Hitler is the reason Israel exists

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Hitler is the reason we all exist, OP.

At least, unless anyone born before WW2 is browsing.

nobody dissagrees with that

Dad deep

Yeah for sure bud

Old testament states that the messiah will unite all Jews in the holy land.
This was accomplished because of Hitlers actions.
Therefore, by Gods own words, Hitler is the messiah.

Nazis did a lot to advance medicine, desu

holy fagggg :DDDDDDDDDDD

No. Scattered until return. When did He come back?
Not as good as leftists

>Hitler is the reason Israel exists

This.

They were scattered when they wandered the desert for 40 years and found homes in foreign lands afterwards.
Hitler came back and now they're united and have possession of the holy land.

So you would've been conceived if WW2 hadn't happened?

Really?

Ben-Gurion said in a letter to his Zionist colleagues in the early 30's that a war would be needed to bring about the creation of Israel. Hitler tried to prevent this from happening, and the allies are the reason it did.

Hitler
>directly responsible for the deaths of the very best "Aryan" specimen (aka war ready males of optimal breeding age)
>directly responsible for USA ending up with a deathgrip on European politics for decades after
>directly responsible for the Japan losing its balls and becoming the degenerate capital of the world
>directly responsible for justifying the victimhood complex of Jews, effectively giving them a free get-out-of-jail card by calling anti-semitism.
>directly responsible for USA becoming a Jew puppet due to the massive flood of Jews to USA during WW2.
>directly responsible for Israel coming into existence
>directly responsible for destabilizing the Middle East by creating Israel and triggering USAs blood lust, thus flooding Europe with immigrants

With that said, this is only because he lost. If he won, he would have brought Europe into a golden age never seen before.

>Hitler was the hero the jews wanted

So?

Israel exists as a place to put the Jew once you've removed him from your land, which was never completed.

And?

Israel would be fantastic if all the Jews had to go there. Haavara didn't go nearly far enough.

>Hitler tried to prevent this from happening

Look up the Havaara agreement. Nazis sent Jews to Israel before the war, and it was only halted by the war.

I meant stop from starting war.

You are right.
Zionism+Nazism=true
>who did INVENT anti-zionism you say?

In the same way he wouldn't have been conceived if the Soviet Union hadn't won the war.

What the hell is wrong with you to think that the "really makes you think" type of temporal "butterfly effect" from Hitler's actions sanctifies them and him?

Insofar as he was consciously making decisions that would directly affect the future, he prevented the conception of tens, perhaps hundreds, of millions of people (the overwhelming majority of whom would have been white Europeans with traditional values and patriotism).

But hey, if my grandfather's dog hadn't farted the day he met my grandmother, I wouldn't be conceived, and that means my grandfather's dog's farts are above reproach and should be viewed as the fundament of my life.

That's assuming victory in the wars translated into being able to impose whatever he and his movement wanted onto the rest of Europe. And even if he had won, those of us who find more to like about European countries than the colour of our skins would find Hitlerism's gauche caricature of German culture a net loss when replacing German culture, let alone other cultures.

>3rd Reich remains stable
>European cultures erased in favour of theme-park version of German culture

>3rd Reich unable to secure the future of its conquered territories
>Europe has all the physical and moral weakening of WW2, PLUS the added degeneration of a continent-wide Northern Ireland situation

Bravo Hitler.

>Hitler is the reason Israel exists
>Therefore he's the Zionist founder of Israel
>you can't make this shit up

>European cultures erased in favour of theme-park version of German culture

That was never the plan. There's a reason why Hitler went soft on European countries that he conquered. The only cultures that he wanted to erase were cultures he saw as degenerate, such as the Slavic culture, and then only if they were in his way.

The balfour declaration made in the 20s pretty much legitimized Israel existence retard
It might have been formed later, but it would be created anyway

So you're contradicting yourself and agreeing with me?

