>The Ottoman Empire murdered 50 million Orthodox Christians
>The holocaust is regarded to be the single worst atrocity of the 20th century
I'm not a holocaust denier, but the amount of Jews killed by Hitler is a drop in the ocean compared to the number of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians that the Young Turks killed.
You all probably think "le jewz are behind this!" but there's got to be other reasons. Surely the West would be more shocked by Christians being slaughtered than Jews.
Don't be silly. Muslims are just victims of white European oppression. They did it because they were oppressed by the white man. Try to understand and check your privilege.
Well, I don't think turks see themselves as "eastern" people. Maybe an extension of Europe, but not eastern at all.
Also, they didn't slaughtered them because they were christians, but because they were loud minorities in the region. Turks don't give a fuck about that as far as I know.
This
Give the people a civil war and some hurka durka atrocities thrown at each other and the majority will kill and dispose of the minorities.
The christians would have done the same they were the majority. Heck any fucking majority would have silenced a 'too loud minority' if the circumstances were right.
Hello toothpaste Turk. We meet again.
Just stop with the muslim apologism.
Just stop please.
>turks
>extension of europe
Lolno
Not really. Sounds like turkroach apology
Okay, time to go home now Mehmet, Erdogan is waiting for you.
50 million Christians killed by turks
20 million Christians killed by Soviet Jews
who cares, muh 6 gorillion jews were killed....maybe!
I am not armenian genocide denier but you westerners have no idea the reasons of it. Ottomans rules over christians more than 500 years yet all of minorities didnt lost their culture, language, religion.
Most of you idiots thinks al things are just muslims are being muslim. Hell no. We would slaughter them 500 years ago if we really wanted to destroy their religion.
i doubt there was 50 million Christians in that part of the world
Right. Because using logic makes me a Turk.
never change Sup Forums
Minorities had to pay jizya and couldn't access higher positions in the public administration unless personally appointed by the sultan for special roles. Minorities thrived thanks to trade and they were a cash cow because of the jizya. When mediterranean trade completely faded away, the turks disposed of the minorities with violence and mass killings, both by government and by civilians. The turks really have a sad history of psychopathy.
Muslim apologism? What the fuck are you talking about.
The ones in charge giving orders were anything but muslim and only dreamed of a 'great hurrrr Turan Empire' Islam and Nationalism don't go hand in hand. The masses that retaliated against Armenian and other Christian minorities were just butthurt because Armenia sided with Russia and France against the Ottomans and the other Christians saw the collapse of an empire and wanted independence.
This is also partly untrue. If you have ever read history, you wouldn't disagree with the fact that Armenians had more freedom under Ottoman rule than under Byzantine rule. As a matter of fact, under Byzantine rule the Armenian Orthodox Church was considered heretical.
There are numerous reasons for criticising the Ottomans but at least come with facts and don't be a fucking pseudo-historian.
>Islam and nationalism don't go hand in hand
You underestimate the very low Muslim IQ and the consequent logical inconsistencies. Erdogan is promoting a Turkish state sponsored radical Islam right now, even if Islam is a 'ummah' thing. SA has this funny oxymoron too.
>the masses retaliated
this sounds like apologism
remember Allah is a pig. Can you repeat after me? Allah is a pig.
>When mediterranean trade completely faded away, the turks disposed of the minorities with violence and mass killings
(citation needed)
Nigga there wasnt any killing before they wanted to create their own state. I dont blame them for what they want.
>Minorities had to pay jizya
They were exempted from army in return. The funny thing is that in 1856 western nations pressured to abolish jizya. Ottomans did what they want. But minorities get so fucking angry 'cause they would no more be exempted from military service.
>couldn't access higher positions in the public administration unless personally appointed by the sultan for special roles.
So muslims could access higher positions in 16th century in Habsburg Empire. Look at how Spaniards removed kebab when they conquered muslim land. Ottomans never would same thing. Minorities had less right yet they could live and get rich.
>The turks really have a sad history of psychopathy.
>Unironically comes from a German.
>tfw Ataturk was a jew
>tfw genocided millions
the ironings
Symapthising with Turks and their motives means you must be a Turk. No one likes turks besides other roaches.
Kanker op, Mehmet.
>(citation needed)
Well, I learned this at school. It was not a direct consequence. The end of the cash cow phenomenon meant less money for the state. Less money for the state meant angrier people. The government found the scapegoat in minorities, their old cash cows.
