Why is feminism a thing in Europe? i can understand it on Latin America due the numbers of rape and murder of womens...

why is feminism a thing in Europe? i can understand it on Latin America due the numbers of rape and murder of womens, but Europe? why? rape and murder of women it's probably non-existence, and womens get paid the same as man, etc. right?

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>why is feminism a thing in Europe?
It is not.

it is in nordic countries

>why is feminism a thing in europe
because the things you mentioned are achievements of feminism
because equal outcome has yet to be achieved

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Nordic countries don't define what's European
They define what's Nordic

feminism is a logical step of western conumerism. bring women into the workforce, divorce them from the family unit, so they become individual units that consume more than they would as a family unit. have everyone develop their identity through consumption, women, minorities, 340 genders, the more diversified a society is the more individual units are there with individual wishes for products and services to consume.

Because feminism is about the unbearable nature of women, even if there weren't rape and violence they would find something to complain a lot and make men responsible.

Don't consider feminism a legit thing.

Commie

kill all men

>rape and murder of women it's probably non-existence
hahahaha

>men rapes
>get 30 years in jail
>women rapes
>get 30 days in jail
>equality
A cuck's delusions

Astute observation, Hans

>getting raped by a female

It doesnt really exist here.

this. the only time it gets brought up is when someone dares to say that men's euro is women's 80 cents

> women can't rape men
This is an example of why we still need feminism.

Gotta get that other half of the population working full time for the state's benefit.

It's not, but understanding that requires working knowlegde of economics. I think of it as our Global Warming denial - Enough morons parrot something until it becomes truth.

Captain España

Come on, Pajeet is right, PC bs aside we all know most female on male rapes are nothing more than forceful seduction, Sure, a disgusting landwhale can put a gun to your head and force you to go down on her or shove a baseball bat up your ass, that's just as bad as what male rapists do, but a qtie teacher fulfilling the fantasies of a 13 year old? It's different and pretending it's not because muh equality isn't just stupid, it's dishonest.

Who do you think has to pay child support for 18 years? Hint: Not the female.

Also your example is pedophilia.

Rape by women is a real issue (especially if they're abusing children) but it's relatively rare compared to rape by men.

I was just going for extremes in the example there, statutory rape is kind of stretch when you're talking male kids + attractive women, not so for young girls where it's clear cut wrong and evil.

As for child support there's no legal discrimination here, both parents are responsible for providing within their means.

WW2 unironically. It got women into workforce which got them independant income which gave them ideas.

I wish I was raped by woman :^)

Me too, man

Yeah, but the guy can't undo it with pills or abortion.

I mean, murder by golfclub is more rare than murder by gunshot, but it shouldn't be treated any differently.

Kill yourself, fucking enabler.

Toxic masculinity

Because they need something else to get more advantages than we have.

Life is already unfair for men, we cant sell our bodies like women do (check twitch IRL section)

They literally have the right to beat up any men (if possible) but they can

They can accuse anyone of rape and probably the guy will go down, no matter what he did.

Women just want more and more, because it is never enough.

t. armchair economist

Good, mandatory equal outcome should never be achieved or even strived for.

All these goddamn antifeminists only know it through strawmen and through what Sup Forums tells them about it
I don't say you need to be a feminist at all just be more honest in your observations and do some research

No, he cannot, at one point or another you've gotta come to grips with the facts of biology and that it ultimately is a woman's choice what happens to her body. You can choose not to cum inside her or to carry your own condoms if you're that paranoid and while yes, that still might arguably not stop crazy, you can in fact lower your chances to next to nothing on just common sense screening who you have sex with. The law isn't there to protect people from their own mistakes but to protect the child from the mistakes of their parents.

t MGTOW

Honest answer? Because feminists are vocal in places where feminism is generally not needed. They are vocal in the places that have fairly good gender equality and it is safe to be a feminist.

However, Eastern Europe is not quite there yet. Feminism there would help women, but obviously feminists don't go to Eastern Europe. That would require them to take risks and they can't make any money off of it. It's better to do so in a rich country, because you get to cash an easy check.

