Is this Real Madrid team the best team ever?

Is this Real Madrid team the best team ever?
Is Ronaldo the best forward ever?
Is Ronaldo the best player ever?
Is Zidane the best coach ever?
How many of these can be simultaneously true?

no

sí señor

if it's so easy, why no one else does it?

Name a better team then.

>Is this Real Madrid team the best team ever?
No. 1955-1961 Real Madrid was the best ever.
>Is Ronaldo the best forward ever?
Yes
>Is Ronaldo the best player ever?
No
>Is Zidane the best coach ever?
Yes

>Is this Real Madrid team the best team ever?
No, even last year they had a better team with the stacked bench

>Is Ronaldo the best forward ever?
No, but in top 5

>Is Ronaldo the best player ever?
No but in top 10

>Is Zidane the best coach ever?
No, even talking about only currently active coaches Pep is better, give Zidane time though and he can maybe become the best.

Milan 94

>No, but in top 5
post 4 players with 100 CL goals

Not even best Milan

>lost 2 of 3 finals in 93-94-95

Exactly.

He didn't say "name the only team better".

RM are pretty bad in all-time terms.

>RM are pretty bad in all-time terms.
if they win a 3rd CL in a row they will be #1

>if
>not when

>Is Real Madrid the best team ever
No, Barca is but they are my #2 team.

>Is Ronaldo the best soccer player ever?
No, Beckham is but he's my #2 GOAT.
Any other remedial questions I can answer for ya, kid?

18+

None are true.

Call me salty but their first 2 Champions leagues were pretty dodgy, easy draws, cheating passed big teams, versing literal whos in the final.

I mean it's amazing what they've done and you can't deny Ronaldo is incredible because even if he scores all of his goals as tap ins, the other team still can't stop them from happening, but they don't seem to have the air of greatness that the treble winning Bayern/Barca teams had as an unstoppable force, king of the world. Instead they're like....the Champions League specialists who always seem to pull assy wins.

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m8 you cant compare 3 CL's in a row in the 2010s with some buttfuck era where a victory was worth 2 points and football players had physiques like Kenyan marathon runners and top tactics meant 2-2-6 formation.

1:
>Best ever
>Never ever winning a treble
Sorry, you can't just give a shit about CL and not compete for everything else and call yourself the best team ever. That "best team ever" (which was better last season) barely won la liga for 3 points and got cucked from copa del rey by part time goatfuckers.
2: Probably yes.
3: kek, no, but top 5.
4: Not really, again, no treble, 15 points behind, he has to be proven in longevity.

>3 in a row.
Calm the fuck down, they only have beaten a meme team with no neymar and heavily influenced by referee in the first match (offside in the penalty play, no penalty given for PSG). At least wait to semis.

Real Madrid last year

>1955-1961 Real Madrid was the best ever
The first European Cups were mickey mouse, basically worth one of today's Europas.

La gran mentira en la historia del fútbol y del deporte PENALDA, les dire a mis hijos que una vez un presidente corrupto de un equipo llamado real madrid compró a un tal cristiano Ronaldo que no servía para nada y tuvo que comprar al mejor aleman, al mejor de gales, al mejor croata del mundo y muchos buenos jugadores para que ese tal Mariconaldo pudiera triunfar porque no podía ganar un carajo con el mafiadrid. Y gracias al marketing y a la mafia de florentino ese Tronconaldo pudo tener varios premios (regalados) y el mafiadrid ganó varias copas (robadas).
Mister Satan Penaldo quedará en el olvido!

Juan, you're not wrong, Pedro.

>el mejor croata del mundo

Not even the best team in Spain
Not even the best Attacking player in La Liga
See above
Needs more time, and more success
Not a single one of those is true

Last year's Real was more stacked. Not the best team.

CR7 is the best player/forward.

Zidane is not the best coach ever.

The main good thing about Real is that they have players that do well in big games. I actually think they are more motivated for big CL games than La Liga

No they won't. They can't even win la liga more than 2 times in 9 years, which means they aren't even the best team in spain.

Bayern Münich 2012/13.

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Nobody has won 3CL in a row, faggot. In fact, nobody except Real Madrid has won 2 in a row.

If we include European Cup, then Real Madrid has won fucking 5(FIVE) in a row, the next bests being Bayern and Ajax with 3 in a row each

>most CL goals decides who the GOAT is

lol, Raul, Benzema and RVN make up the rest of the top 5 for christ sake. No one with a brain would put any of the 3 anywhere near a top 5, top 10 or even a top 20 forwards of all time list.

>not a single treble
>best team ever

hmm

>Calm the fuck down
but that was the whole point of that argument
>if Real wins 3rd in a row
can't you read?

>No one with a brain would put any of the 3 anywhere near a top 5
ofcourse, they didn't win 5 balloon doors

great post

>lmao liga
>copa del ayy

The best team ever should be able to win the CL AND these two meme leagues, don't you think?

The best team ever should also win back to back champions leagues aka be consistent for two seasons. Any shitter team can get lucky once but not twice.

>the best team ever only needs to demonstrate their superiority in a solitary seeded cup competition where they can finish second in a group of four teams, get drawn against trash and wing their way to the final with flukey wins

Hmmm.

Someone still had to win them (and they weren't British clubs).

No such thing as a best team ever.
Best club ever, perhaps, because you can go back and look at the club's history and achievements. "Best team ever" is dumb because no single team is the "same" for any extended period of time.

