Libertarian Nationalism

Libertarian Nationalism.

When the left is trying to destroy your country from the inside out and all you want is freedom of opportunity for all.

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mother fucking bump

why not monarchism

Ok.

because fuck ruling a country because you happen to come out of the right cunt

let's discuss this more. Come on Sup Forums

I assume Libertarian Nationalism differs from standard Libertarianism by having closed borders. Or does it also include limiting international free trade?

It means putting YOUR country first, as oppose to the globalist bullshit. If closed borders is better for your country, then yes.

I would support a libertarian nationalist party. It makes sense to me. American nationalism itself necessarily incorporates aspects of libertarianism because of our founding.

The most disgusting part of the libertarian movement is their commitment to open borders and universal citizenship that is handed out like candy. It's suicidal and it's a departure from our founding, not an allegiance to it.

Exactly why I've been mulling over this concept in my head for the last week.

What is the economic policy of a national libertarian society? Is fiat and fractional reserve banking kept? Demurrage? A backed currency?

Just trying to drum up discussion.

Imagine a Ron Paul with Trump's "America. First." rhetoric.

wont work
kikes exist
race exists
tribalism (freemasonry etc) exists.

you end up with warlords. one will be NS and crush all of the others.

why not skip to NS

Economic policy would be full laissez faire capitalism.

>libertarianism equals anarcho-capitalism
It does not, by the way.

because socialism doesn't fucking work.

Wait, does libertarian nationalism believes on free trade or not? If not, it isn't libertarian.

And part of the Nationalist "agenda" would be to militantly defend the libertarian system.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

Open borders is an end game scenario for libertarians.

Free trade with in, but possibly tariffs on imports if needed to protect American products.

>FREEDOM WITHIN, STRENGTH WITHOUT, KNOWLEDGE ETERNAL


>The national libertarian recognizes that the truthfulness of her own values does not justify the use of force against others.

> Equally she recognizes that other value systems at times conflict with this libertarian approach.

>She thus seeks to preserve a culture of tolerance with as little force as possible, and as much as necessary.

That work?

>if needed to protect American products.
>to protect American products.
> Free trade: International trade left to its natural course without tariffs, quotas, or other restrictions:
>Protectionism: The theory or practice of shielding a country’s domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports.
>Comparative advantage: The ability of an individual or group to carry out a particular economic activity (such as making a specific product) more efficiently than another activity.
>Libertarianism: An extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.
>Libertarian Nationalism.
>protect American products.
The american society is the one that decides what to buy, you are eliminating their freedom to do that. "Libertarian" Nationalism

Getting closer. I think I'm going to do more research, really work on focusing down view points. Make a short form manifesto then post it here and see how people react.

>Muh equality and tolerance

>A chaos symbol

How surprising.

Nationalist would be protectionist for it's own country. I get what you're saying, but given what I've been reading, tariffs aren't as bad as modern libertarians seems to think

why not minarchism

because when you have a very strong internal threat like we face today, you need to have nationalistic pride of the founding principles the country is founded on. Minarchism is too close to anarchism for the goals I'm discussing. This is coming from someone that was full An-cap 2 months ago

tolerance would only go so far. Nationalism would give the founding principle of the country strength

What have you been reading? Tariffs can only be good, in the long run, in rare, rare cases

>I support libertarianism, except when it comes to free trade, who my company hires, and closing the borders.

That's not really libertarianism at all, bro.

>you end up with warlords

This is a good thing.

You'll want to look into Friedman as well as Hayek.

Friedman is what made Chile just about the only non-shithole country on the South American continent.

Additionally, strong anti-trust laws are inherently beneficial as they keep corporations from undermining democracy by seizing too much political power.

Tariffs should only be imposed on luxury goods.

Why thanks. Not sure I have the time to write anything like that, but I'll try.

>Equality
Only if you're down with supporting country and people.
>Tolerance
See above.

In my approach to National Libertarianism you'd for example need to pass a language test at the embassy of the country you wish to immigrate to.

No conversation-level skills = No visa.

Get bumped sir

People tend to forget that libertarians are small-government liberals.

Hence the nationalism. It's a marriage of the two systems.

I still have research to do, but I've heard some convincing cases for tariffs from libertarian/capitalist individuals

Like libertarian-socialism?

>In my approach to National Libertarianism you'd for example need to pass a language test at the embassy of the country you wish to immigrate to.
Not needed

>libertarian state
>no welfare
>unable to get a job without language skills
>die of starvation or get shot while stealing shit
No one would want to go there without knowing the language

two sides of the same coin

And even if they did want, their situation would be so problematic they will have to learn the language or accept utter ruin

There's no such thing as "Libertarian/(insert other ideaology here)".

Libertarianism is the idea natural law will balance itself out for the correct parties when violent cohesion is off the table.

Libertarian Nationalism is just a Nationalist who pushes Libertarian policy, which would be the exact same that a Marxist Libertarian would push...

Which is to say, said Nationslist and Marxist believe they can convience people through words alone.

From who?

You've heard good stuff about tariffs because libertarians want a small government. If it's small enough, it can be ran with tariffs.

