Genius level engineering without training

>genius level engineering without training
>knows the Millennium Falcon better after 5 minutes than Han Solo after years
>can fly better than professional pilots a ship she never flew before - beats them all despite being outnumbered and outgunned
>learns the force out of thin air in seconds
>beats the most powerful Sith seen on screen so far while having zero training - a guy who was trained literally since birth

Even the episodes 1-3 were legions better, because they stayed true to the logic of the universe and some common sense there. There are so many dumb things with the Farce Awakens that Mary Sue is just the icing on the top. And no - it is not sexism you stupid brainwashed feminist idiot.

who's to say she hasn't been trained before? she could easily have been mind wiped, and it's not uncommon for memories to spontaneously reform in the star wars universe.

You guy just can't accept a woman is the hero in your man babie series

Yes. She is a poorly written and acted character who hurts her film. Finn should have been the main character. Why not get more black people into Star Wars? Why is Disney so racist?

At 4? Say it with me, she's a broken, horribly broken, Mary Sue. Say it again, she's a horribly, Terribly, impossibly broken, Mary Sue! Once more, She's a broken, terribly broken, Incredibly broken, Mary sue!

I'm sorry darling but there's simply no male equivalent to ms Mary Sue. you can lie of course and pull lies from your bread oven all you like, and you still would be incapable of proving her to be anything else other than a mary sue.
A long Kiss Goodnight has a more believable kick ass woman than ms maRey Sue, as do Salt, Mr and Mrs Smith, Wanted, Okay, maybe not Wanted. That and Mrs Smith is kind of ridiculous but that's the point, yes? Kill Bill's star, Beatrix Kiddo is more believable than your horrible mary sue.

>Say it with me, she's a broken, horribly broken, Mary Sue. Say it again, she's a horribly, Terribly, impossibly broken, Mary Sue! Once more, She's a broken, terribly broken, Incredibly broken, Mary sue!
t. want to be donald trump

She's a broken, terribly broken, amazingly broken, Mary Sue. She's a busted off the rails broken, ridiculously broken, Mary Sue. she's literally a god on film personified. The only male character you could even begin to compare her to, is One Punch Man, but that's supposed to be comedic and light hearted. She's literally Last Action Hero, but in a horribly put together star wars fan made film, written by a 12 year old girl.

Alright.

I woudlnt have cared if she had been like a Mary Sue type Han Solo character and Finn the jedi. Her being the Jedi kind of makes me ask: "Why are there other characters at all?"

She can fly better than Finn/Poe. Shes a better fighter than Finn/Poe. She escapes prison without help.

So again, why did they even write other characters? They add NOTHING to the overall plot, or even utility.

>Gets to chew on the biggest dick in the galaxy

Finn is comic relief and Poe is for the "I watch Star Wars for the X-Wing dogfights" crowd.

Exactly, they have no plot purpose at all. They are clowns there for your amusement, not important to the actual story at all. That is bad fucking writing.

Im obviously not going to pay money to see the next one, but I honestly want to ask you this:

>What can Luke Skywalker even teach her?

Shes already a better Jedi than Luke ever was.

Kylo Ren would have won if he calmed down.

He's wrong about himself. Every time he does something awesome with the Force, it's when he's calm. Every time he's beaten, it's when he's emotional.

What you are seeing does look like a an unearned victory by Rei (and it mostly IS), but it's more that it's a character flaw of Kylo Ren that is going to be explored full on in the sequel.

>genius level engineering
What?

>genius level engineering without training

She has implied training in the sense that she was a scavenger that knew how to identify specific pieces of advanced technology, clean it / repair it for sale, and assisted in repairs on the Millennium Falcon.

>knows the Millennium Falcon better after 5 minutes than Han Solo after years

Again it was owned by Unkar Plot who was Rey's foster parent for lack of a better term. She says in the movie that she's been in the ship before and constantly talks about how she tried to tell Mr. Plot that the compressor was a bad idea further implying that she knew what a compressor did, how it would interact with the falcon's systems and why it was a bad idea to integrate it. She knew the ship from years of working on in and around it.

>can fly better than professional pilots a ship she never flew before - beats them all despite being outnumbered and outgunned

There is a throwaway line about how she's flown in atmosphere before but never left the planet but there is no good excuse for this pilot ability outside of "da force".

>learns the force out of thin air in seconds

Similar to above, no great excuse for this, however you can make an argument that Kylo Ren fucking around in her head somehow "awakened" the force in her or something, idk.