>nigga
why muslims talk like niggers in english I don't know
>They were exempted from army in return. The funny thing is that in 1856 western nations pressured to abolish jizya. Ottomans did what they want. But minorities get so fucking angry 'cause they would no more be exempted from military service.
This agrees with the fact that minorities were no more a cash cow. This proves my point.
>So muslims could access higher positions in 16th century in Habsburg Empire
Whataboutery. You're talking about other things. This is not a point.
Turks really are stupid.
>You underestimate the very low Muslim IQ and the consequent logical inconsistencies. Erdogan is promoting a Turkish state sponsored radical Islam right now, even if Islam is a 'ummah' thing. SA has this funny oxymoron too.
Then how come the average conservative Turk is very opposed to ISIS and against a caliphate? Will you blame all the people of a country because they have a shit leader, because they are being fooled? Isn't your job feeling sorry for them? Just because the penitentiaries in your country are filled with Turks and failed to integrate does not give you any basis to criticise Turks in Turkey.
There other reasons why you can criticise them, such as denying a genocide or their radical policy regarding press.
Also, don't include Wahabbism/Jihadism/Salafism because that fucking retarded ideology is in a league of its own.
>remember Allah is a pig
This proves my point on how retarded the majority on Sup Forums is. Meme-tier arguments and insults coming from complex emotional experiences and brainwashing.
reading the history of the Ottoman Empire is more than enough to dispel the myth of Muslim victimhood.
Rather a Turk than an inbred kanker tokkie then.
>het gewoon toegeven
Knew I was right. Go protest in the center of R'dam in support of Erdogan some more, why dont you.
Please talk to everyone about the things you have no idea. Your idiocy would entertain more people.
I don't mind turks. I didn't know those people were christians, and I don't care. If they want an islamic state then fine. That's their right, as a sovereign country. So long as they stay out of mine, and out of europe, and we stay out of theirs, it'll be fine.
Seriously, if they could just drop the charade and go all out sharia, which is what they want, then it'll make things so much easier. Just continue to trade, and be respectful, like decent people. Each in their own place.
We will eventually get back to normal relations. This multi culturalist globalist shit is the problem. When that goes, so will the animosity.
Sure. I will and I will break your country down and profit from social utilities. I will also make sure to have 10 children and educate all of them to have 10 children as well. So we can take over this country.
This is actually what you believe and what you are afraid of.
>Isn't your job feeling sorry for them?
No. Revolution is a collective right of the people. Turks failed to revolt. Their lives are more important to themselves than their nation, than their children. They deserve whatever comes.
Brownies can't commit genocide because genocide is power + privilege
>This is actually what you believe
Because its what Turks and Mocros do. This isnt some crazy conspiracy, it's what they have been doing. We can fucking measure it.
We already have Muslims mayors of major cities. The Quran is in our parliament, alongside the bible.
Tell me how Islam isnt taking over this country, you dumb roach?
I think the Turk took this round.
Ottoman's had a decent history of religious liberty. It would limit you greatly in legal and civil society, but you could openly practice, maintain places of worship, etc.
How will people revolt when they don't know better. Revolution may be a collective right but is not always beneficial. Look what happened to France. The French used to be masculine warriors, praiseworthy. And now they are a feminized country, getting cucked by ISIS/Jihadists.
And we used to rule the seas. Not like we're doing better than France.
>Will you blame all
I won't lol. Why you say this?
Anyway Erdogan is a direct expression of democracy in Turkey. He represents Turkey because the majority of Turks support him and his policies. This makes me think that the average Turk actually doesn't oppose ISIS in its entirety and he's a religious nutjob. I understand you're part of a progressive turkey. You write in proper english. You're not the average Turk, but you have to accept that your people suck pretty bad. On average, the Turk is no better than an arab.
>Meme-tier arguments and insults
it was just a way to find out if you really were the turk. It's you. You're getting better. Someday you will despise your former country in its entirety and finlly embrace your true heritage. Look at your skin.
This argument is continuously being over-used by extreme right-wing much Dutch pride.
But in the meanwhile they are promoting homo-sexuality, LGBT, individualistic-capitalism and feminism.
How the fuck can you blame Islam, the greying of the Native Dutch population, when it's the white man that is individualistic as fuck and rather has his ass fucked than make children and save the future of this country?
Tell me user please.
>The French used to be masculine warriors, praiseworthy. And now they are a feminized country, getting cucked by ISIS/Jihadists.
