since Sup Forums only hates communism/socialism/leftism because it pushes for ethnic diversity and multiculturalism, what do you think about it's economics? if the whole world was white would you approve of communism being established?
Since Sup Forums only hates communism/socialism/leftism because it pushes for ethnic diversity and multiculturalism...
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>if the whole world was white would you approve of communism being established?
No. Communism is a cancer, period. White, black, yellow, green or purple, communism is deliberately anti-intellectual, anti-freedom and basically anti-human.
only if there was 10,000 of us.
>communism is deliberately anti-intellectual, anti-freedom and basically anti-human
elaborate?
this
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It has never worked
It has been tried so many times and it never works
Headshot.
Nazism wasn't dissimilar to communism
you dumb chink, most of Sup Forums hates communism because its economic policies have only been effectively employed in the most totalitarian of governments because the process of collectivization and total governmental control of land and resources is the only way a whole country can become 'communist'
if something is shit in practice, then it must have a pretty shitty theory too, since it clearly didn't account for all the nuance of reality
what Sup Forums hates is that it's socially acceptable to walk around as a fat manchild with a CCCP shirt waving a crush capitalism sign, when communists have objectively killed many millions more than nazism, yet nazism is the absolute devil of ideologies because muh shoah
Preach, user
No, it is a cancer.
It might work as a way to have a mixed economy with a dictatorship. But the economic principles are even more fucked up then the Multiculturalism. Also not all communism is Multicultural. North Korea is almost Nazi tier.
this desu
>if something is shit in practice, then it must have a pretty shitty theory too, since it clearly didn't account for all the nuance of reality
what about the success of zapatista, rojava and catalonia? communism has worked without an authoritarian regime, and only collapsed because of outside forces
north korea abandoned communism way back in the 80s, their juche ideology is nothing communistic
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Shhh, pol thinks nazism is right wing
"...Sup Forums only hates evil and degeneracy because..."
Suuurrrrrrrrreeeeeeee.
Even if the whole world was white, communism would still require us to subscribe to the false premise of equality within the race. Just as intelligence and other cognitive characteristics vary between races, they also vary between social classes. The lower classes simply aren't equal to the upper classes, pretending that they are will lead to dysgenics and societal dysfunction.
>if the whole world was white
Then we would find other hierarchies again and Germanics would fight against Anglos, Anglos against Slavs, Ireland vs. England etc etc
Any kind of collectivism is cancer.
Collectivists societies tend to achieve little compared to others. Just look at how backwards the soviet union was. Literally 1920s-30s-40s engineering in so many areas, right up until the end of communism.
someone has to organize it. why do you clowns seem to forget this? Who really wants to own the means of production when its farm equipment? Do you want to be a farmer?
communism is essentially a two-class system that claims it destroys the class system when in effect it just kills off the middle class, i.e. the smart worker, the entrepreneur, the ambitious. psychopaths will always try to float to powerful positions so who's the bulwark against them?
>anti-freedom
>no private property
"How are these linked."
I want the /leftypol/ raids to stop
>zapatista, rojava and catalonia
Digging the bottom of the barrel. You're hoping that people don't know about you obscure examples.
Catalonia was fascist until Franco died. No one on pol would argue that Franco's spain was not a complete success.
So a communist on Sup Forums is trying to take credit for fascism. Fun , I didn't know Vietnam had jews
Communism is the ultimate expression of ignorant solipsism.
A person who believes in it does not possess enough empathy to understand why having all of your excess earnings taken away would kill all of their ambition.
It is a philosophy of a child: the expectation that other people are responsible for your food, shelter, and general success in life. Then you whine at the bourgeoisie instead of bearing any responsibility yourself when thing go wrong.
When you join the adult world and take responsibility for your own comfort and safety, you see how much work it takes to generate and income, and you grow a deep contempt for those that expect the same result with none of the effort.
Communism will only be possible if the means of production becomes automated through technology, and it still goes against the fundamental instinct of productive human beings.
It is the philosophy of the lazy Jew, who wants to generate his income on the backs of laborers while he connives in darkness.
Even interacting with the idea, and imagining it implemented on a society level disgusts me at a fundamental level. It makes me want to kill the imagined leeches for their entitlement and weakness, as they would be too worthless to defend themselves.
>if the whole world was white
yes if it was white anglos only
i think it's all the newbies from reddit
>It is the philosophy of the lazy Jew, who wants to generate his income on the backs of laborers while he connives in darkness.
This
fucking this, 6 gorillion times this
>anglo
>white
On an economic level communism and socialism alike destroy there own economy. In theory the systems seem good, but in practice people don't get rewarded for more work, which causes less work and money to be distributed. Everyone is at the same economic level in communism, and it is a low one.