>beats the most powerful Sith seen on screen so far while having zero training - a guy who was trained literally since birth

For all we know Rey is a far better hand to hand fighter than Ren is, we see her beat the shit out of two guys with a stick, we only see him slice a defenseless old man and wreck a console. But yeah this isn't really well explained either.

So you're at about half and half.

she's more force able than obi wan was, can fly the falcon better than han and is a better shot than chewie, she's a apparently more of a leader than leia ever was, and she's a better jedi than luke ever was in three films. She's the entire OT cast, in one.

If you have to come up with fan theories as justification, she's a fucking Mary Sue.

I guarantee you she loses a body part and the next films ends with her fucking up.

>come up with fan theories

A lot of that shit is stated in the film

Just fucking accept that a women is better than the men. Christ sake, people.

Rey had no business using the force for anything. She used telepathy and suggestion, both Master level abilities. The force isn't magic. It's like playing a guitar or doing martial arts. You have to be taught it and then you have to practice to get good at it. Rey had no business using anything other than Prescience or force danger sense. The same ability younglings use, and Anakin used as a child and Luke used when pulling the trigger and launching the homing missiles at the chute. Rey's all powerful for no reason and it forever cheapened the force.
JJ, Kennedy and the House of rats are not at all story tellers. Lucas is so everything had to be either explained or telegraphed. Rey's just all powerful and immediately loved and trusted by everyone, including the resistance.

Finn's arc is a slave narrative.
> Stolen from his family and raised from birth to do one thing
> Janitor
> Has no name and is given one by Poe
> Basically a puppy for a white person
> Stereotypical black guy speech
> Butt of all the jokes
> Just a red herring to distract from the predictable twist that Rey was the heroine

How did Disney get away with it?

>you can make an argument that Kylo Ren fucking around in her head somehow "awakened" the force in her or something, idk

That's a fan theory.

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People DO give out about what a wank James Bond is. It's just only feminazis who link it to gender. Normal people are like 'this character sucks'.

You're hearing the male equivalent of feminazis bitch about Rey.

This.

How do you know she hasn't trained in some alternate force realm for the past 5 years, and during the training the time is slowed so it's really like 50 years of training while having all the falled jedi's ghosts at your disposal as teachers.

In addition, to survive alone as a woman, she had to learn useful skills, such as engineering and piloting.

who here remembers when Luke, even after training and fighting in the rebellion for what could have been months or years, was handily defeated by Vader and this served to illustrate Vader's power, Luke's weakness and allowed for us to see our hero vulnerable?

I remember..

finn was a very poorly written character as well

But if Rey is ever shown to be vulnerable (especially to a *shudder* FUCKING WHITE MALE) it'd be extremely problematic and promote rape culture.

That's where she starts. Now we see what happens in two entire extra films.

Wrong. It's a bad character with agenda pushing. If it wasn't a shit character it would be fine. Female heroes have been in some of the most iconic films of all time, such as Alien/Aliens, Terminator, etc.

Now taking bets that if Rey is ever shown in a vulnerable position, it'll be Captain Phasma that puts her there.

I also stated in that same line:

>Similar to above, no great excuse for this (learning the force out of thin air)

It's one of the least developed ideas in the movie and one of the weakest points, aside from the painfully reused death star imagery. There is no good explanation, the -best- explanation aside from weak writing is that Ren's actions had something to do with it, but since that has tenuous at best evidence you wouldn't be wrong to dismiss it.

More important is the fact that the Rey as an engineer and Rey as someone familiar with the Falcon isn't as far-fetched when you actually parse the dialog.

kill yourself reddit

>Normal people are like 'this character sucks'.
yeah, Rey as a character sucks because she is GOAT tier at everything but has no personality.
Leia as a character was good because she was a sassy bitch who had her strengths (was a good leader, good diplomat) and her weaknesses (being too emotionally tied to the struggle ie. alderaan).

No one calls Leia a Mary Sue because she isn't one. She's a princess turned resistance leader with human emotions. Rey is autismo with nothing fun or exciting about her

When I saw the movie and she literally betrayed all those people on that station immediately, I was sickened. Who the fuck writes this shit?

James Bond is not a Gary Stu. He is captured all of the time and depends on blind luck/other agents to get out of tough situations. In Goldfinger, often considered the best Bond film, he spends 90% of it captive and trying/failing to escape.