>Hitler didn't hate European culture
>except when he did

Hitler is the reason I exist

If the war hadn't happened, my dad's grandparents would never have met each other

CHECKMATE

You're injecting morality into this not me.

Preventing the conception of people isn't evil. You do it every time you have a wank. You could have gone out and raped a woman and created another child. You're evil if you don't do that, right?

What is the Balfour declaration

GAS THE KIKE

Damn I mean my dad's PARENTS. MY grandparents.

jews were already moving there because of the stalin, they just wanted something to kickstart it

There is no contradiction. Slavs are not "European culture" nor are they "white". No offence, Ivan.

I'll take "What is the Balfour Declaration" for $500, Al.

Sorry, I misinterpreted your point.
I've just seen so much retardation from Neetzschean Natsocs lately that I thought you were channeling Savitri Devi with a "we're only alive by the grace of Hitler" shtick, because that lined up with sentiments I've seen expressed. Madness.

To address your actual point, I see where you're coming from, and Hitler definitely didn't say "let's make a "safe space" for Jews while letting them intensify their control over the Anglophone empires and by extension the world", the parallel between Hitler's "knock-on effects" causing Israel and every birth after his life doesn't hold up.
In terms of pure causality, perhaps, but we're dealing with sentient beings actively making decisions here, so it's deliberately ignoring what Hitler knew he was influencing.
He knew he was going to change the course of geopolitics, and define Jewish historiography for future generations. He didn't know that his actions would help create a set of circumstances that would produce you and me specifically, anymore than any actor knows his actions (however small) will have some ripple effect on the future.

To go back to the "not conceived" topic, imagine Hitler's relationship to Israel's causality being him going and knocking up a black woman, while his relationship to the causality of the mundane things that had no direct relation to him is the same thing as him "causing" a niglet to be born by not marrying a fat slag who becomes a coalburner. In the context-devoid reasoning that equates Hitler's influence on Israel's foundation with his influence on the people that were conceived after his death, the two are equivalent because Hitler's actions set the stage for this thing to happen.
These are false equivalencies.

Ha ha, well memed.

That goalpost really flew across the field.
Care to explain your reasoning for your categorisation?

russkibro is saying the truth
also, the people who were sent to Israel by the Judenrats were very integrated germans, whose names were Friedrich and Gunther not Mordechai and Hillel. Zionists (both socialists and right wing) despised those people who fled Hitler but were deeply german by culture and not really zionists.
a great Israeli historian is Tom Segev and The Seventh Million was a great book.

>well memed.
>goalpost

Oh please shut the fuck up, you retarded child.

If you don't understand the fundamental difference between Western European culture and the degenerate, vile and pathetic slavic attempts to emulate it, you've clearly never visited Eastern Europe.

Not an argument.

>If you don't understand the fundamental difference between Western European culture and the degenerate, vile and pathetic Danish attempts to emulate it, you've clearly never visited Denmark.

Please continue revealing your idiocy.

Hitler did play a role building up Israel, but the British were the ones that got the ball rolling. The Zionists were driving a pretty hard bargain between the Kaiserreich and the British Empire in the Great War in promise for their support. The British made the better offer and in the end they won the deal.

Germany's proposal was probably bullshit anyway since they promised the Zionists Turkish territories, but the British made three contradicting offers when you include the Zionist deal.

>Balfour Declaration
>Passed in 1917

indirectly
directly however it are the people that went against him

Hitler certainly did not aim to create Israel after 1940. Before that, maybe he wouldn't have minded.

> He knew he was going to change the course of geopolitics, and define Jewish historiography for future generations.

No, he wanted to kill all the Jews.

Yeah, Israel is a great place to throw kikes in, really makes you think huh

In the gas chambers with wooden doors right?

>implying Hitler created Isreal
The burden of proof lies with the accuser.
>passing the buck that far
You might as well say Churchill created Isreal.

Hitler started it and Churchill finished creating Israel.

