WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: The MCU

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 2 is right around the corner, so let's take a look back.

Iron Man (2008)

>Several directors turned down the movie because they believed it'd flop before Jon Favreau was hired. Louis Leterrier was also interested, and subsequently directed THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

>Sam Rockwell and Clive Owen auditioned for Tony Stark before Robert Downey Jr. was cast.

>Rachel McAdams was approached for Pepper Potts before Gwyneth Paltrow was cast.

>Early drafts featured the Mandarin as a corrupt Chinese businessman who led the 10 Rings and created the Crimson Dynamo armor to fight Iron Man, before Jon Favreau decided to build up to the character.

>Early drafts featured Obadiah Stane only as Stark's estranged mentor, and his descent into villainy would be explored over several movies.

>In early drafts, Stark would throw Stane into a vat of acid rather than have him caught in an explosion. When the armor is retrieved, Stane's body is gone, indicating he might have survived.

>In early drafts, Stark would fight Stane in the prototype Mark IV armor, which includes a shoulder-mounted gattling gun and would later become the War Machine armor.

>The movie was filmed mostly without a script, with actors ad-libbing most of their lines based on a production guideline. Production was so chaotic that both the cast and the producers expected the movie to be a disaster until test-screenings reported surprisingly positive audience reception.

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The Incredible Hulk (2008)

>Mark Ruffalo was Louis Leterrier's original choice for Bruce Banner, but the studio favored Edward Norton.

>Ray Stevenson auditioned for Emil Blonsky before Tim Roth was cast.

>Norton had concerns about the movie's direction and demanded to revise the script. He notoriously clashed with producers and added several subplots that were partially filmed and ultimately cut.

>Stan Lee would originally cameo as the captain of the USS Excelsior, a fishing boat that Banner and Betty hire to take them to Manhattan.

>The Hulk would originally decapitate the Abomination, but this was changed due to negative feedback from test-screenings.

>Norton was a fan of THE WIRE and added a subplot about a man, played by Michael K. Williams, who reaches out to the Hulk during the Battle of Harlem to stop the destruction. The subplot was almost entirely cut and Williams' role reduced to a cameo.

>Norton also added an extended comedic sequence where Banner interacts with a computer geek while trying to retrieve data from the university. Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill and Jason Segel, among others, were approached to make an appearance as the computer geek before the scene was nearly entirely scrapped and the geek reduced to a cameo, played by Martin Starr.

Iron Man 2 (2010)

>Jon Favreau planned to adapt the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline, but the studio felt it was too dark.

>Early drafts featured Justin Hammer as the main villain, manipulating brothers Ivan Vanko and Boris Bullsky into targeting Tony Stark in order to steal the Iron Man technology. Vanko would die during a fight with Stark in Monaco, and Bullsky would become the Titanium Man to avenge him. Further revisions made Vanko into the main villain and reduced Hammer to a supporting role.

>Early drafts featured Stark developing a relationship with Black Widow, but this entire subplot was cut, and even their flirtatious conversations were toned down after negative feedback from test-screenings.

>Early drafts also featured Hawkeye as a SHIELD operative undercover as a mercenary employed by Hammer, but his entire subplot was cut.

>Mickey Rourke created an elaborate backstory for Vanko to make him a more sympathetic character, but most of these scenes were cut to streamline the narrative. Rourke was displease and disowned the movie, swearing never to work with Marvel again.

>The original ending where Vanko forces Stark to surrender to him by kidnapping Pepper and is killed by War Machine with the ex-wife missile was scrapped due to negative feedback from test-screenings.

>Emily Blunt was cast as Black Widow, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Scarlett Johansson.

>Al Pacino was approached to play Hammer before the character was reinvented and Sam Rockwell, who had originally auditioned for Bullsky, was cast.

>The cast once again ad-libbed most of their dialogue. Favreau was unhappy with the movie, believing that the rushed production schedule that didn't allow him to refine the script as much as he wanted, and declined to return for IRON MAN 3.

Thor (2011)

>Matthew Vaughn was originally attached to direct the movie, but left to pursue other projects. Guillermo Del Toro was also approached to direct before Kenneth Branagh was hired.

