Why don't you support transgender individuals having the right to medical transition?

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But I do.

However, I also support my right to load myself up with testosterone so I can leave humanity behind.

Because he's still a dude, and once he gets older, he'll start growing a beard and looking like a dude, requiring more surgery to keep him mentally fit.

They already have it. Fuck off

They can if they want, they just have to do it on their own dime.

Fair enough. Watch the roid rage though, Arnold.

It shouldn't be tax funded. if they need the sex change they should be able to get it, but not from me.

How's that shrinky dinky you have, meatwad?

Because you dont have the right to medical care, that's someone elses labor therefore their property

I'm a capitalist, baby. You can do whatever the hell you want as long as YOU pay for it

>I lost weight and put on makeup.

You do have the right to mutilate your genitals, just not on my dime.

Over exposed pictures don't make him any more of a girl.

Up close, he looks like a dude with fake tits, no ass, an adams apple, man hands, man feet and he stinks like dude ass.

You can't make yourself not a dude.

Are you that ignorant? Trannys actually have more consistent levels of estrogen then cis-women and they age considerably better.

I don't know where you are getting that facial hair meme from. Facial hair touched by androgens grows until it is permanently removed (lazer or electrolysis). There is no chance for facial hair to grow back nor would their be a hormonal reason for it to.

It doesn't even take surgery to remove hair.

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Cosmetic surgery is already an option, but nobody has a right to any optional practice. What, are you going to force the doctors to work for free?

I do support that right. I also support my right to not pay for you shit and to refer to you however the fuck I like. Mutilate yourself all you like, just don't make me pay for it or go along with your delusions.

I support their medical transition from a living person to a dead person.

Hide your hands, make it really low quality, tons of bright light to make that dude skin look smooth.

Transgender people are fucked because they have no actually concept of what being a member of the opposite sex is. They just try to act like a cartoon character.

>they age considerably better
are you sure about that?

Most of you fags end up killing yourself because you're MENTALLY ILL

If you wanna transition, do porn for the funding, because thats the only place where your deluded mindset is honestly tolerated, infront of perverted people who just enjoy destroying people's bodies with excessive ecstasy.

They can do what they want. However, given then proven link between severe mental instability and being a transfaggot, for society's sake I would like them locked away in an asylum both for their own safety (transfaggots have a high rate of suicide following transition) as well as for society's safety.

They can, and if that's what they want fine, good for them. I'm a libertarian and I support anyone's right to be stupid. Shoot meth, cut off your pecker, do whatever you gotta do, just leave me out of it and leave me alone. That means, no, you will not get any money from me or my health care provider. That means no, you should not get special rights just because you feel you are a special snowflake. I'm not paying for you to have your own bathroom either.

I do not believe that the mentally ill should be able to beg society to see them as a protected group. I'm not without sympathy however (it's not their fault they are mentally ill), so if there is a charitable cause, I'll donate to it. We shouldn't be pandering to trannies, we should be trying to get them to help themselves by curing their illness.

I du support their right to have it, but like with abortion and plastic surgery I don't think it should be funded by tax payers.

As long as they don't cut off the penis

>Are you ignorant?

LOOOL

Are you degenerate? Yeah, spend some more money taking away dude features...

Cause fucking retarded men think being a female is just a matter or removing male features and putting two balls of plastic in your chest.

Fuck looking normal, fuck finding a job that isn't related to being an SJW...

Most retarded shit ever.
Fuck trannies, especially male to female.

I don't support allowing the mentally ill to self harm, I would rather research be allowed to continue to find a pharmaceutical cure but crazy lefties have made it career suicide to attempt that

>He looka.... like a man.

Yes. I am 100% sure about it. There is a difference between transitioning when you are already old as fuck and battered by testosterone and transitioning when you are younger.

Near middle age, women's estrogen begins to plummet. Results in breast atrophy and worsened skin condition. Transwomen don't face this.

Why should these faggots be allowed to take hormones to treat their body dysmorphia? Yet bodybuilders are banned from taking steroids to satisfy their body dysmorphia. Let's be real here. Make hormones/steroids legal for everybody with the supervision of a doctor.

Bestosterone for life.

Because I can't take the drugs I want to so why should they

they should have it, but they should have to pay for it. Cosmetic surgery is ultimately still elective surgery.

I support state-funded transitions including free hormone therapy, gender-neutral bathrooms, free psychiatric counsel for trans people struggling with depression, and increased funding for research related to artificial wombs and organ cloning.

No, there is no difference. You still get old as fuck and look like a dude.

You can't be a female, you are not a female. You will never be one. You will just be a dude with a bunch of fucked up surgery and half your hormones removed

Chopping your dick off doesn't give you working ovaries. Or actually fucking tits, or actually have a fucking kid.

What a lie this tranny bullshit is,.

A bunch of pussy men want to be treated like girls because they're over sensitive about being a faggot.

Because it's a mental illness that's treated as something as normal as being straight.

Not an argument. You claimed two things that were demonstrably false then got triggered and posted that.