Do you think he meant a European war? There were two distinct Zionist movements and the majority one was of the opinion that Israel had to be won through "conquest of soil" and "conquest of works". They've been the ones that were responsible for the displacement of 800000 Palestinians at the founding of Israel in 1948 and the latter revisionism about it.

>Hitler started it
The jews started it.

>Not an argument.
if you can't make out the argument from that post, you're beyond reach.

Sorry about your mongrel heritage Ivan, but we can't all be winners.

Your memes are stale and unoriginal, just like your slavic "culture".

Partly, but not wholly. The majority of the credit goes to the Zionists who devoted themselves to Herzel's vision of a Jewish state. Secondary credit must go to Lord Balfour who agreed with Lord (((Rothschild's))) proposal that the British will guarantee the Zionists Palestine (The Mandate of Palestine) if the Zionists will bring America into WW1 against Germany. . . this in 1916 when Germany, for all intents and purposes, had already won the war.

Palestine was already fairly inhabited by Jews by the time of the Third Reich. The Transfer Agreement did indeed bring over a substantial number of European Jews, but many of them were detained in the camps until war's end.

So Hitler is certainly a vital actor in the creation of Israel, but in no way is he wholly responsible. My only question is, since we see all those pictures of how the Arabs were on good terms with the National Socialists, how would the Third Reich respond to the ensuing century of aggressive wars of expansion waged by Israel? Or, with the world made safer and less globalist following a German victory, would America and other countries have supported Israel? Would AIPAC have such a strong stranglehold now?

Near impossible questions.

Is that the one where the British told the zionists they could have Palestine if the jews could get America in the war?

rd Reich remains stable
>>European cultures erased in favour of theme-park version of German culture

This! Why is this even debated when he already established the forcible-coordination (Gleichschaltung) taking out the state's rights and symbols? They founded culture circles to control the people's cultures and just look at the Aryan ideology. What does that have to do with the typical German? It's more of a replacement of native Germans. Germania might look impressive but it is meant to replace what German people have built over the centuries. That's not the German way.

I really hate that we are lacking an appreciation for culture on this board. I can't help but point at the Americans for most of this because they are always coming with their insecurities about their own race and an apparent under appreciation for their own culture. They just lump us Europeans all together as one thing, while not wanting to admit how diverse our nations are simply because of our culture. I think it's because they're looking down upon this tiny continent and can't be bothered to engage anymore about it.
They sure can't tell me that they have one single cultural entity throughout all of their United States.

>Hitler started it

This.

Hitler single handedly killed fascism, Nazism, white pride and extreme nationalism.

He did more damage then any other person, it's his fault Europe is flooded with Muslims, it's his fault Israel is murdering Palestinians.

Actually, Israel is the reason why Hitler existed.

Holocaust was instigated by jews (T.Herzl) to force other jews to relocate to Israel, because before that they were feeling too much safe in Europe...

bibliotecapleyades.net/bush/bush2.htm
(The Hitler project - how S.P.Bush and Allen Dulles supported Hitler)

globalresearch.ca/history-of-world-war-ii-nazi-germany-was-financed-by-the-federal-reserve-and-the-bank-of-england/5530318

orientalreview.org/2015/06/20/episode-17-britain-adolf-hitlers-star-crossed-love-iii/

>My only question is, since we see all those pictures of how the Arabs were on good terms with the National Socialists, how would the Third Reich respond to the ensuing century of aggressive wars of expansion waged by Israel?

It's not their problem. Why did Hitler even cooperate with the Arabs? Of course he was looking for alternative supply partners, but at that time Africa and the Arab world isn't Hitler's business. Germany isn't among the European powers having influence over those areas. The ones that betrayed the Arabs out of their unified country were the British and the French. Lawrence got cuckolded by both of them at Paris and instead they got a steady flow of Jews into Palestine under British watch, who the Arabs fought for in the Great War.
Mussolini's at gaining ground in Africa was already vehemently opposed through the League Of Nations and Hitler certainly did not want to do anything to give them a pretext for a war against Germany he was not ready for.

woow realy makes me thunk