>The first draft of the script was a dark epic set in the Viking Age and modeled after THE LORD OF RINGS, but was scrapped for being borderline unfilmable in terms of budget.

>Liam Hemsworth, Charlie Hunnam, Joel Kinnaman, Alexander Skarsgard and Tom Hiddleston auditoned for Thor before Chris Hemsworth was cast. Hiddleston impressed the studio and was offered the role of Loki.

>Josh Hartnett and Charlie Cox auditioned for Loki before Hiddleston was cast.

>Brian Blessed was approached to play Odin before Anthony Hopkins was cast.

>Jessica Biel and Diora Baird auditoned for Sif before Jamie Alexander was cast.

>Alexander Townsend was originally cast as Fandral, but was fired due to his erractic behavior. Zachary Levi was approached to replace him before Josh Dallas was cast.

>Early drafts featured Thor's human alter-ego, Dr. Donald Blake, but the concept was scrapped for being needlessly convoluted.

>Early drafts featured Sif and Heimdall being siblings and also included Thor and Loki's other brother, Balder.

Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)

>Louis Leterrier volunteered to direct the movie, but the studio favored Joe Johnston.

>Joss Whedon revised the script after signing on for THE AVENGERS.

>Channing Tatum, Garrett Hedlund, Scott Porter, Mike Vogel, Michael Cassidy, Wilson Bethel, Chace Crowford, Jensen Ackles and Sebastian Stan auditoned for Steve Rogers before Chris Evans was cast. Stan impressed producers and was hired to for James "Bucky" Barnes.

>Emily Blunt was approached for Peggy Carter, but declined. Rosamund Pike, Alice Eve, Keira Knightley, Gemma Arterton and Alexa Davalos auditoned before Hayley Atwell was cast.

>Thomas Kretschmann auditioned for Red Skull before Hugo Weaving was cast. He'd later play Baron Wolfgang von Strucker in AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON.

>Evans was initially reluctant to join due to the nine-picture contract offered by the studio, but agreed once it was reduced to a six movie contract.

>Early drafts featured Baron Heinrich Zemo and Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker in supporting roles as high-ranking members of Hydra, but the writers believed they should be saved for more prominent roles in future movies.

The Avengers (2012)

>Jon Favreau and Joe Carnahan were approached to direct the movie before Joss Whedon was hired. Louis Leterrier volunteered, but was turned down.

>Zak Penn wrote the original script, which he revised multiple times to accomodate developments from other movies, but Whedon decide to write a new draft when he signed on for the movie.

>Penn's script featured the Avengers being assembled by SHIELD to fight Hulk, who had been brainwashed by Loki, before they join forces to defend the Earth from an invasion of the Frost Giants.

>Whedon created the concept of an overarching storyline about the Infinity Stones, with Thanos as Loki's benefactor.

>Early drafts featured Ant-Man and the Wasp, who were removed when ANT-MAN was delayed. Whedon also had plans for Ultron and the Skrulls that were ultimately scrapped.

>Robert Downey Jr. ad-libbed most of his dialogue. In early cuts, Iron Man would be revived by Thor's lightning after falling from the wormhole. Mark Ruffalo improvised Iron Man being awakened by the Hulk's roar.

>After Edward Norton's departure, David Duchovny was approached for Bruce Banner before Mark Ruffalo was cast.

>Jensen Ackles was approached for Hawkeye before Jeremy Renner was cast.

>Morena Baccarin and Mary Elizabeth Winstead auditioned for Maria Hill before Cobie Smulders was cast.

>The movie was originally rated "R" for the scene where Phil Coulson is killed by Loki. To ensure the PG-13 rating, the blood was digitally erased, the stabbing was shortened and a reaction shot of Thor was added to break the continuous sequence of Coulson being stabbed and collapsing on the floor.

Iron Man 3 (2013)

>Tom Hooper was approached to direct the movie before Shane Black was hired at Robert Downey Jr.'s behest.

>The original plan was for the Mandarin to be the main villain, before Black pitched the concept of the Mandarin being a smokescreen for the real mastermind.

>Early drafts featured Maya Hansen as the real Mandarin, but producer Ike Perlmutter didn't believe a female villain would be profitable and made Aldrich Killian into the real Mandarin instead.