To be fair the total sum of Luke's training was 5 minutes of Alec Guiness mumbling at him while he got shot in the ass by a target drone, and then 24 hours on a mud ball with a muppet on his back.

If anything diversity is going to destroy all originality in film. We can't have a female protag turn evil, be weak or have any serious character flaws whatsoever because that could be and probably would be considered sexist.

Good thing she dies in the next movie

Just wait until the mixed race Empire woman in Battlefront II realizes the errors of her ways and turns good by the third mission.

>First question: All females are mary sues
Asspained ham-planet detected.

I'll be with you IF she doesn't have an arc. Right now she is established as a character.

She's shown to be a genius with engineering and a natural with the Force. If the sequel continues to give her easy victories despite these facts, that's bad storytelling. If it throws up obstacles that she must struggle and sacrifice to overcome, that's good storytelling.

She is being set up for future plot developments. Is my point. And it's well within the competency porn levels of main characters.

Which really sucks because the Villianous Vixen is a near universally loved character archetype. Everyone wins, women/SJW's get a strong capable female character that doesn't cow-tow to men. Men/MRA's get their saucy dominatrix "I want to lick her boots" wank material.

>can't recognize obvious satire
Reddit detected

Oh I see the bad guy just keeps him alive for no good reason? Gary Stu.

>can't recognize obvious satire

Why does these post always forget the biggest reason she is a Mary Sue?

Every fucking character adores her for no fucking reason. Even the bad guy is interested in her.

Are you implying that Kylo Ren was on the same level as Vader? Yes, her character development sucked. But some of you are listing stupid examples.

People who maintain/repair aircraft, boats and cars aren't considered "genius level engineer[s]".

We don't know how strong Kylo was compared to other Jedi. But we know he was emotionally unstable. And to compare his abilities to Vader is a mistake in my opinion.

The two things that bothered me about Rey were:
1) Using Jedi mind tricks out of no where
2) Her ability to stand her ground using a light saber against Kylo at the end.

When Finn used the saber, he got his ass handed to him. Force sensitive or not, that should have happened to Rey as well.

I still liked the movie.

She's implied nothing, she's just powerful for no reason. Fighting a bunch of garbage collectors does not make you a competent championship boxer or an mma fighter.

Yeah, I have an uncle who repairs jet planes, you wanna know how many of them he flies expertly like the pros?

She had no business flying the falcon. It's a custom put together freighter. Han and Londo added as needed. It's impossible to know how to fly it without being told by either Lando or Han which does what.

Kylo could have shoved the force up her butt while diddling her giggle bits, she had no business using the Force. Anakin was mind probed by the Jedi. Remember that. See through you we can, All of them probed his mind and you know what, they revealed that they could see him thinking about his mother and of the fear he felt. Did he defeat Dooku easily 9 years later? Admit it, Rey's a mary sue.


Unless there's a god force user or their god force being comes down then there's literally no one who can take her. Her going to Luke was a joke because she was more able than he was in three movies. Even more proficient than Obi wan was in six movies.


Rey's broken and she's an awful protagonist. The only equivalent would be Neo, while still jacked in the matrix has all the powers he had by the third act of Revolutions. She is that broken. She's immediately loved by everyone. The resistance just met her but trust her on a top secret mission? What if she's a plant or a spy. Finn had proven himself, he killed his own. But Rey's this no one from no where? If finding Luke was so special, why entrust Rey with it? Why did Leia Hug Rey instead of Chewie. She knew Rey for all of five minutes. Why trust someone you just met with such an important mission. What if she was with Snoke and was a plant? Are they stupid? no, Rey's simply a mary sue.

I don't see how calling her a Mary Sue is sexist. Is it really sexist to want characters to have an arc?n If anything i'd say that's less sexist because you want the female character to have depth. As it stands she's One Punch Man-tier, you know she will never be in any real dangr because she's OP because REASONS.

You're a moronic simpleton to even suggest Bond is at all comparative to your terrible protagonist. The only way James Bond can be seen as an equal to Rey would be if, Every day fat Joe, James Bond is at the city dump collecting trash to recycle for pennies on the dollar when two other fat losers happens by and James has to fend them off but then he comes across a message from the CIA and its a matter of national Security.
The fat never kissed forever alone neck beard virgin suddenly decides to become, James Bond International Man of mystery. He's flying Harriets, fighting with trained Russian mig Pilots, He's shooting sniper rifles and all forms of guns because he's a bad ass. Oh wait, he can do Judo and can even defend against Krav maga and Defendu. Oh, wait, he can climb rock faces too like Tom Cruise did in Mission Impossible 2. Oh wait, He's halo jumping out of planes because there's literally nothing James Bond, former Garbage man and recycler, Cannot DO!