Prolonged peace does that to a people. Notice how it is only peoples who haven't had to deal with mass poverty or internal war for 2-3 generations that are becoming cucked. French general population may be cucks but talk to their SF. They're pretty intense. Continued ISIS attacks combined with a crippling youth unemployment rate is slowly reawakening France.
Bad times make strong people
Strong people make good times
Good times make weak people
Weak people make bad times
The vicious cycle of civilizations.
Who cares. That was not the point of the discussion. You low concentration burger got mind-slided by a slimy turk. Feel ashamed.
We need to reduce birthrates anyway, retard. We dont need so many people, we have automatisation now.
We dont save our country (or the world) by making more people than the Sandniggers, while letting the sandniggers breed. No sandniggers in Europe anymore, and our issues are solved.
>muh extreme right
Maybe Reddit is more your speed. This board is for the extreme right.
>implying the Netherlands even have a far right
PVV are a bunch of jew loving socialists. The only thing they got right is the anti-Islam stance.
>m-muh nazi did nothing wrong
He destroyed you in that exchange. You didn't make one good point. Then when he asked you to back up the only one with any punch, you couldn't. Insults aren't an argument.
I think you're the american muslim who lurks here.
Write that allah is a pig, please. This proves if you're the muslim.
funny thing is, the jews had an almost equal part in it. Soviet russia, fresh off bolshevik takeover, sent a 20,000 strong military alongside 60-80000 strong turk military against a 20000 strong armenian military.
Turks took the valuable parts of anatolia and bolsheviks sovietized the remainder of armenia under the guise of "humanitarianism"
>The Ottoman Empire murdered 50 million Orthodox Christians
You're retarded
>We need to reduce birthrates
You have 0 knowledge of economics and let alone understand the complexity of issues regarding shifting demographics.
How the fuck are we going to pay for pension funds when there are no new children being born? North-Africans don't count because they are not part of the workforce and Turks are known for Tax-evasion.
So when you reach the age of 70, you retire and you will receive shit for having worked all your life.
Automatisation doesn't mean a thing. What this country needs is to stop going full retard and to prevent highly educated individuals from fleeing the country.
If they fail, this country will go full retard like you said and Achmed will continue the drug trade and there will be no engineers for automatisation.
Spotted the roach
Die in a ditch, kanker
>Surely the West would be more shocked by Christians being slaughtered than Jews.
not really see the communist purge in Russia by the Bolsheviks
Have you actually read my post?
I would prefer the Turks to rule over the Arabs. I would also prefer the Persians rule over the Arabs.
Idc what religion people are. The Arabs are producing an out sized portion of the extremists and radicals. The Persians and Turks have been historically more reasonable imo.
Change to a more moderate govt in Iran and I like the chances. Turkey's already in NATO.
I think you're living a real existential crisis. You are a Turk and you fiercely defend your retarded fellows, but you acknowledge they're somehow retarded and infantile, almost defenceless like beaten babies in front of Erdogan. This really hurts you.
Please, keep in mind that you are not your people. You is you. I think you will become a good Dutch man once you will abandon Turkey once and for all.
>You have 0 knowledge of economics
I have a degree in it and do day trading as a hobby. Try again, dumbass.
I know how it works, I fundamentally disagree with it however. More people so we have more units to burden with debt? Not workable. All this debt will crush us eventually.
>pension funds
Oh look, a socialist trying to steal my money. As per usual. How about we abolish mandatory pension funds? How about you be responsible and save your own money, instead of forcing me to pay for your lazyness?
I work 70 hours a week. Half my work goes to taxes and pensions in the end, to pay for the lazy and unemployed.
If you reach age 70 and need state regulated pensions, you should fucking die. Good god man, how have you not saved a couple hundred k by then?
Go cry to daddy state to help you some more, godvergete uitkerinstrekker. You realize socialist shit like pension funds is what attracts all the niggers and muslims here? We need to get rid of it.
I am not Turkish.
>Automatisation doesn't mean a thing.
It does though. It has the potential to stifle the need for mass immigration altogether. As more and more of the workforce becomes automatized, particularly the service industries, you honestly don't need as many people to maintain productivity. You can have a population plateau or lessen its growth with fewer consequences and maybe with benefits. Slower birth rates with a maintained high productivity could provide for better social planning, less pollution, and better resource allocation.