>putting two balls of plastic
Trannys grow their own natural breasts. Once again, you have zero knowledge in this field and thus your opinion is below worthless.

This is actually what I find most interesting about these threads. You know nothing but talk as if you do.

Exactly. Why should some fucked up woman have access to testosterone because she wants to be a man? Yet I would go to prison if I got caught with testosterone to get a leg up in the gym...

because offering surgical remedies to pacify mentally ill people's delusional fantasies will always be a bad idea, that's why.

show me some OLD good looking trannys then desu all the ones I've found so far are straight up disgusting

>then got triggered

I love how leftist faggots get so butthurt about us laughing about triggering they try to use it in circumstances where it totally doesn't apply

>not an argument

say hello to violence then

>Or actually fucking tits

No dude... Trannys actually grow real boobs. They are not in any way different anatomically from XX female breasts. Trannys can even lactate if given progesterone.

>What a lie this tranny bullshit is,.
So far nearly everything you have claimed is empirically wrong. I don't think you are in a position to make a claim about this topic.

Stay triggered tho.

Maybe you should ask him face to face in the parking lot behind a bar without your friends

the only chemical i support for trannies is zyklon b

Because it's treating a mental illness with a physical solution.

I'll say this in a more diplomatic way, being transgender is a lie. Most of the confusion that happens early in life also happens in the life of gay men, here is the difference, the fantasies (cross dressing, acting like women, etc.), they used to be dealt with, one way or the other. Now, they see an escape route through this growing trans movement, an escape route into fantasy. It's a lie. We should find a way to help these people, not feed their delusions.

These people could eventually grow into happy, well adjusted homosexuals, but we are denying them that by making this illness into an acceptable lifestyle choice.

it doesn't matter matter whether they grow breast or implant them. They are the epitome of degeneracy. Especially the male to female ones.

Just imagine a male who is so delusional that he think looking like women will make their lives better. These people willingly give up there masculine traits in order to look like weak and inferior women.

>why don't I want tax payers money paying for surgery, for mentally unstable individuals, who more often than not end up regretting it and offing themselves

Transsexuals are men with a brain dysfunction that makes their brains anatomically like women's.

It doesn't make them women. There is zero tangible impetus to make this jump, it is essentially a feelings-based leap of faith to pretend that by sheer will these individuals have become actual women. It would not have nearly as much support in the medical community if not for the two facts that a) The healthcare industry makes money on sex-reassignment and b) tolerant leftists didn't threaten to destroy the career of anyone who points out that the categorization of transsexuals as "women" is unwarranted.

They are men with a brain that did not receive testosterone when it was supposed to in the womb. It is actually that simple.

FTM transsexuals do not exist.

My belied is that peple can do whatever the fuck they want with cosmetic surgery as long as long as my taxes don't pay for it

>They just try to act like a cartoon character.
I'm waiting for feminists to start bitching about trannies. Trannies are essentially mentally ill men who want to act out the fantasy they form in their mind as to how a woman should be. I've never seen a tranny acting like a modern, liberated feminist women. Instead, they all grow their hair out long, wear garish makeup and nail polish, and wear flashy dresses. They're not women, they're just caricatures of what they think women are like. They all want to act like ultra-feminine women and enjoy all the benefits that come with that life, but they base all their notions of how a female acts on stereotypes and their own personal fantasies.

How can anyone not support turning useless beta males into 8/10 qts?

Caitlyn Jenner isn't even a tranny, yeah had some cosmetic surgery but still has a cock and is dating some young qt bird
>wins woman of the year

and the voice
good god the voice

I'm fairly sure that trannies who don't even attempt to alter their voice through training just want to fap to themselves in photos

All memes aside they are mentally ill individuals with delusions and helping them live their delusions in real life isn't healthy for them or society. They need help but our mental health system rather cares about making money from pandering to the left then actually helping people due to the mass amounts of money made on transgenderism via SRS and HRM and by the time these people who partake in these surgeries and medicines are 30+ they kill themselves due to them realizing the mistake they made and how irreversible it was. Personally it's disgusting to me how greedy our mental health associations are to be quiet honest. It's a real shame.

How many trans do you know who can drop the stacks required out of pocket?

That person started at a way older age, dumbass.

Because we have people out there fighting real illnesses and diseases.

They should be funded with taxes if necessary.

I'm a tranny and I don't wear makeup, nail polish, or flashy dresses. I think I'm feminine enough, but I know not to overdo it like some of the freaks out there.

Funding my meds with taxpayer money? That doesn't sound like a good idea.

maybe they have shit male genes, so make passable women with little effort

I'll spend a few hundred on an escort to get a rise, but as depraved as I am, I'd never get surgery for a kink.

who's fucking problem is that?

you don't get to take my money and get angry that I have a opinion on its use

40% pre- and post-op will kill themselves. I'm not going to encourage delusion and genital mutilation over treatment of the mental disease these people have.

this guy makes these threads daily and never posts anything to back up his claims except "you're wrong", yet you retards take it seriously every time. he's just looking for an excuse to dump trans porn.