No, the actual reality is that they can organize better in a free and open society where people with their views aren't as stigmatized

Feminism is merely matriarchial expression of gynocentric traditionism which forms in regions where there is a social structural vacuum which was previously filled with a patriarchal form of gynocentrism.
The key factor is increasing percieved social liberties for women, which indirectly has a flown of effect and provides men with more personal liberties.
Humans are heavily gynocentric apes and our social structures depend entirely on the utility of males. This follows that in situations where traditional patriarchal systems are not in place to keep men on the plantation and being good little human doings and giving their lives to the greater good of serving society and protecting the women and children, a different approach to social metabolism emerges in the form of matriarchial gynocentrism. This is to "correct" the perceived increase in male personal freedom and exhibit pressures to force men back into the slavery of their more utilitarian patriarchal roles.
Most of this occurs at the subconscious level, the deeply engrained social behavioural genetic pull steering towards a lower point of entropy and greater chance of the genepool keeping on trucking. Other animals exhibit mass subconscious behavioural fluxuations as a "correcting" method to returning to a more stable approach to sucessful gene propagation.

Feminism is merely female nature given a political platform and it has nothing to do with equality. It is a balancing act to relinquish men of their indirectly gained personal freedom gain via technological modernity. Women aren't self aware enough of their behaviour so they think this response they call "feminism" was consciously created and thus go to all ends to obscure their fundamental misunderstanding of female nature with all forms of irrational academic excuses and theories.
The tradcon side of this coin do the same thing to explain their lack of understanding of gynocentrism and the biological imperative of male utility.

Because Europe latches on everything coming out of the US, especially shitty sociology college ((science))

>but obviously feminists don't go to Eastern Europe
what is Femen you ignoratn PoS

>No, the actual reality is that they can organize better in a free and open society where people with their views aren't as stigmatized
No, not really. Eastern Europe would fit the bill of a "free and open society" they could organize in. They would have actual battles to fight and win, but they don't. They stay in cushy positions in countries like the US, Canada, and Sweden. This is how we get this inane bullshit of "women make 70 cents on the dollar" confidently presented.

Just go look around at the internet feminists that try to organize people in the west. They're largely in it for the money.

Awesome. And you think that just one organization will be enough? Is this board the rejects from Sup Forums or something?

>We, the Rockefeller Foundation, supported and funded the Women’s Liberation Movement. Why do you think we did it? There were two primary reasons for this: One was that before women’s right to work, we could only tax HALF of the population. The other was so that with women going out to work it would break up families. Women would have to spend all day at work away from the family. The children would begin to see the state and teachers as their family and this would make it easier to indoctrinate and control them.

No it doesn't, a large part of it is being established in said free and open society, such a society is the first step. Feminist movements have been established in western europe one way or another for more than a century

Feminists do work internationally, though. Some of their biggest organization's target parts of Africa and the Middle East.

It's pretty unreasonable to expect Western feminists to emigrate to Eastern Europe, just to protest women's rights there, when they can have the same impact from their homes.

subtle kek

We're talking about rape, you rambling idiot. Choice doens't enter into it.

He obviously think all males are raging basal brutes who would never refuse sex under any circumstance

Honestly don't encounter feminist 'movements' here even on campuses, only feminist talking points like
-wage gap
-glass ceiling
-domestic voilence
etc.
thoughts on those?

Oh yeah how muslims treat women has also come in the spotlight and #metoo so thoughts on that too

>men can be raped

Show me 1 (one) example that isn't statutory rape.

There's some truth to them, but it's never as bad as they claim and the problem is often internal rather than external (except domestic violence). A good example is the wage gap being a result of women lacking occupational competitiveness and drive. The glass ceiling can be largely attributed to the same thing.
All in all, it's shit to join the work force then complain that everyone is working too hard for you to compete, which is largely what those talking points are about.

>go to bus stop
>sticker calling all greek men rapists
>get on bus
>ring-nose slut with FEARLESS cunt pins on her shirt

feminism is totally not a thing, sure

>Feminist movements have been established in western europe one way or another for more than a century
THIS, the problem with feminism isn't the /pol tier conspiracies like (good image tho) but that feminism got to the point in which advance is no longer possible for women without bettering things for men as well. Feminists are content to let men suffer what they see as the patriarchy's opression (emotional isolation) without offering compassion or alternatives while wasting much of their efforts on the trivial (manspreading)

If you add to that all the crazy they allow and encourage it's no wonder they can't make any progress, paternal rights and paternal leave is a good example of this, they could eliminate the financial incentive for employers to discriminate against women because of pregnancy by making the costs for hiring men the exact same, and they could do this in a way that allows men to better their lives by having time to spend with their family and children.

