billionaires you moron.

>The highest the real crime rate, the lower the reported crime rate.

So South America has much less crime than Switzerland ? WTF is this logic ? It works only in 3rd world countries.

Also :
>Muh Nazi gold

Most of it is not redistributed so how does it matter ?

Holy shit you're salty. Did I hit some spot?

You are aware that Switzerland is bound to participate in the automatic exchange of information starting next year? Meaning the myth of Switzerland as tax haven will definitely disappear by then, for good. The notion that the Swiss economy exclusively consists of black money-laundering tax-evasion scheming shady bankers is completely false.

>The highest the real crime rate, the lower the reported crime rate. You don't win an argument on that matter with statistics. Not public ones at least. My point is that if you feel safe in Switzerland's night life, you live in a city without nightlife. But that's good, night life sucks anyway.

HURR DURR I don't have solid evidence for my claim and anyhow all statistics is fake news. OK.

>I'm not ashamed of my country, but I won't disclose as long as it will only feed your ego. The real reason you'd like to know is so you can dismiss my arguments and criticism of Switzerland with the Swissest attitude in the book. That's also not rational, since I already claimed to be European, and you already dismissed all European countries anyway...

It certainly is not about my ego, it is about me understanding what could possibly be better in your country than in Switzerland. Let's say you are an investment banker/finance major and from the UK: alright, I get that maybe working and living in London is more appealing to you than in Switzerland. Or let's say you work in the car industry and are from Germany-I get that it makes sense for you to work there then. But in literally any other position, I still believe that Switzerland is among the (if not THE) best countries in Europe.

> I said it's vastly hypocritical, and that life is boring. But it has nice features, which is a nuance I think you missed in my posts.

I actually agree with you, life in Switzerland can be considered boring, especially if compared to some big city in Europe/Asia/whatever. But there happen to be people (including yours truly) that actually don't care about living in some big fancy hipster city like Berlin etc. with 2000 clubs one can choose from to go to every night, but actually prefer to live in a stable, clean, nicely and efficiently organized, small country with great nature and outdoors.

>Germany is a country that does not care about its people. It's the country with the most poor people in Europe.

Most poor people as in poorest people or biggest amount of poor people? The latter is kinda self-explaining, given the fact that Germoney is also the country with the biggest population in the EU...

>Now that's sad. (though the rest makes sense)
Why? Maybe I prefer nature over culture and maybe there are simply other countries which interest me more than Japan. Just as there are people who are no interested in the US, there's no shame in that.

>High taxes
Define high? Among the lowest in Europe

YES. THIS.

Immigrants move to rich countries

High for population in general.
The taxes you have to pay for the goverment may be low, but the taxes on products is fucking high.

Things of first necessity like books, computers and even food are much higher in Stz than in Italy or Germany or evem, may Allah forgive me for writing this down, France!

What do you mean, VAT? It's currently 8% and will drop to 7.7% in 2018. Plus electronics are actually cheaper here than in Germoney or the US (actually aren't electronics/games etc.) ridiculously expensive in Brazil? Though I once read something along that line.

Books are expensive, yes, but thank God for Amazon. Computers aren't, and food depends on the type of food: meat tends to be expensive and so do fruits, stuff like spaghetti/bread etc. is actually relatively reasonable. Also keep in mind that literally nobody works for less than 3500 CHF a month, so you gotta put it into perspective-->BigMac index.


Exactly

>Hell, in which other European country can I stumble home at 3 AM, completely shitfaced, without even having to worry to get robbed/mugged even for a second?

Spain? But I lived on small cities.

>Be in Barcelona
>Get overrun by van driven by terrorist

Small cities may be different though, I'll give you that.

The chances of being overrun by a van are astronomically small, though. We have a very low homicide rate.

Sorry my dude but the thing about humble Swiss millionaires is not true. While some sensible people exist in CH most of the younger generation is hell bent on waving their golden dongs around on social media (fun fact the Swiss authorities often use Instagram as a point of evidence to prove tax fraud). The worst part is that its not just the rich but the middle class often buy a lot of stuff they cant afford to appear rich, since there is a lot of status involved in appearing rich as it is often important for social circles and career progression.

Dude if I want to do a PhD in Danemark, where should I go? Because the best universities are in Copenhagen but it looks expensive af. Is it better in Aarhus or some other city? (Or is it ok in Copenhagen maybe?)

Would you recommend?

Actually the nouveau riche Instagram clientele consists mostly of rich Russian/Arab/Balkan expats living in Switzerland, I have the impression. Probably quite a few middle class people buy unnecessary shit they don't need, but it is still not as bad as in the US.

most money in Swizertland comes from corruption, Fujimori , former Peru president and his crew have 8 billion usd from corruption saved in Swiss bank accounts.
Russian oligarchs's money is also in Swizertland, money from the authoritarian rich Saudis are also there.
african dictators and high officials of the chinese communist party too.

rare?

Hey bandaids, I need a little info

Dutch GF and I are planning to get married this coming February during an annual family trip to switzerland (Flims area). I've found all the specifics about how long documentation processing takes to be cleared for the license, getting things translated and certified etc but I was hoping anyone here would have experience with the legal process for a US and EU couple getting married in Switzerland.

Is there a need for an actual ceremony, or is it just a paperwork thing?
Does my gf need to get her passport updated to reflect the name change before we can head back to the US?
Do I need witnesses or any of that bs?

I just want to sign a form, then celebrate by bathing myself in fresh milk from one of the dispensers on the way back to the house.