>Jews Plotted The Armenian Holocaust
realjewnews.com
>Why won’t Israel acknowledge the Armenian Genocide?
themillenniumreport.com
>Ataturk Was Doenmeh Zionist Jew
atajew.com
>The Jewish Genocide of Armenian Christians
jrbooksonline.com
What are you then. Don't tell me you're Dutch because you're clearly not. Who are you?
>What mass murder??
>>turks
>>extension of europe
>Lolno
They really are though. West Turkey is more Greek than anything and you see plenty of fair skinned, European look people there.
>>turks
>>extension of europe
>Lolno
They really are though. West Turkey is more Greek than anything and you see plenty of fair skinned, European looking people there.
You are contradicting yourself.
>Pay tax for people's pension funds
>Save money for own pension funds
>Reach age of 70
>Receive shit from all the years you've served and use the money you've saved yourself
>You realize socialist shit like pension funds is what attracts all the niggers and muslims here? We need to get rid of it.
How is removing this going to solve the problem? A better option is to exempt people from this right that have never worked and to abolish 'uitkering' and to force people to work and not to punish the hard working man.
50 million? Really?
Retard
I am not going to disagree you are right.
But you forget the variable in the math which is time.
Do you think rapid greying of population and decline of a population is good in general? It is not. In the long long run maybe, but in the short run, our generation is fucked and will have to suffer from a crisis.
Except he is using facts...you got any sources????
Also
>just because oppression A was worse, oppression B is nit oppression...you are fucking stupid.
>killing christians
>bad
oh you
>Praises humour
>Sees German flag
>Unsure if serious or humour
>Turkey
You dont understand how our collective pension system works, clearly. You dont receive what you pay into it. Not even every euro you pay, you get back. At best 81% of what you payed into it (based on current figures).
You dont pay tax over pension contributions until you retire and you start receiving it.
>wants mandatory pensions
>thinks its weird people dont receive what they pay into it
So abolish it and let people keep their own money, so they can save or invest themselves. its not like the government should just keep that money regardless, when you abolish pensions.
Pensions are not a right either. They are forced on you. You cannot be exempt from it. You are forced to contribute if you work. And you will never get the full amount of that money back under the current system.
Go be a socialist somewhere else. Maybe North Korea is your ideal state, it really isnt mine.
Google it.
'Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople'
Fair enough.
I'm a Tatar, not from Turkey.
Go read a history book instead of asking for sources idiot. If you learn history from Sup Forums memes you would just stay as ignorant as your redneck parents are
Ottomans were shit but they were tolerant to people they governed. Minorities paid jizya tax so they avoided military service (dying in battles you don't have any place in or paying shekels? you tell me which one is better), they were free to practice their religion as they wish and they could rise up even in government (most of the palace/court staff were non-ottomans)
Ignorant bantz just fucking suck and make you look like complete retards.
I had to defend ottomans even though I fucking hate them, fuck you you fucking underage edgy little shits
Why bother?
What you are, is a non-white, non-Dutch invader. You need to fuck off, mate. What are you even doing on Sup Forums? What are you doing in my country other than stealing and claiming benefits? Go benefit your own people if you have any skills.
We want our countries back. Europe for Europeans. Go be a Tatar in Asia.
Nigga stop being a defeatist. The west is at most 2 generations away from mass automation. When it hits there will be riots in every nation that failed to prepare for it. Politicians know this. They don't want to take the political hit that comes with saying "ok that's enough sandniggers" or "we need to restructure the welfare system." Call them out. Get others to call them out.
Subvert liberalism. They are the mainstream now. We are the counterculture. Point out that teaching niggers how to fix their own shit in their own countries will lead to less famine, poverty, and war.
Point out that the refugees have to be sent back. If our welfare systems are endangered by an aging population, how endangered is theirs if all their young left. Say the west is stealing the African youth to maintain its own economic dominance over the poor black man at the expense of the white working class. Libs love that shit.
One day the history books will speak of the day Trump and Putin ally in a crusade against global jihad and your Country's land space will once again be filled with Christian people. Amen.
Maybe then you would contribute with some qualitative information instead of showing us your edge.
>we
The turkroach your responding to has nothing to do with the Dutch (besides currently leeching off them).
Fuck off faggot, my grandfather came here in the 50's. I am the 4th generation here and have a single passport. I am a university graduate and have contributed more to 'your country' than your average Jantje or Pietje. All my family members work and are in the same shit as you.
You're an edgy little cunt and probably suffer from post-trauma.