>Early drafts featured China creating their own Iron Men, and Stark joining forces with Dr. Chen Wu, whose family was kidnapped by the 10 Rings, to stop the Mandarin, but the concept was scrapped.

>Jessica Chastain was originally cast as Maya Hansen, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Gemma Arterton, Isla Fisher and Diane Kruger auditioned before Rebecca Hall was cast.

>Andy Lau was originally cast as Dr. Chen Wu, but dropped out due to creative differences and was replaced by Wang Xueqi, although the role was severely reduced in script revisions.

>Jude Law was approached to play Killian before Guy Pearce was cast.

>Anthony Mackie auditioned for Eric Savin before James Badge Dale was cast. He'd later play the Falcon.

>Black's first draft for the movie was rated R and featured a subplot where Killian uses Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.

>IRON MAN 3 was the last movie in Robert Downey Jr.'s original four-picture contract, and was written as a definitive end for the character should Downey Jr. not renegotiate to play the character in further installments.

Thor: The Dark World (2013)

>Patty Jenkins was approached to direct the movie at Natalie Portman's behest, but dropped out due to creative differences, and was replaced by Alan Taylor. Portman was reportedly upset and didn't want to return to the movie, but was contractually forced to do so.

>Taylor clashed with the studio as he wanted a darker and edgier movie than they were comfortable with. The script was revised multiple times during filming, leading to numerous subplots being scrapped.

>Mads Mikkselsen was originally cast as Malekith, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Christopher Eccleston. He'd later play Kaecilius.

>In early drafts, Malekith had a more sympathetic backstory, wanting revenge for the death of his family at the hands of Thor's grandfather, Bors, but the concept was scrapped.

>Early drafts featured a minor role for Loki that was expanded due to the character's newfound popularity after THE AVENGERS.

>Early drafts featured a larger role for Lady Sif, exploring her romantic feelings for Thor, but this subplot was cut after Jamie Alexander injured herself on set.

>Early drafts also included larger roles for Asgardian commander Tyr and Jane Foster's suitor Richard, and also included the Valkyrie and the Enchantress.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)

>F. Gary Gray and George Nolfi were approached to direct before Joe & Anthony Russo were hired.

>Early drafts featured Sharon Carter as Captain America's partner, but revisions replaced her for Black Widow.

>Early drafts featured Hawkeye being deployed to capture Captain America after he escapes from the Triskelion, leading to a fight in an abandoned warehouse that ends with Hawkeye being defeated and secretly helping Captain America to escape. This subplot was scrapped due to time restraints.

>Early drafts featured Arnim Zola surviving the bunker's explosion by escaping in a robotic body. This subplot was scrapped for being too silly.

>Anna Kendrick, Emilia Clarke, Felicity Jones, Imogen Gay Poots, Teresa Palmer, Alison Brie, Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Jessica Brown Findlay auditioned for Sharon Carter before Emily VanCamp was cast.

>Kevin Durand, Josh Holloway and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau auditioned for Brock Rumlow before Frank Grillo was cast.

>Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Sam Wilson before Anthony Mackie was cast.

>Alec Baldwin was approached for Alexander Pierce before Robert Redford was cast.

Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)

>Peyton Reed and Anna Boden & Ryan Fleck were approached to direct the movie before James Gunn was hired.

>Nicole Perlman wrote the first draft of the script, which was very different: Star-Lord was an U.S. pilot who is accidentally jettsioned to another galaxy and joins forces with a group of intergalactic outlaws to stop the Badoon from conquering the galaxy.

>Early drafts featured Richard Rider joining the Nova Corps and developing a feud turned friendship with Star-Lord, but Gunn scrapped the concept in order to streamline the narrative.

>Early drafts featured Bug as a member of the team; appearances by Adam Warlock and Rom, the Space Knight; and included the Badoon as Ronan's army and the Spartoi as the Krees' lifelong enemies.

>Early cuts featured ELO's "Living Thing" and Norman Greenbaum's "Spirit in the Sky".

>Early cuts featured Stan Lee as one of the items in the Collector's inventory, but it was cut for being too meta.