>and no good stories can be told about One Punch Man

Dude, I'd watch ninety minutes of Darth Vader doing what he did at the end of Rogue One.

And the impression you got was that Rey lived an easy life up until she got off-world?

> Megalomaniacs keeping Bond alive solely because they enjoy watching him squirm somehow makes Bond a Gary Stu
wew lad

>beats the most powerful Sith seen on screen so far
>Most powerful
>Sith
If you want to hate her because 'muh wuminz' I don't care go ahead but why tell lies about other characters.
First of all Kylo isn't a sith that's the point of his entire character arc.
Secondly his training since birth must be pretty shit since a non force sensitive janitor managed to hit him with a lightsaber.

Like of all the things rey does in the movie the the movie bends over backwards to put itself in the only situation where she would conceivably not be destroyed.

>People who maintain/repair aircraft, boats and cars aren't considered "genius level engineer[s]".
People who teach themselves how to do it while they also struggle to survive as orphans are.

Why do you think so many orphans are fucking criminals? Cuz TALENTED people need a teacher to learn a trade.

Sadly op is right.

The fandom around starwars movies blinds everyone to the truth.

Tfa fucking sucks

Hell even gotg 1 and 2 have more logic heart and memorable moments than r1 and tfa which are just generic

Honestly TFA is fucked no matter what, in a few years it will just be "that first Disney Star Wars movie." Just forgettable noise, especially if the rest of the sequels follow the same trend.

>Secondly his training since birth must be pretty shit since a non force sensitive janitor managed to hit him with a lightsaber.

It's like you almost see the point.

Anakin was a slave for a wasp thing for most of his life. I didn't see him take on Darth Maul, did you? Rey wasn't a slave, was she? No she wasn't. Anakin was. Imagine all the aliens who tried to tap that boy butt of his and who he would have had to fight off. EWW, that's gross and we would say that didn't happen. Hopefully not. But you get what saying, Yes?

Finn was a soldier. How many janitors works on an army base? Soldiers are used to clean, user. Finn was a Soldier. he was trained to kill. He's a fighter. Rey's a desertnigger.

>The main character of star wars should be like a joke character from a comedy anime
My almonds are in full activation!

>this whole post

way too much rationalization for a very simple fact that it's hard to relate with an autistic megagenius who really doesn't have a trajectory of improvement. how do you level up from kicking everybody's ass and even escaping from prison by yourself?

>Finn was a soldier.
Pretty much, that's the first thing you're told in every army no matter what your role is, you're a soldier first and foremost. Even the guy that cleans the shitters is combat ready.

Kylo Ren is really inconsistent as a character.

By all he means he should be fairly powerful. He has Skywalker blood in him (the force runs strong in that family) and he was trained since youth by both Luke (a skilled warrior) and Snoke (the alleged originator of the dark side).

He seems extremely powerful when he is first introduced as he effortlessly stops and keeps gunfire suspended for quite a while. And he pulls memories out of Poe's mind with the force. Freezes Rey in place.

Though he's nerfed pretty hard towards the end of the movie. And his wound doesn't excuse all of that.

god I wish nostalgia fags would hang themselves

He's consistent. The character is a flake.

You forgot
>instantly liked by everyone
>Leia chose to hug this stranger for some reason
>given the important task of finding Luke

I agree. But at least the actor was charismatic.

I wonder how Rey is gonna convince Luke to stop being a grumpy, sad, old man.
Because you know Rey is gonna do that just because she is awesome

More important than that. What can threaten her now?

>Oh no! Stormtroopers everywhere!
Who cares? Headshot. Headshot. Headshot.
>Oh no! Kylo Ren appeared!
Who cares? She can beat that guy. No tension.
>Oh no! Rey is captured!
Who cares? No prison can hold her.
>Oh no! Showdown with Emperor Shnookums!
Well, I guess the movie is over.

Sadly no one will be nostalgic for this forgettable mess

>Beats the most powerful Sith
>Sith

Fuck off retard

How is he nerfed at the end?

He wasn't trying to kill Rey, he wanted her to join him.

