Why did Japanese comics (manga) evolve into a sophisticated art form dealing with mature themes but western manga...

Why did Japanese comics (manga) evolve into a sophisticated art form dealing with mature themes but western manga (comics) just stayed shallow entertainment for children of superheros saving the day from the baddy?

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Because Japan is the best

Good story makers work on the field of novels in non-Jap world? I suppose.

The existence of Osamu Tezuka

lol western comics are usually superior in art and themes to mangas, you know it's not all about Suppaman?

Yanks have only 1bit brain.

because Goblin Slayer only comes out in animu

>but western manga (comics) just stayed shallow entertainment for children of superheros

wot

idiot

Western comics are nothing but a glib facsimile.
If Western comics were all I had access to as a child in terms of sci-fi I probably would become one of those crazy fanboys, but thankfully I had access to anime from very early on in my youth years that my
mental balance is very stable.
Seriously, if you have watched Akira, you'd realize just how sophisticated anime is and it blows away anything Star Wars would have to offer.
A lot of people mention Ghost In The Shell, which has just enough of sexuality in the mix to draw in the western audience I suppose but I must say that Ghost In The Shell is not even in my top 10 anime, not
even close, that's just how deep the world of anime is.
Some anime is so disturbingly mature like Fractale that I wish it would challenge the system and submit it as a Drama category in the Oscars just to bitchslap the snotty Academy.
It's not just the level of maturity and sophistication anime has, it's also quite original, entertaining, and visually fantastic. I would regard anime as the highest form of cinema art-form.
But hey, me preaching about anime won't do you any good, you gotta go out and see it for yourself just how much you are missing.
The recent one I would recommend to check out is Sword Art Online which is light and easy to get into anime for the first time yet appreciate it as much, but if you want the heavy stuff right off the line
check out Guilty Crown in which the plot is so complex and twisted that you'll need extra oxygen pumped into your brain in order to comprehend everything, and if you want amazing visuals and a gripping
drama that also has awesome mecha battles Aldnoah.Zero is the shit.
Seriously, if you know anime like I do, Western comics look like it's something for little kids.

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My guess would be that it's easier to literally draw every scene of a story than to descriptively write it down in Japanese symbols.

>Why did Japanese comics (manga) evolve into a sophisticated art form dealing with mature themes but western manga (comics) just stayed shallow entertainment for children of superheros saving the day from the baddy?
>weeb fantasies

If I ever become president the first thing I’ll do is cull the weebs.

>western
burger comics are dumb
franco-belgian comics are great

Japanese comics aren't even that amazing, they just have the imagination to make comics about things that aren't men in spandex fighting.

Also Japanese comics dont feature the same handful of characters passed around between writers for 50+ years.

Well, the West pretty much became a degenerate dump around the late 80s or so. Before then, western storytelling was pretty good.

Get ready for that to change.

30 anime coming exclusively to netflix in 2018.

Only American comics. If you look at how Americans turned out to be it makes sense

Good Jap writers other then nationalist-sudoku-gayboy and Osamu Dazai?.

>what are franco-belgian comics

The US is not the epicenter of high-brow Western comic culture.

There's plenty of non-capeshit western comics and plenty of shonenshit manga.

Are you retarted?
I bet you don't even read western comics, because if you did you would notice how many modern japanese manga are just edgy crap.

because the japanese have an easier time suspending their disbelief, which in turn allowed the comic and animation industry to swell to a much greater size than their western counterparts

Show me a japanese work of art greater than Watchmen, Dark Knight returns, Killing Joke, Transmetropolitan, Maus, even fucking Y the last man. Or even Cerebus.
Just because a media has flooded our lives and some niggers that wouldn't be able to read trough fucking 1984 praise it to high end doesn't mean it's superior, and this comes from a fanatic watcher of anime. Toodles.

>and this comes from a self-hating ironic weeb*
fixed

Don't you mean american cartoons?The comics are pretty good.

It's just porn and edgy shit written edgy fedoralords.

>but western manga (comics) just stayed shallow entertainment for children of superheros saving the day from the baddy?
You mean English comics ? Cause Belgium and France have a great "bande-dessinée" culture.