>Joel Edgerton, Eddie Redmayne, Jensen Ackles, Jack Huston, Cam Gigandet, Sullivan Stapleton, Logan Marshall-Green, Garrett Hedlund, Chris Lowell, James Marsden, Jim Sturgess, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Aaron Paul, Michael Rosenbaum, Wes Bentley, John Krasinski, Lee Pace and Glenn Howerton auditioned for Star-Lord before Chris Pratt was cast.

>Gina Carano, Olivia Wilde, Rachel Nichols, Thandie Newton, Elizabeth Banks and Adrianne Palicki auditioned for Gamora before Zoe Saldana was cast.

>Jason Momoa was approached for Drax, but refused to cut his hair for the role. Djimon Hounson, Brian Patrick Wade and Isaiah Mustafa auditioned before Dave Bautista was cast.

>Gal Gadot auditioned for Nebula before Karen Gillian was cast.

>Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler and David Tennat were approached to voice Rocket before Bradley Cooper was cast.

>Marvel Studios offered to allow 20th Century Fox to retain the rights to Daredevil in exchange for using Silver Surfer and Galactus in the movie, but Fox declined.

Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)

>Production was troubled due to creative disagreements between Joss Whedon and the studio.

>In early drafts, Ultron was modeled after Tony Stark's brain patterns, but the concept was scrapped from the movie.

>Early drafts also featured Abomination as Ultron's enforcer; Captain Marvel and Spider-Man as recruits for the New Avengers; Ultron invading Wakanda to steal Vibranium; and the Ultron drones combining to form a skyscrapper-sized Ultron for the final battle.

>Marvel originally planned to pair Black Widow and Hawkeye together, but Whedon preferred her with Bruce Banner.

>In early cuts, Banner would ultimately reject Black Widow, and she would trigger his transformation into the Hulk by lying about having never truly loved him.

>In early cuts, Thor's vision ended with Loki appearing to discuss the impending apocalypse, but this was cut as test-audiences mistakenly assumed it meant Loki was behind Ultron's sentiency.

>Whedon included Thor's investigation into the Infinity Stones at the behest of the studio, in exchange for keeping the visions and Hawkeye's farmhouse, which were both nearly cut. Test-audiences responded negatively, however, and it was almost entirely cut from the movie.

>An alternative ending where Quicksilver survives and joins the New Avengers was shot should the studio decide not to kill a long-running character.

>Saoirse Ronan was approached for Scarlet Witch before Elizabeth Olsen was cast.

>Decided to build up to the Mandarin
Yeah and what a great payoff that was

Ant-Man (2015)

>Edgar Wright was originally attached to direct the movie, but dropped out due to creative differences. Adam McKay and Rawson Marshall-Thurber were approached before Peyton Reed was hired.

>Wright reportedly wanted a highly stylized, completely standalone movie, and rejected the revisions demanded by the studio.

>Wright's draft featured Scott Lang as a petty crook who's been arrested several times; Hank Pym as a mad scientist driven by ego; a love triangle between Scott, his ex-wife Maggie and his childhood friend Paxton; Darren Cross becoming the Nano Warrior; and minor roles for Hope Van Dyne and Scott's crew, which was comprised by eight criminals.

>Reed's revisions added Yellowjacket; the Quantum Realm; Hope, Luis, Kurt and Dave being prominent characters; Maggie and Paxton being minor characters; and Scott fighting the Falcon.

>Early cuts featured a prologue set in 1989, with a young Pym retrieving stolen data from a military compound in Cuba. Jordi Molla was cast as the compound's leader, General Castillo, but his scenes were cut.

>Early cuts featured Lang retrieving the stolen Cross Particles from HYDRA operative Mitchell Carson, but this was cut, leaving the plot thread available for a sequel.

>Early cuts featured Cross experimenting with the unstable Cross Particles prior to unveiling the Yellowjacket. The scenes were rearranged in post-production to speed up the narrative.

>Joseph Gordon-Levitt auditioned for Scott Lang before Paul Rudd was cast.

>Jessica Chastain was approached for Hope Van Dyne before Evangeline Lily was cast.

>Steve Buscemi was approached for Hank Pym before Michael Douglas was cast.

>Patrick Wilson was originally cast as Paxton, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Bobby Cannavale.