Literally nobody cares that he's not technically a sith.

Im honestly surprised she didnt blow up Death Star III: Bigger and Badder edition herself

>Anakin was a slave for a wasp thing for most of his life. I didn't see him take on Darth Maul, did you? Rey wasn't a slave, was she? No she wasn't. Anakin was. Imagine all the aliens who tried to tap that boy butt of his and who he would have had to fight off. EWW, that's gross and we would say that didn't happen. Hopefully not. But you get what saying, Yes?

I concede to the superior mind.

Implying you wouldn't.

Just ninety solid minutes of Darth Vader taking down rogue Jedi and Rebel bases and space-gangsters. Minimal dialog.

I have a crazy grand uncle that was an army Nut Job, he wanted us, as kids, to clean the toilet with a tooth brush. Happily my mother didn't allow us to spend more than an hour with him and we didn't see him again until we were adults. Dude's a tool. He's insane with that stuff.
To him it's a religion. And he was late forties then and he still trained every day.

Not that i'm condoning raping slaves or anything, even though by hutt law they're your property to do with what you will and stuff.

Nostalgia?

Fuck that i recently rewatched the OT and it SHITS over most other sci fi's

Especially the Prequels (dear god) and even TFA and Rouge one

I think plenty of newer Sci Fi movies do a better job of being a "star wars" type movie than anything made from the 90's onwards

GoTG
Trek
This

it has no staying power, save for adam driver chewing on the scenery because the screen writers can only do so much with disney looking over their shoulder making sure this is the most generic boring crap.

Its just WAAAAAAAAAAY too safe

Well I for one fully support the raping of slaves, ESPECIALLY if they're little boys.

What's the betting she won't even lose a hand?

Have you even seen goldfinger?

Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke in Empire either. But did Luke suddenly gain mastery over the force and cut Vader down? No. When Luke finally got an actual hit on Vader, he was rewarded by losing his hand and lightsaber. Then he tries to commit suicide and has to be rescued by his sister.

And it has already been established that Kylo Ren is no pushover in the force and Rey just discovered it mere hours ago.

George pls go

please no

Probably gonna lose some fingers at best

lol, so much this.

People keep saying, "Rey just beat a wounded man", but then Vader takes a lightsaber shot and it literally does NOTHING but piss him off.

Vader is empowered by that kind of thing. Kylo Ren is weakened by that kind of thing.

The film could not be more clear about this.

it's not for no reason. its rey's "strange connection" to kylo that is giving her power. notice how the mind trick fails at first, then as kylo ren gets closer to her, it finally works? people think that's to add suspense but it's actually showing that her powers are stronger around kylo. at the end when she "finds the force" the subtitles point out that her and kylo's hearts are beating in synch. that's not for no reason.

I'm more of a bunnyfu connoisseur myself. but only in theory though. Only in make believe. Nothing has been done or attempted in real life, at all, nothing is at all real!
this is all theory and speculation.

>I guarantee you she loses a body part and the next films ends with her fucking up.

pfffft. yeah right.

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I saw TFA in theatres twice, the 2nd time to give it the benefit of the doubt and i still hated it

a year and a half later i still hate it and havent seen it since.

almost watched rouge one because the robot and setting looked interesting but holy shit when i god the webrip of it it was terrible, except for the black robot the acting, the script and dialouge where absolutely terrible.

Say what you want about the prequels, at least they where someones vision for something they created, not a calculated BORING dumb illogical safe stupid generic mess.

Rouge One is slightly worse than TFA but we knew all this going in.

When comic book characters have more depth, soul and meaning than fucking STAR WARS characters something is fucking wrong.

it works however disney wants it to work. all signs point to them having a force bond being canon.

leaks say she slips off a cliff during a fight with kylo and almost drowns because she doesn't know how to swim.

either luke or kylo has to save her.

KEK are you talking about when she was a little kid? This is the dumbest fucking excuse I've heard and I wouldn't be surprised if disney was dumb enough to use it.

Oh boy what shit writing.

What's next cgi Carrie Fisher and obi wan

This poor series should have stayed dead

> From the same people who made Anakin's lightsaber a sentient being

It was never special. The only reason it meant anything to Luke because it once belonged to his father. And Obi-Wan only kept it was because it the last physical reminder of his former best friend.

Now it calls out to people.

>cries over han, whom she knew for 2 hours
>he didn't even teach her anything he just got on the same ship with her
>hugs leia who she never met
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