Ok i am a manga fan too BUT
>Western Comics =/= DC-Marvel Super Heroes
Try Fables, Dark Tower, Saga, Game of Thrones, Grand Duc, Heavy Metal, Strangers in Paradise, orijinal TMNT series etc
also
>Western Comics =/= American Comics
Try Italian ones. Possibly best in Europe. Search Brendon, Lilith, Dragon Nero, Caravan, Works of Milo Manara etc
I can also recomment some Francophone ones like Blacksad (actually semi-Spanish), Okko, Samurai, Alejandro Jodorowsky's works like Screaming Planet etc
>Adult comic
can you look dark or iron era us comics. Espacially i like TMNT in that era (image comic era)
Also i think comic book sector (also superhero genre) getting more dark and adult oriented than past. Only superhero movies are getting childrish (even DC animated universe is more adult oriented than cinematic universe)

It's called depth of tradition, which anime has none of.

Anime has no Superman, no Avengers,none of the internationally recognized characterized that Marvel and DC have produced over the years. If you're gonna throw muh Goku and muh Naruto at me, they don't even come close. They can afford to stay "shallow" as you say because that's how they were meant to be written, and that's always how they will be written and there's not a damn thing you weebs can do about it.

>ITALY
>Best comic art in Europe
>Defending western comics with american ones
I am crying man.
>superior in art and themes
I really dont like shit race between western comics and mangas. Both of them have superior art and story telling. First of all
>Western Comic =/= American Superheros
>Japanese Manga =/= Massproduced shounen shit
read claymore, vagabond, lone wolf and cub, FMA, Battle Angel Alita, Junji Ito works etc

This is correct

Dumb weebs

The good old 'it's bad on purpose' argument

>MUH TRADITION

You had me, and then you lost me.
It’s true that these western tropes and staples go way back. However, that doesn’t mean that you can’t tell phenomenal stories st the same rate as Japan. For every killing joke and watchmen, manga has 5 more.

Also, comics tend to follow the same character with different writers, which is a problem manga rarely if ever has

The only good comics and cartoons ever came from the United States in the early-to-mid 20th Century.
I can't even watch anime, it's essentially a '70s Filmation show with a bigger budget (and more consistency, thanks to Oriental slave labor).
European "cartoons" are cold and often flat-out repulsive.
This isn't an argument, by the way, it's more-or-less objective fact.

>Manga
The barrier to entry is EXTREMELY low. Look at the guys who drew Monster Musume (multiple times New York Times bestseller) or Are Naru Mono, or ONE. All three of them started drawing porn/fanfiction in their basement, all three eventually ended up getting legit contracts with minor manga publishing magazines. Speaking of publishers and magazines, there's a plethora of them in Japan. There is of course the king of the market Shonen Jump but there's also Gangan Joker, Kadokawa, Bushi Road and a lot more I can't be bothered to think of. Production costs are low, competition is high and the barrier to entry is barely even there. Add to this the fact that there is a wide and numerous audience for manga and it's not hard to see why they prosper.

>America
It all started with the so-called Silver Age. Due to some puritan moral scandal, American comics started self-censoring a lot (I think it started with some article implying Batman and Robin might be gay or something). As such it was decided among the major comic book publishers that only family friendly All-American superheroes were allowed in comics. This is also when shit like Batman only using guns evolved (in the Golden age he sometimes used a gun and he often killed people). Even as comics left the Silver Age, its impact was still very visible: DC and Marvel now dominated the market. We have now reached the point where those two companies (followed by Image as a distant third, and I think Image was a break-away company from Marvel anyway) are the only ones who publish widely read comics. And when there are only two guys on the market, why innovate? This is why they keep telling the same fucking stories over and over again, and only the most autisticcan keep track of all the reboots, resets and parallel universes. This means that there's no competition, a high barrier of entry for writers AND readers.

As for French comics, they're solid and can rival manga but nobody fucking reads them.

Gib some good animu (not cutesy shit)

It's actually the opposite: what you're describing is not tradition, it's convention. Marvel and DC have shit like Superman, Batman, the X-Men, the Avengers et cetera. But their popularity is a curse: they've had runs that surpass the average American's lifespan and as such they're never truly allowed to die. Their stories cannot end, they cannot reach a conclusion, but at the same time they're far too old for a single continuous run. This is why we constantly see the same story retold over and over again. How many times have we seen Batman's origin story in comics, tv, movies et cetera? Batman has become a somewhat static character, who's never truly allowed to evolve. Different authors can approach him from different angles (from the silly Adam West Batman to the edgelord Frank Miller's Batman) but in essence Batman remains the same.