Captain America: Civil War (2016)

>Early drafts featured Vision on Captain America's team and Ant-Man on Iron Man's team; larger roles for Sharon Carter and Everett Ross; appearances by Bruce Banner and Pepper Potts; and Hope Van Dyne becoming the Wasp.

>In early drafts, Spider-Man had a larger role and Prince T'Challa had a minor role. When the deal between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures initially failed, T'Challa's role was expanded, including his transformation into Black Panther. Marvel and Sony later reached an agreement and Spider-Man was reinserted in the script in a smaller role.

>Producers initially feared that Giant-Man wouldn't be taken seriously by the audienced and demanded him to be removed from the script. An alternative version featured the Scarlet Witch telekinetically blowing up an underground pipeline to create a diversion for Captain America and Winter Soldier to escape, but the Russos were ultimately able to convince the studio to have Giant-Man in the movie.

>Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter refused to pay Robert Downey Jr's salary, reducing Iron Man to a brief appearance. Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.

>During the period where Iron Man was unavailable, the Russos mapped out an alternative third act centered on Baron Zemo searching for a biological weapon known as "Madbomb", which compels people into murderous rampages.

>Asa Butterfield, Charlie Rowe, Judah Lewis, Matthew Lintz, Charlie Plummer, Liam James, Chandler Riggs and Timothée Chalamet auditioned for Spider-Man before Tom Holland was cast.

Doctor Strange (2016)

>Fede Alvarez, Nikolaj Arcel, Dean Israelite, Jonathan Levine and Mark Andrews were approached to direct before Scott Derrickson was hired.

>Benedict Cumberbatch initially declined the role of Stephen Strange due to scheduling conflicts with his theater commitments. Mads Mikkelsen, Joaquin Phoenix, Jared Leto, Jake Gyllenhall, Tom Hardy, Colin Farrell, Ethan Hawke, Jack Huston, Oscar Isaac, Keanu Reeves, Matthew McConaughey, Ewan McGregor and Justin Theroux were approached to play the role before filming was delayed to accomodate Cumberbatch's schedule.

>Ken Watanabe, Morgan Freeman and Bill Nighy were approached for the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.

>In early drafts, the Ancient One was a Asian man and Wong was not featured. When the Ancient One was made into a Celtic woman, Wong was added to the story as one of Strange's mentors.

>Early drafts revealed that Strange went through the loop thousands of times before Dormammu decided to accept his bargain, and that he remembers each and every time he died.

>Early cuts featured a subplot about Strange's sister, Donna, who falls into a river while they're playing together and drowns despite his attempts to save her, motivating Strange to study medicine. Lulu Wilson played Donna, but all of her scenes were cut.

>Early cuts featured more parallels between science and magic that were cut from the movie so magic would remain shrouded in mystery.

>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)

>Director James Gunn added Ego as Star-Lord's father before learning that the characters rights belonged to Fox. The studio eventually traded Ego to Marvel Studios in exchange for Negasonic Teenage Warhead, who appeared in DEADPOOL.

>Gunn was advised against including an alien race, the Sneeps, because their name resembles the Icelandic slang for female genitalia. The studio eventually relented to their appearance.

>Gunn was once again prevented from including Rom due to rights disputes between Marvel and Hasbro.

>Early drafts included the Nova Empire. John C. Reilly and Glenn Close were approached to return as Daenerian Rhoman Dey and Nova Prime Irani Rael, but Reilly was unavailable due to scheduling conflicts, and was ultimately written out alongside Rael.

>Early drafts included the Collector, but Benicio Del Toro couldn't return to scheduling conflicts.

>Early drafts featured Adam Warlock as the Sovereigns' secret weapon, but the character was ultimately cut as he was superfluous to the narrative.

>Early cuts featured appearances by Gregg Henry as Grandpa Quill that were ultimately cut from the movie.

>Matthew McConaughey was approached to play Ego, but ultimately declined, and Kurt Russell was cast at Chris Pratt's suggestion. Liam Neeson and Gary Oldman were also considered.

>David Bowie was slated for a cameo before his death in 2016.

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That movie looked pretty but fucking blew like everything else that fag favreau made

So was Norton trying to fix it or
Also why isn't he in the avengers..?