>sticker calling all greek men rapists
Wouldn't be surprised if true

Because the dominant ideology is the ideology of the dominant class. The American empire exports its ideology and bourgeosie Europeans import it. This user was right: It is similar to what Alain Soral says.

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This is the kind of shit that turns men into homosexuals

I think feminism can still make advances for women without advancing (or even considering) men. But it would have to be about looking inward. It would mean encouraging girls from a young age to be more competitive in the job market, to study things that lead to an occupation rather than just having fun.

Admittedly, this does happen to some extent, but it's never realistic enough. You never see a feminist speak to a crowd of women and tell them how they have to take responsibility for many of their problems and need to change their outlook on life if they really want to compete with men.

No dumbass, you're talking statutory rape, that's assuming anyone under 18 cannot consent to sex. If you think 13 is too young and it offends your sensibilities how about 16, do you think having sex with a beautiful woman at the age of 16 will be destructive to your psychosexual wellbeing? Men and women are not the same and trying to pretend they are like a faggot because muh equality is stupid. You didn't find any women attractive at 15? How about 14? Do you think sex would've done irreparable damage to you?

>Straight males refusing sex from women they find attractive if they can get away with it
You obviously think men are fucking sissies, you do that? You refuse to have sex with beautiful women because they didn't take time to hear you talk about your dumb fuck dreams and aspirations? Do you need to be dined and given flowers?

Give me a break, even literal homosexuals are not that fucking gay.

In a larger sense that is bettering things for men but I see your point and I would concede that is correct.

>Hurrr me animal
>FUCK FUCK MOIST FUCK HURRR MAN NO THINK MAN FUCK.

O-oy vey delete this now you dirty anti-semite!!!

Forgive me if I sound like a marxist, but I think there is a large class element to it all. Much of the perceived economic inequality comes from wealthy and powerful males who by their nature directly compete with men but want to move women out of any form of competition because biologically they are the price. Often the men who are suffering under these same individuals are agitated by feminist rhetoric interpreting it as being directed directly to them rather than zn abstract hierarchy. Then you have the abstract 'societal pressure' criticism which induces a kneejerk reaction often.

It's like those suffragettes, very often the lower classes would just get pissed off at them because they were always upper class women talking about them wanting more rights while the lower classes were still shafing.
I think this extra agitation by extension is unnecessary.

To all the faggots that say feminism is to blame for women rapists not getting harsh sentences, here's the real reason why no one cares about them, men that apparently think these women are fucking heroes for fucking underage boys or that every kid is just waiting to fuck some old whore, here is who you should be attacking.

Yes, I'm sure you take your sweet time buying lovely dresses for your goat and romancing her but things work out differently for people actually allowed contact with human females.

Reminder that Mexico is literally known for women killing and other general violence against them!

OMG are you a virgin? Are you keeping yourself pure and chaste for whem you meet THE ONE?

I'm not against feminism you idiot, I made it very clear what I think about young girls being attacked. and the same aplies to women. Nice strawman.

>Ad Hominem

Sex is simply boring. Only virgins who've never had sex, raise it to a pedestal and display it as some form as cherished object. Sex itself without the pleasantries is simply equivalent to masturbation or possibly less.

Traditional Marxists, I think, would go so far as to say the entire issue of gender (and racial) rights is born out of class warfare. I like this, because it means feminists would have to direct much of their energy toward fixing our social class hierarchy to in turn make things better for themselves. Though that's never going to happen. Intersectionalism (which most feminists subscribe to, consciously or not) essentially puts these issues on the same level as class, instead of embedding them within it.

I agree with most of what you're saying. But I don't think it's accurate to say that working class men are misinterpreting feminist rhetoric as being targeted toward them. To a large extent, it is. Much of what they're arguing is how average men are better off compared to average women. If they honestly targeted the upper class more, that extra agitation would be gone.

>Sex is simply boring
You've never had good sex with an enthusiastic and compatible partner, what the fuck are you talking about?

>enthusiastic

Sex even experimental will indeed become platitudinous and a higher pleasure can be obtained from other activities which will last longer than the lifetime of aggrandized attraction towards sexual intercourse.