Huh, didn't know Monroe was a Soviet fan.
I hate communism for everything it represents, but I understand some issues better thanks to communism
People should have all start their career from the same level. I believe that up to this point government should take care that if teenager want to study, it should be guaranteed, no matter how poor he is, as long he shows good skills
Then after education it should be totally free market, so people should be rewarded for what they achieve, not because they are breathing
There shouldn't be free handouts to lazy fucks, no more giving money - maybe just some help from state for first year and that's it.
People under communism don't value hard work, don't want to get better and state makes whole lot of bad investmensts. Also when it is full commie state - everybody gets the same wage it promotes view on the world that nothing fucking matters, there are no values etc and that people aren't free but dependent on a state
Not sustainable. It's extremly a-selective in everything it does and inefficient. It does away with reasons to actually work much less put in effort as it ultimatively doesn't matter.
Worse because it tends to be extremely centralized and bureaucratic it takes forever to do anything or achieve anything, coupled with a demotivated and desillusioned work force this leads to well, Soviet Union collapse.
The Chinese caught on and actually combined Communism with some weird brand of hyper Capitalism which seems an oxymoron and likely is extremly schizoid but so far somewhat works.
Also why isn't the girl in your pic a Viet one, no cute Viet communists that you need to post other communist ones?
Fuck this gay shit
>European
>White
>Mediterranian
>White
>Nordic
>White
>White
>....w-white
Shhh. No truth allowed.
>inb4 "if they were le so le great why did they le collapse from outside invasions?!!1!"
surgery? she looks even weirder than before
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That's bullshit and you know it.
It depends really, you need some form of "collectivism" and "we" in a society to make it hold together and work. Reasons for people to identify themselves with the society and group at large. Nationalism in a way is somewhat collectivist.
What is however cancer, is communist collectivism or socialist collectivism. Because it takes this collectivist attitude and adds huge ammounts of leftist ideology, bureaucracy, rampant wealth redistribution and so on and on. It's absolute and utter overkill that ends up crushing the people it's supposedly meant to benefit and their spirit.
>what is workers' self-management
>what are cooperatives
A FUCKING STAR
No. Go away pol pot
Not an argument.
It's economics fail every time.
That's why they push for all this social unrest. It's the only way to implement their economics. By distracting people.
Maybe there's a reason for that
It's an American English teacher
Pol Pot fought the Vietnamese - with some Western aid I might add.
>what is workers' self-management
meme
Without private property and the free market economic actors can't determine the value of goods and services. Literally, the market is the biggest accurate* broadcaster of information to those that would participate in it. Mises figured this out in the 1920's when he wrote Socialism. The next 70 years of history proved him correct, and the last 20 have been equally vindicating.
Welfare states *can* work temporarily in a highly homogenous society with the right cultural virtues, but they themselves will inevitably decline due to decadence and a lack of vigilance.
Doesn't work. They either elect someone who's making decisions for them or they will be bogged down in endless discussions, talks, negotiations and so on. It's one of the biggest problems communism faces in it's earliest stages when challenging another system and why it was repelled in Weimar.
They were so busy trying to find a consensus everyone agreed to, having their talks and discussions and trying to get everyone on board that their fighting forces were leader less, without command and crushed down in inactivity.
In a way communism in this regard emulates female group dynamics. Where usually you don't see a strong leader emerge but see the group constantly bicker, try to avoid leaving the group think, discuss things without every actually doing anything because they can never achieve true consensus and anyone speaking up would cause offense and put themselves above the others.
This only ends when someone through backstabbing and use of force moves themselves into power. From there on out, it turns into some kind of inferio fascism with communist tint but is at least capable of acting and reaching any kind of decision at all.
>not real communism
Nice meme.
:^) ;^)
Did you experience it for yourself? I've read up on it quite in depth. It's pretty interesting. People keep bringing these things up but they have never once worked because they actually seem to exclude basic principles of any working system. The way it emulates female group dynamics almost makes me think that the beard was fake and Karl Marx was actually Karlina Marx.
But hey, "People were just doing it wrong.".
>le not real communism meme
Nice meme.
North Korea the same as ANY communist country ever turned into a dictatorship for a reason. It was the ONLY WAY they could ever actually achieve anything. All attempts at communism have either turned out this way because it breaks the eternal stalemate you otherwise end up with or have been crushed by whomever people were trying to inflict it upon.
no u
All communists should be tortured
Lenin's theory laid the foundation for Stalin to turn Russia into a first world power going into the cold war at the middle of the 19th century
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BASED AUSSIE
BASED KRAUTS
BASED POLOCK
BASED AMERICANS
NEVER THOUGHT I'D SAY THIS BUT BASED CANADIAN
Whose that semen demon? Do we all get a share of her holes?