>3 IPs

hmmm...

the ego plotline was a mistake, the central conflict in vol 2 was terrible and ruined the movie for me

will be streaming a cam of Guar. of Galaxy v2 after current IASiP ep.

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>>Emily Blunt was cast as Black Widow, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Scarlett Johansson.

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this and terrance howard's removal (his fault mostly) still are the biggest missed opportunity

I don't care what anyone says IM3 was good and I watch it every Christmas now.

>Imogen Gay Poots

>tfw no Major Tom/Ziggy cameo
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Reminder that /our/ boy Terrance Howard created a new branch in Math called Terryology.

The Hulk has had a bad history with movies. Ang Lee's HULK was way ahead of it's time and suffered for it. If you haven't seen it yourself, but have only heard/read that it's terrible, do yourself a favor and watch it. Shit's deeply psychological, well acted, the direction is great, and the cinematography is fucking cool. The final battle at the movies climax seems lame, until you realize it's all about sybolism and the fight is one huge Freudian metaphor. Oh, and the CG still looks fucking good 14 years later.

All of that to say HULK was a great movie that performed poorly and was rated poorly by older critics who were unfamiliar with comic book character and expected a campy film treatment of the 70's tv show. The lesson the studio learned was that the audience wanted less drama, more fights, and that the movie should pander to the nostalgic tv crowd. Hence, the weird super soldier serum/spinning gamma chair from the show and forced comedy sequences.

Nice thread, OP

Emily Blunt not being in these movies is what pains me the most

he got butthurt about a scene being cut out from the opening where banner attempts suicide by shooting himself in the head in the antarctic and threatened to quit if they didn't leave it in and Marvel told him to go ahead and fuck off because that's too edgy

>Oh, and the CG still looks fucking good 14 years later.

Now why must you lie?

Way more emotion in the Hulk performance than anything in the recent Marvel offerings. Look at the Hulk's eyes, man.

youtube.com/watch?v=v6pLlU889wQ

>Whedon created the concept of an overarching storyline about the Infinity Stones, with Thanos as Loki's benefactor.

Based Whedon giving us a decade long storyline every other movie studio pathetically tries to copy.

>that sequence where Hulk takes on military tanks, choppers and then fighter jets like some sort of insane GTA rampage

kino

>producer Ike Perlmutter didn't believe a female villain would be profitable

What a stupid kike thing to do.

>Black's first draft for the movie was rated R and featured a subplot where Killian uses Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce Pepper, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.

C U C K E D

Holy shit. That was fucking great. Is this THAT Hulk movie that's supposed to suck? This looks legitimately good.

I hate how this movie feels like some kind of dead end, basically forgotten. It was nearly on par with Iron Man, imo. I thought Blonsky performed more like a super soldier in the university battle than Captain America ever has on film.

I love how well Ang Lee captured the Hulk. Nigga just wanted to be left the fuck alone.

my reaction exactly, bruv.

Felicity Jones auditioned for Sharon Carter before Emily VanCamp was cast.
Fuck Marvel

>Quicksilver
>long-running character

All those flashbacks about the origins of male anger in childhood abuse, it was too kino for it's time.

This may surprise you, but before Batman Begins normies didn't take superhero movies seriously. Ang Lee's HULK is a character drama disguised as a comic book movie. It has long stretches where characters just talk and express emotion. There's almost no comedy to lighten the mood and the studio ruthlessly slashed the cgi budget of every action scene. Believe it or not, the studio and critics wanted a muscular guy painted green rather than a proper Hulk. Back then nerd culture wasn't a thing and the biggest audience for the movie associated the franchise with the 70's tv show. The comic book fans that saw it were mostly fucking kids. As stupid as it sounds, no one expected to see an Ang Lee movie.

All things said, I think Marvel ultimately picks the best casting for the roles.

>>Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter refused to pay Robert Downey Jr's salary, reducing Iron Man to a brief appearance. Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.

Get absolutely rekt you meddling jew.

Not to mention the ending when he gives his father all of his power that fucking kino shot of the gamma mushroom cloud.

Why haven't they officially made The Hurt Locker part of the MCU? It fits into the universe so well.