> meet woman at bar
> you like her
> she likes you
> she invites you to her place
> both of you get undressed, sexytime begins
> out of the blue, she takes a huge plastic dildo from her drawer
> "now bend over user"
> wtf I didn't sign for this, "p-please no"
> she threatens you with violence if you don't let her ram it into your butt
> you get scared and tell her you don't want this anymore and you want to go home
> she eventually overpowers you (with force or a weapon or whatever) and ravages your ass with the dildo
> "now you can go home user, you're bleeding and crying but I'm sure you enjoyed it, you said no but I know you meant yes ;)"
According to enablers and apologists it's not rape because from the first moment you agreed to sex, you must deal with the consequences. Or it's your fault for choosing the wrong woman to sleep with, it's your fault for being a manslut in bars, it's your fault for going to an unknown woman's place, it's your fault for drinking too much etc.

Well I didn't know how to put it but the same drive to the top and how they act once there would be embedded in every man by nature so they automatically target everyone not because of what they do but because what others in power have been doing, and also because it is perceived that this attitude is reinforced throughout all of society. But this sounds like a way to broad and vague thing to tackle and it agitates potential allies.

Why can't you people be honest in a motherfucking anonymous board? You know what happens when the sex isn't good? Either people cheat or they break up or they resign themselves to a miserable life. There's no higher pleasure in hearing a woman talk about her day, sure, it can be pretty cool if you're in love or if she actually is fucking cool but seriously, life without sex is just fucking miserable. Which isn't the point at all, there's nothing wrong with sex Al-Pajeet, it doesn't make you a monster to want to have sex with women and fucking her a girl isn't doing something bad to her.

It's like this board is full of elderly Victorian ladies ffs

>not raping her when she tries to rape you

Fucking amateurs. Don't even call yourself a manslut from now on, femboy.

that's just hot not a rape because women can't rape men.

You do know you're talking to a Paki right? Their version of sex is a bit more 'islamic'

>life without sex is miserable

Other avenues of pleasure which are much better than sex do exist, you mong. It's a well known fact that the pleasure associated with sex is aggrandised and propagated as some form of achievement.

He probably didn't mean that and we've already covered that in this convo
Also
>According to enablers and apologists
It's like talking to SJWs, do you people dye your hair red or what? What's next, women giving you lewd looks is a problem?

>Other avenues of pleasure which are much better than sex do exist
They don't dumb fuck, I've tried nearly every fucking kind of drug known to man and it doesn't compare to an hour with a mid tier escort, let alone a girl you're in love with.

What the fuck kind of pleasure are you talking about? Sharing and caring? Stop talking out of your ass, there may be more rewarding things in life or arguably more important ones and you may be able to enjoy art or science or the beauty of the natural world but it all pales compared to a cute girl.

Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to go throyugh whatever life is in your country but don't try to sell your bullshit here.

He claims he's not into goats

What is Jouissance

Secondly, this is awful retort to the spaniard and literally false equivalence.

On one hand, a woman winks at me (which is not a crime) and on the other hand, I am forced down, penetrated with a strap-on against my will and told I deserve this for being a manslut and this wouldn't happen if I didn't wear shorts.

You can easily compare them now, el retardo.

Feminism shouldn't help men.

is it? i only ever seen it on the net, we have some shit about stop violence against women but well it's because they get killed from their fiance so it's kinda ok
nothing degenerate like burgers anyway

>wtf I didn't sign for this
According to feminist Camille Paglia the moment you agree to go to her room you have agreed to sex and the consent cannot be withdrawn and you cannot be raped.

Feminism kills a nation. it's absolutely cancer

Oh they try, but they won't suceed.

>life without sex is just fucking miserable
This explains the high birth rate in 3rd world countries I suppose, the rest of their life is so utter shit the only thing they can look forward to is bumping uglies.

This

Actually women don't care about nations or borders. They are much more unpatriotic than men.

>They are much more unpatriotic than men.
It only applies to Whites. Women are more conservative than men in other parts of the world because they want to protect family.

We are not white, mister Tamagochi, so better say western women

>rape and murder of women it's probably non-existence
That's where you are wrong, Sweden is literally the rape capital of the world

1% of people being raped? Thats a low percentage. Why do people care again?

FUck1ng ideology. All the bad ideology come to europe. and all the fucking pelotudos used.

europe ruins latinoamerica with his fucking marx and his fuckin anarchism
dont foghet the feminist

In Spain we have 1 murdered woman for 1.000.000 inhabitants and they are contantly spending money and taking exceptional measures about it. With huge media support.

Communists.

but Sup Forums told me marxism was behind feminism

Absolutly excelent post.

this is impossible, Sweden more then any country in latam?

i thought this thread was dead already

The thing is that what Sweden considers rape is miles pettier than other countries, hence the high rates.