I know it's so easy yet nobody else does it hmmmmmm

not everyone gets to rig it in their favor
only madrid gets that special privilege

Juve did. Bayern, Man Utd, Milan, Ajax, Valencia too.

they don't even play good, dominant football

Just a bunch of good individuals who always have everything going their way in big games, be it calls or deflections, their opponents shitting the bed etc.

So the greatest team ever, presumably, is a team that always finishes in first place in their groups, wins every match without conceding any goals, and basically wins every competition they participate in? Good luck finding that.

>that flag
lmao sit own, kid.

when did those teams win two CL in a row in the current format?

I never mentioned winning. Please read the post you quoted again. Thanks.

I used to think like that, but it's undeniable 1) that RM aren't favoured, in fact they're mostly hated and a great majority of people would like them to lose; 2) just because it's irritating to you personally doesn't mean they don't deserve it; 3) they take the chances presented to them and convert them into trophies, what more can you ask from a champion? Face it, they are winners. As much as it pains me to say this about a club with players like Sergio Ramos.

No.

>in fact they're mostly hated and a great majority of people would like them to lose;
Except the officials.

I will never stop OH NO NO NO posting when Man City beat Real Madrid to win this year's Champions League. It will be glorious

Ok then.
Just accept that Real Madrid, a club that I personally despise, is the greatest club in the world and that they always rise to the occasion when it comes to European football. In 1998 I thought they would be dismantled by Juventus in the final. What did they do after decades of not winning the European Cup? Since then, they've been in 6 finals and won them all (if I'm not mistaken). It can't be just luck and refball. There's not enough people in the world supporting them for that to happen.

Yeah, because nobody else can afford to pay the officials. And it's so favourable for officials to just favour Ream Madrid every year. It would be massively unpopular for Barcelona to win the Champions League, as they've done multiple times in the past few years. Sure.

Fuck off.

>Real Madrid, a club that I personally despise
>is the greatest club in the world

Real Madrid can pay more, like when they paid off Spanish officials to clear their denbts in the early 00s.

It's perfectly possible.
In fact, I think it's very likely.
But in the end, City will have 1 Champions League, 11 adrift of Real Madrid. And the argument that Madrid always wins or are always favoured won't stick anymore, innit.

It's called being realistic.
The stats don't lie.
Let's say my favourite player is Agassi. Will I insist that Agassi is greater than Federer or Nadal? Come on.

It's called being biased. You seem awfully keen to defend a club you supposedly despise.

If that's true, then they should always win.
Unless City can pay more, right?
You have no argument at all.

It's actually the opposite of being biased.
Bias is saying your favourite is the best no matter what, and against evidence.

No it's bias.
We can see straight through your "I despise Real Madrid" bollocks, lad.

>then they should always win.
When it matters.

Benfica fan here.
I naturally despise Real Madrid.
No denying it's the greatest club in the world in terms of achievements.
Try again.

They don't always win.
They just win a lot more than the others.
Like Federer.

>Benfica fan here

>They don't always win.
True, just when it matters, like I just said.

Yes, like Federer.
Like I said.

You don't have a leg to stand on because you lost the argument.
Meme away, it won't change the fact that you can be a fan of a football club and still acknowledge that another club is the greatest in terms of achievements.

I'm not talking about Federer. I'm talking about Real Madrid and the bent officials.

Do you understand this?

What argument? That you're so obviously a Real Madrid fan despite your protestations?

Produce evidence.
Otherwise it's like saying Federer is doping or paying the officials.

>Federer is doping
This is true.

I think we're done here.

>he truly believes federer is clean

No, I'm just glad you walked into the trap.
>produced no evidence
>to be the greatest you have to dope
>so only the greatest dopes
>or perhaps they all dope and he's still the greatest

Extrapolate that to cycling or to Real Madrid and their supposed bribing of officials. You either have to believe 1) that only one team (out of hundreds) cheats, 2) that they all cheat and the best team still comes out on top. Without producing any evidence, you're still dismantling your own argument.

>i-it's all clean and above board, n-no cheating here

>actually believing PEDerer is clean

OH NON NON NON

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>rating the baloon door
It lost its credibility when Messi won in 2010 and Ronaldo in 2013

m8 there are no foreign team bandwagoners in Portulel, we only bandwagon the big 2+1

>Is this Real Madrid team the best team ever?
no
>Is Ronaldo the best forward ever?
i'd say he's the best target man ever
>Is Ronaldo the best player ever?
regarding the CL, yes, generally no
>Is Zidane the best coach ever?
way too early

No
Yes
Yes
No
2 I guess?

>No, Beckham is but he's my #2 GOAT.
Nice bait

Exactly.
I stand by those words.
Do you not agree?

Best coach ever

yes
yes
he is the best in modern era football, maybe the best ever
no
all could be simultaneously true, but zidane will never be the best manager ever so that will not happen

Nigga, if they don't win the league and domestic cup they aren't even that consistent in the SAME fucking season.

>If it is in another format it doesn't count anymore
Stop being retarded pls.
Let's talk about trebles, not many teams have those either.

70s brazil, Bayern and Ajax.
80s Liverpool
Sachis Milan
50s to 60s real madrid

>where they can finish second in a group of four teams
Teams who finish second have a much harder run than their counterparts

>get drawn against trash and wing their way to the final with flukey wins
I'm sick of this argument. You may fluke your way to a final, by using the "easy draft" argument. But you have to win the final against the winner of the other side of the bracket who is supposedly a "much stronger" team. There are no flukes in knockout tournaments

I think it's quite the opposite. In knockout tournaments there's the most flukey wins

>Teams who finish second have a much harder run than their counterparts
Not really. And that's not the point.

>There are no flukes in knockout tournaments
Lmao. How naive.