>Plausible military backgrounds for both Hawkeye and Falcon
>Hope Pym/The Wasp is Hawkeye's ex-wife
>Aldrich Killian's "death" from an IED led to experimental treatment, giving him Extremis healing powers and turning him into The Mandarin

>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.

Godammit.

it wasn't just too weird/artsy for a comic book movie, it was too out there for a blockbuster-size audience, period.

In my opinion it's the very best comic book adaptation that will ever be made. It's almost as out there as the fucking comics.

DC don't want us to learn the truth so there wouldn't be an MCU movie with an Oscar.

I pretend in my autistic mind that it's canon to the MCU since they just skip over how Bruce became gamma'd in this version.

Shame. I saw it as kid and loved it though and appreciate it more now for all the reasons you stated especially now we're stuck with marvel's sub par comedies and D.C.'s catch up game. We took that shit along with Raimis spider man for granted.

Shit that shot is great, I don't know how people can settle for the crap we have now when we know these movies are capable of more visually.

That focus is straight from the source. A ton of Hulk stuff is dedicated to Banner's childhood trauma and psychological issues. Shit like that is completely abandoned in the new Marvel/Disney stuff.

Ang Lee's HULK looks fucking insane with rage whereas new Marvel Hulk is weirdly mad at nothing in particular. New Hulk's "mad" but not real enough to scare the kids watching.

Ang Lee's HULK is one of the best, and after you've seen it you'll see Whedon pretty much appropriated that incarnation, ignoring Incredible Hulk.

Also, Danny Elfman score - Spiderman tier brilliance.

It's really nuanced, subtle, and the editing is wild too. The effects are stellar, and the cast is unbelievable.

Prob the best superhero film next to Spiderman 2 and Dark Knight.

>Early drafts featured Adam Warlock as the Sovereigns' secret weapon, but the character was ultimately cut as he was superfluous to the narrative.

Not entirely though.

>>Marvel Studios offered to allow 20th Century Fox to retain the rights to Daredevil in exchange for using Silver Surfer and Galactus in the movie, but Fox declined.

And now we have hulk as a comic relief side character. We truly are living in the golden age of superhero movies :)

This.

You know that's pretty accurate. It explains why Banner was I that 3rd world hospital in The Avengers. He feels a lot more like Ang Lee Banner too.

>they just skip over how Bruce became gamma'd

It's shown during the Incredible Hulk opening credits.

Who the fuck are these "test audiences"? What are their qualifications?

>Wanting Disney to bastardized those characters even further.
Disney has proven time and time again they can't get villains or characters like silver surfer right.

He's saying in the MCU, which Incredible Hulk is only partially a part of. MCU basically kept a few key actors and ignores the rest.

I don't know but these people sound like fucking retards, a lot of the stuff that they cut out sounded interesting.

>Hey you shopping at the mall of America...
>You want to give me your clearly uneducated, tasteless opinion on a genre of film you clearly don't even like?
>There's free popcorn....

Randomly selected normies

>characters like silver surfer right.
such as

>>Early cuts featured appearances by Gregg Henry as Grandpa Quill that were ultimately cut from the movie.

I'm pretty sure I spotted Old Man Quill in a car with a woman when Ego's Earth weapon activated

youtube.com/watch?v=2EAUhQUsISI

The brightness is way turned up on this, but I really like how savage the Hulk is. I also like that he changes size depending on how angry he is.

>>David Bowie was slated for a cameo before his death in 2016.

Any somewhat complicated character. They would probably make him like drax with him being the butt of every joke for being a naive alien, anything to make him funny even though he's not like that.

That emotion is intense. What the fuck happened? It's like everyone is acting their ass off here, even the cg dogs.

This is kind of horrifying. It reminds me that these films are a product, not art. So much missed potential. And this is coming from someone who enjoys them.

As much as people like to rag on this movie, I will never understand how ILM managed to create CGI this astonishingly good for 2003. It only really falls apart in the direct daylight scenes, and that's down to them making the Hulk too green more than anything else.

youtube.com/watch?v=3vRpnN4Trlo

The Iron Man projects that they were working on in the 90s, before the MCU/Marvel Studios shit show happened, were all really good on paper and showed great promise.