It's representative collectivism, where one guy "represents" your whole community, which is just an excuse for the ruling class to do immoral as fuck things as an individual and say "I'm representing muh group"
here's what i think
It is absolute retarded and degenerate. Capitalism, monarchy. and god all the way faggot
-bosnian inmigrant in Serbia
-anglos shitting on it
Yes the anti marxist propaganda is still alive
You're fucking retarded. Stalin and Hitler shared views on the authoritarian reach of their government, not on economics. Take your shitposting to another thread.
Not full on communism but probably some type of socialism. Capitalism will ultimately promote degeneracy and globalism. Migrants were brought to North America and Europe by the chamber of commerce types that wanted cheap labor, not just commies. Also, look how many businesses are supporting gay/tranny rights
Plus there is no reason anybody should have more than $10 million dollars. At that point, you're just being greedy have nothing productive to spend it on.
No, plundering Eastern Europe did. It's the way it managed to sustain itself also, for a time. Completely and utterly destroying Eastern Europe and plundering it of any riches it posessed prior.
When they started running out of things to plunder, the Soviet Union ended rather abruptly. Even now after all this time many Eastern European countries haven't fully recovered from this.
>mexican
>intellectual
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Why doesn't each of these workers make his own factory if he has such a great idea for how it should be run? You can take out a loan at any time.
What you're describing is Strasserism. All Totalitarianism is bad.
Market socialism would work well.
Communism and socialism has failed literally every time it has been implemented.
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Reporting in comrades
White genocide now!
Stalin is the reason why today's russia is powerfull and is able to airstrike terrorists in syria
Businesses monitor public opinion and go with whatever will bring in the most revenue. If the general American populace returned to being normal and not degenerative then the corporations would follow suit.
USSR gave more then it took from most eastern bloc countries
If it failed, germany would've conquered russia in a month
>If the general American populace returned to being normal and not degenerative then the corporations would follow suit.
why would they do that when the conglomerate type businesses are globalists themselves (in ideology)
It's the other way around. Corporations like Viacom(via MTV and other means) corrupted the youth so that they could get good favorability among other media corporations like the New York Times and People Magazine.
Media influences people, not the other way around.
desu I think communist economics can only possibly work if we had some super hi-tech that will let us generate unlimited resources.
Are you fucking dense or what ??? He said setting up communism as an "economic" institution not as a social one
EPBP
Communism has FAILED so many times, and if it even pulls through a bit, it always ends in the oppression and control of the working force/citizens. So guess what that means? No computer. No internet. No good food. No money. No free will. No expression.
We destroyed the berlin wall once.
We're not going to do it again.
you know Russians essentially threw men at them with borderline failing equipment right? I'm not a naziboo but if Russians weren't throwing like 8 soldiers at them for every German, it would have been much closer
Nazism was started as a far left economy and Hitler was mildly left. They weren't too dissimilar. Try picking up a basic history/ economics book before posting.
Post scarcity is key to communism
Except it doesn't. Lange was delusional. Market socialism can't work because the fundamental dysfunctions are still systematic. It just kicks the problems down to pricing manipulations and subsidies which eventually lead to major inefficiencies and flawed attempts to fix it... just like regular socialism. It's inherently wasteful and unnecessary.
Socialism failed. Give it up so people stop dying and suffering unnecessarily.
They were both leftist shitholes.
Depends on which form of communsim we are talking about Stalinism,Trotskyism,Titoism or the Anarchist variant ?????
vitun harri olli
>mfw
communism doesnt push leftism or multiculturalism. leftist who want communism push it but in practice the few examples of it dont.
look at any example of a communist nation what do you see? a homogeneous nation
Hi Suharto.
Most people can't afford that.
Ahahahaha, no. Fuck off communist.
Russia had a death to kill ratio of 20:1. With the Allies massively shipping in material, resources and supplies to keep them going. What ended up winning the war for them was overextension on their enemies part, the winter and massive aid from outside aswell as having people to piss away in the millions.
cancer because it allow people become soft and demand more communism/socialism/leftism and leads to war between people anyway
and if we would find aliens we would be fucked because how soft people would become, like mindless zombies with no spirit to do anything
>Socialism failed. Give it up so people stop dying and suffering unnecessarily.
*proceeds to bomb 3rd world people for sake of cheap oil and free trade*
National socialism is an authoritarian welfare state, communism is state ownership of the means of productions.
National socialism is the Nordic countries if you remove kebab, niggers, druggies, faggots and other degenerates.
They were transitioning away from the start of a communist revolution, of course he had to publicly be "left"
>always
>always
>always
Historical illiterate detected.