Manga does not have this burden. Full Metal Alchemist is a finished story, Naruto's tale has reached its end (he's mostly a secondary character in Boruto), one day Luffy will find the One Piece and that'll be the end of it et cetera. They make for better stories because nobody is keeping them on fucking life support. Like I said in my earlier post, only two companies run the market and they survive on a base of money shilling autists who WANT the same shit over and over and over again. Because when you have a cashcow like Batman, why write a new story and risk it flopping when you can tell the exact same story as 50 years ago and swim in money?

Well, what do you want? Unlike US Comics, manga isn't confined to a single genre. What're you looking for?

almost anything ok goes, have not been watching that much anime in last 5 to 10 years or so.

Well, since this thread is about superheroes anyway there are two big manga at the moment that do a Japanese take on superheroes: Boku no Hero Academia (plays it straight) and One Punch Man (plays it for laughs). Both are pretty solid in my opinion, though especially the former is more of a standard battle shonen. If you don't like that genre, you won't like BnHA but I'd recommend you to still watch OPM despite that.

OPM's second season will air somewhere next year, as will BnHA's third season.

>boku no hero academia

You were making some fair yet debatable points but you threw it all away to recommend fucking neo-Naruto.

Turkroach speaks the truth

Source?

youtu.be/uuY7ANbmjuc?t=34m59s

>produce higher and higher volume
>volume

This word is key.

And he says it's more than 30 actually.

Meanwhile Sup Forums thinks crunchyroll/daisuki and similar projects mostly founded by people who actually seem to love the niche are the big bad wolves and won't even discuss the fact a disney-funded multinational media conglomerate is stepping in on japanese turf. They'll just shoo any conversation about neo yokio to Sup Forums (even though it's regarded as anime in japan and getting 5 star "reviews" simply because of the star-filled cast).

You'd think /jp/ would have a higher degree of knowledge on the subject but the other day I went to /jp/ to check the reaction to touhou being put on steam and this post and replies (including my own) were all deleted by their janitor while the thread was flooded with celebration. I even got banned from /jp/ just for trying to hold a conversation.

90% of weeaboos on Sup Forums, supposedly the most knowledgeable about the inner workings of their hobby, have absolutely no idea what's about to hit them.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I do think you underestimate Japan's Galapagos syndrome. If what you predict is truly what's to come, then this would be something we should've seen in the Japanese video game market. Yet this isn't happening: many Nip companies succesfully only make video games for the Japanese market, with translations only existing as an afterthought. Surprisingly this even exists to MMORPGs, games that in the West have a very "global" nature. The Japanese really can't be bothered with what's happening outside of their country.

Perhaps the storm to come won't be all that horrible. Or perhaps I'm just being optimistic.

Those predictions weren't mine. I'm not too into weeb games to have a valid opinion.

Remember the 90s when ghibli movies were all the hype and even made it to the oscars? That happened because of disney too. Anime suddenly faded out of the main stream because Miyazaki and his peers weren't allowing foreign investors to take creative control of their productions. Now it's different. Miyazaki is getting shunned by everyone, Ghibli is in dire straits and most people involved in the industry are longing for international acclaim. The old guard doesn't have enough power to keep foreign interests at bay anymore and the new generation isn't too happy about their shitty working conditions and low pay to care about a committee of foreigners asking them to make a skirt less short if that means more money.

2030 is too early though, I'd say 2050.

Let's hope you're wrong, but it sounds like you (or that guy you're reposting) is onto something.

Also, Neo Yokio getting 5 star reviews? Really? The only good thing about it was the oversized Toblerone and even then it's purely for meme potential.

>were deleted by their janitor
>I even got banned from /jp/ just for trying to hold a conversation
lmao, that's par for the course on /jp/, the jannies there are particularly notorious for shit like that

EuroComics=best comics desu!

I don't know, man. At that point so much anime will have been produced that I'll have enough to last a lifetime without having to bother with the new stuff. Not to mention the porn. If it happens, it happens.

People always tell me to avoid /jp/ like the plague and that it was /mlp/ before /mlp/ was a thing. The more I check it, the more reason I have to believe that.

I don't really get the comparison, it had quite a peculiar culture going on before it got lobotomized by the moderation. Now it's nothing but generals that get moved from Sup Forums and 2hu image dumps 'cause the janny hates fun.