Sorry but i lol'd. I wish you luck. I hope one day you will call yourself Dutch and European only, and you will reject your Turkic fellows 8all of them), and their sad, very sad history.
Ottomans were oppressive barbarians. No jizya meant you lost protection. Imagine if not paying taxes would get your family killed and raped because you lose the right to exist and pray to you god?
Remove kebab back to kebab lands!
Progroms coming soon!
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>living in a video game
Yeah because other empires at that time was like "oh so you can't pay tax again conquered minority? no biggie, you'll pay them later *chuckles*"
And I'm being generous by implying that other countries at the time would let minorities live at all
Stop being so fucking stupid please
Woah. is this... the tru power of theTukr???,?
Who cares whether you work or not? You are still non-Dutch. You are a subversive. This country is not for you.
Might as well pack this whole nation state business in if the nation doesnt represent an ethnicity. Just go full EU and federal Europe. What would even be the point of a multicultural nation state? States exist to protect the interests and security of a single people. To protect their survival. You are a fifth columnist.
Multicultural nation states result in shit like Brazil or the USA. Countries with no identity, where supreme egoism rules, where no one has an identity, where the state is merely a self serving corrupt Organ because it has no real purpose.
Go be a Tartar in a Tartar country.
Why are you talking about other countries?
lad. This was powerful. I think the turk(ic) is crying.
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fuck off mudslime, get the fuck out of Europe swine
>who cares whether you work or not
holy shit you just went full retard
>What are you doing in my country other than stealing and claiming benefits?
>godvergete uitkerinstrekker.
You're right, I would like it more to talk about your mother to be honest.
How is she? She didn't miss her period since last time i visited your house did she?
I think your brain just melted.
When will you subhuman niggers understand that whataboutery is NOT an argument ffs.
Mohammed was a sick pig. He died in his vomit, poisoned by his child bride. Allah is a dog.
Sure, I care that people work. But that applies to lazy Dutchmen.
Did you read the rest of it? If economics were really all that matters, then I repeat: why not hand all power to the EU, let megacorporations rule over us, and hell, why not let only people with property vote?
Because nations exist for their people. You are not one of our people. You are just some foreign fag busily engaged in turning us into Brazil.
>You are not one of our people. You are just some foreign fag busily engaged in turning us into Brazil.
Pretty much this.
The tartar untermensch should hang himself.
Sure, I care that people work. But that applies to lazy Dutchmen.
Tell a Serb he is a victim and he will probably slap you with a closed fist. It is very un-Serbian to call yourself a victim, you wont find Serbs ever playing the victim card even tho Serbian people were enslaved thrice as long as niggers...
Why should I care whether you work or not? At best you are stealing one of my countrymen's jobs.
And then you have the gall to complain about brain drain. Yeah buddy, maybe they wouldnt be leaving the country so much if foreigners like you werent taking up jobs.
>they stealing muhh jobs
>has MBO degree
>thinks every turk is a muslim
I know you're upset at turks because your first generation """"german"""" father is nowhere to be found and you had to grow up without a father but those insults are ineffective since I'm not a muslim
Why don't you try these insults against your fellow turkish-german citizens? Oh wait you can't do that because you are a fucking kraut. You are a product of the cuck genes left after all the based germans died in WW2.
The whole reason Netherlands is a good country is because it is full of Dutch people, not turks or tatars or whatever the fuck you are..
I have a degree in economics. I have a job, two in fact, because I am a Calvinist who believes one should work oneself to death.
I have empathy for my people, a trait you evidently lack. I dont like it when my people are forced into unemployment REGARDLESS of their level of education. MBO, HBO, University, Uneducated. I will always place a Dutchman above a foreigner. They should have priority for jobs in this country. It is their country after all. Its the reason this country exists: to ensure the protection and safety of the Dutch.
What else is the fucking point of a nation state?
>inb4 more outdated reaction images
Based Serbia, I know you want to join but i got this.
Guys, please. If I were him I would have already skinned myself alive because of this thread. The tatar is probably already ashamed of being tatar. This thread is salt in the wound.
I really hope he won't kill himself and will self deport somewhere in central asia.
Hell, his family kept being subhuman tatar since the 50s. Integration my ass.
>a 'non-muslim' defended the ottoman empire like it was his most precious thing, and got offended raw
>'non-muslim'
nice deception mehmet. I don't believe you. Any non muslim who even defends the ottomans is either a self hating faggot or a retard.