MODOK as Villain.
Tom Cruise interested in producing/staring.
David Hayer screenplay.

Just imagine how great things would have been had any of that actually come into fruition. Instead we got the most unimaginative, and uninspired superhero movie in which Robert Downey Jr. plays himself as he acts next to a miscast Bridges, who did at least try unlike him, and a wooden redhead plank.

I feel like even in daylight he looks better than MCU hulk. Have you seen the new thor trailer?

>Those insanely subtle shifts of emotion on Hulk's face
>The attention to detail in the mutant dogs

Seriously, how the fuck did they pull this off? There's CGI made TODAY that doesn't look this good.

Yes. It looks "fun" and colourful, but also exactly like a videogame cutscene. Just like all the recent Marvel movies.

Jensen Ackles can't catch a damn break, can he?

>MODOK as Villain

Holy fuck. Why didn't that ever happen?

>MCU have already wasted AIM

Fuck. Not only did they fuck up the Mandarin, but they wasted AIM on someone else other than MODOK.

>Titanium man also does not exist in MCU
For fuck's sakes.

Marvel getting the rights to Daredevil back was also a good thing, Netflix Daredevil is a cool guy even if the other Defenders are varying degrees of lame

>Aaron Paul as Star-Lord

Holy shit this would've been amazing, maybe if he said bitch enough times Sup Forums wouldn't consider GotG quite so reddit

All of this is from the Wikipedia article. To summarize concisely: Stan Lee and a guy called Jeff Vintar (who some may know now best as the guy who wrote what would later be adapted as I, Robot) wrote an Iron Man script for a movie that was picked up, but eventually Fox (who owned the rights of the Iron Man character at the time) sold the rights to New Line cinema because they were too busy with other properties in the Marvel universe. The Lee/Vintar script was obviously completely scrapped later on.

>main cast in a TV show that's been renewed for a 13th season
I mean, it's not like he's not famous and rich purely because of Supernatural.
I feel bad for Louis Leterrier more than Ackles.

>Jon Favreau planned to adapt the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline, but the studio felt it was too dark.
on one hand thats a shame because since Logan we know that capeshit with "mature" content also works but i'm not sure if it would have been right for this time in the capeshit universe and on the other hand Tony Stark being quippy and all is probably why those movies make the biggest money

>>Nicole Perlman wrote the first draft of the script, which was very different: Star-Lord was an U.S. pilot who is accidentally jettsioned to another galaxy and joins forces with a group of intergalactic outlaws to stop the Badoon from conquering the galaxy.
So, literally Farscape?

>we could have gotten stan lee marvelkino
>but we got favreau instead

Would have been pretty good, MODOK is such an interesting villain and character. It's a shame too because I don't think stan lee has ever written any of the movies since.

It would have been really great to see what stan lee would have done on the silver screen.

>Gal Gadot auditioned for Nebula before Karen Gillian was cast.

would you rather her as nebula or ww?

You're right and punisher is looking to be good too, but netflix marvel is under a different creative team from the main MCU so that's probably why. I have no doubt that Kevin Fiege and James Gunn would fuck up Galactus and Silver Surfer even if fantastic four already did that. Now if netflix had the budget to handle those characters I'd be optimistic.

>>During the period where Iron Man was unavailable, the Russos mapped out an alternative third act centered on Baron Zemo searching for a biological weapon known as "Madbomb", which compels people into murderous rampages.
Say what you will about the end product of Civil War, but this would have been far worse.

That meant that Adam Warlock would actually appear in the movie and battle the Guardians.
He was most likely moved to Vol. 3

you can blame normies for that. im just reading the wikipedia entry about it now and it mentions something about how people thought iron man was a robot. thats fucked up. no wonder the new marvel movies are such trash, they try to appeal to people that never had any interest in these characters in the first place

i guess you really cant stick to the fans who actually care about this shit when all you want is to untap that normie market

>David Hayter screenplay
David Hayter has written one (1) good movie, the rest are pure unadultared shit.

1x1= 2 now.
Thank you Terry

Isn't he notoriously difficult to work with?

>Test Screenings

I hate hearing about the shit we miss out on because of the small minded plebs in (((test screenings)))