They need therapy, not transitioning.

nah. let them indulge in what they feel they need
it's the only way to help them

they're holding the suicide trump card after all, what can you do?

That's incredibly cheap honestly, I thought this type of surgery cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I know you're just baiting me but
>state funding for literal dysmorphic delusion REEEEEEEEE

trans depression has more to do with the mental illness they have, not with being trans.

The real people pushing for SRS and HRM to be covered by the government is mainly the people providing for said operations and treatments due to them wanting to charge more and make more money (Medical Supply Providers can charge more to the government then a health insurance provider due to less price caps and restrictions) and I know this due to having experience in the medical industry and such. Transgender people make the Medical Industry billions in profits and that is one of the reasons why trannies are so heavily pushed in today's society. To make money because think about it if you get some abuse victim or some lonely weeb to think their a woman as a way of escapism then you can have them drop a pretty penny to these companies that provide SRS and HRM then insert it into politics too and have these liberal parents force their kids to become transgender and buy hormone blockers and HRM for their little tyke. It's not the elites trying to destroy the white race it's simply big medical corporations making money and my god have they made a killing on these trannies. It's all disgusting.

I swear if Germany starts paying such degeneracy with MY FUCKING TAXMONEYS I'll torture, rape and behead Merkel with my own hands.

>I'll torture, rape and behead Merkel
the muslims will do that for you soon enough

The kill themselves more often after transitioning, though, its why John Hopkins (the ones who invented transition surgery) quit doing the surgery and Iran is the main entity doing those surgeries these days.

but that's only to show how much better men are at everything.
we literally won woman of the year, how is that not fuckingbased/10?

Who really gives a fuck about them. Let them do what they want.
Without great advances in medical technology they can never really change gender.
I think it should be classed as sexual assult if one uses deception to lure a sexual partner. Because people deserve the right to follow their reproductive prerogative without being lied to by people who lack the required reproductive organs.

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but there isn't a more effective treatment available

spending thousands and putting them through emotional hell to put them off killing themselves for a few more years is the best we've got

Okay, this rampant attitude of 'you are perfect and flawless and can be anything you want and everyone will accept you for it' from the social justice squad probably isn't helping things...

sauce?

you have the right.

you pay for it though.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that they are trying to create more divisions by inventing a 'third position' yet again. If you are M->F you are now F not fucking T.

Then there is the bandwagon effect that will ruin many people's lives.

Then there is the mentally ill who's lives will be ruined because they weren't given proper treatment.

Then there is the issue of using transGENDER instead of transSEXUAL despite leftists insisting a few years back that gender and sex were two different things.

Go nuts, I'm not paying for your delusion though.

And where's where a bunch of young 4channers lost their way a few years ago. I have a M->F trans friend. He got so wrapped up in these "success story" image montages that he decided to go through with HRT. The classic story:

>Overlooked at everything: sports, popularity, low charisma
>Overweight as a kid
>Attractive sister got the most attention and success

So after ingesting all these damned "super trap" images, he thought the same would happen to him. Against his friends pleas, he did it, and now looks like:

HRT only works if you have the bone structure of the opposite sex from the get-go. If you look like the current sex without question,
DON'T
THINK
A
MIRACLE
WILL
HAPPEN.

IT doesn't. These images are of the >1%. 99% of M->F look like

>Who really gives a fuck about them. Let them do what they want.
Same with pedophiles and people into bestiality too #loveislove!

>but there isn't a more effective treatment available
Therapy is more effective by definition if they are killing themselves more often after surgery.

like how they tried to 'fix' gays?

I support her getting my nut

>rights

tell me, what gives _anyone_ ANY "right" ever, in any circumstance?

I'd suck her dick in a heart beat

Is that how they tried to fix you?
It didn't take, now you are mad and want to cut a bitch?

This is pretty much true. The majority of people who are transitioning shouldn't be, and parents should not push it under any circumstances. Transgenderism should be kept very rare and very private, not to mention inaccessible to anyone over 30.

Hit the nail on the head. If you don't have the genetics, don't do it.

don't waste my time

Do you place your penis in a glass jar after the surgery?

I don't support self harming
I only jokingly tell people to kill themselves, lopping off your genitals because you're curious is fucking stupid and should be discouraged at every turn

Don't be so wrong all the time and require such extension corrections.

I support state funded big breasted catamites and artificial wombs. Women are trash fa.m

you haven't corrected anything

No I don't support it. Wanting to chop your dick off means you're fucked in the head.

Because there is no proof that the transition surgery even is a good thing. 40% of them commit suicide after the surgery.

Plus we shouldn't play along with their mental illness. AND Tax payers should never to have to pay for this

Because you should NEVER water down the concept of a right.
Also, we have no way of paying for such a program, nor do you have the ability to justify having the government pay for that program.

Wow quite a bit of money to buy a vagina. Sure hope they don't do that

You're free to do what you will with your body, and I have the right to judge you.

Honestly, I don't know why Sup Forums is against this. Trannies have very high suicide rate post op.