As opposed to the big government liberals.

Whom*

BS

>In my approach to National Libertarianism you'd for example need to pass a language test at the embassy of the country you wish to immigrate to.

So my guess was correct, and it's some disgusting civic nationalist garbage?

You could probably design some non-subversive flavor of libertarianism, but it would have to be based around preserving a high quality gene pool.

this >>Not to mention giving domestic products a competitive edge, thus being inline with the nationalism tag

too much of a high-trust system. You're not guaranteed to be an effective ruler because your ancestors were and history has proven this. If someone is brought into power, and they're absolutely awful, in a republic you can easily vote them out the next election. Under a monarchy a leader needs to die to be replaced.

My father is good at business, that does not guarantee that I would be a good businessman and I promise you I wouldn't.
Only thing monarchism has going for it is that it's aesthetically cool as fuck but that's it. It's too risky

A great monarch to impose order then aristocracy for the win until the population is educated enough for democracy (Which would then be aristocracy anyways).

I think a lot of Sup Forums and the alt right is basically this. We are Americans, so our genuine form of nationalism is inherently liberal. Euro style conservatism is totalitarian garbage.

If our objective is to maintain as libertarian of a social order as possible, then certain restrictions on liberty have to be accepted. Such as borders, some taxation, perhaps trade restrictions under certain circumstances, restrictions on voting, etc.

But of course the general underlying economics should be as laissez faire as possible and the objective is to increase individual freedom.

minarchism works well and good if the society is ethnically bonded and MAYBE 95% white/asiatic at a minimum. the principles of anarchism are beautiful i agree, but that cannot happen with destructive minorities like blacks and jews.

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Your source for that claim is him? Because he didn't gave any source either.

EXACTLY why I've been coming up with this. While I like to just call the enemies the left, they do seem to get most of their support from such minorities.

Well, yeah.

When Europeans say liberals, they often mean libertarians/classical liberals. That's why conservatives in old world places like Europe is a different thing from in america.

America was founded on liberalism. All men are created equal, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and all that liberal jazz. In America the question was always about the role of government in creating the liberal society, how much of a role? Larger government types want stuff like more social programs, and/or more military spending. The liberalizing ghoal itself was never under question.

Libertarians want smaller government to create a liberal society.

Were as in Europe, liberals, ie classical liberalism (and all its derivatives like socialists and progressives) are all under the 'liberal' banner, because conservatism for them is inherently different from in the USA. Its why Libertarianism is falling out of favor in Sup Forums as nationalism rises, because Europeans can't into freedom.

I can't remember the exact source, give me a break. I read this stuff half the day and I'm a bit sleep deprived atm.

I'm not advocating for democracy I'm advocating for a republic. Like that of the USA or early Rome.

The masses will never be educated enough to have the final say in politics which is why they ought to choose people who are educated and specialize in politics to do this for them. Republics are a step below aristocracy and a step above democracy and are historically very successful.

these are incorrect fallacies. due to today's inflation and levels of regulation you obviously don't see many charitable homeless or jobless kitchens or shelters. back in the 50s and 60s there was plenty. you all a bunch of young bucks. you won't get it, we don't live in a hospitable world like it was. empathy and morality is dying slowly.

>I still have research to do, but I've heard some convincing cases for tariffs from libertarian/capitalist individuals
Here is the thing.

Tariffs curb spending power by extracting money from the middle class.

In the long run this is an exceedingly dangerous gamble.

Personally I'd say raw materials should be tax-free to import.

Double tiered safety etc, but yes good point.


Besides, it means that the deregulated economy doesn't just import a fucktonne of cheap labor that ends up forming low-income ghettos.
>You could probably design some non-subversive flavor of libertarianism, but it would have to be based around preserving a high quality gene pool.

Libertarianism itself already gets rid of the dysgenic effect of welfare and affirmative action.

Shit genes = Low success = Less reproductive success.

Getting rid of affirmative action in the same way means that shit people obtain less money and are thus less attractive and locked out of co-opting quality genetics by restricting them to people on their own quality tier.

>civic nationalist garbage
As long as they're white I don't see the issue. I'd prefer it if ethnicity and nationality could always match up, but with the bad state whites are in this isn't practicable.


I'm Austrian. Slavic/Germanic/Hungarian bloodlines have always been part of the region.

You're American. Same deal.

Didn't both Rome and Carthage become corrupt and were replaced with an empire (The senate still existed but with little power) or destroyed as a consequence of their own corruption (Lack of trust in Hannibal)?

Isn't USA run by idiots as a consequence of their political system?

If we can't educate the masses then aristocracy forever.

>I'm Austrian. Slavic/Germanic/Hungarian bloodlines have always been part of the region.

That's why you lost both world wars.

Libertarian Nationalist translates to limited government statist. Or a confused political identity.

What pol has always been looking for.
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>That's why you lost both world wars.
Not an argument.

>for all

Ahahahahahahahahaahahaha!

O.K., old fella, i think you need to take your nap, turn off your windows 98 system. Tomorrow you can practice more Pascal.

>giving out Visa's
>and for such a small standard
In Europe you can afford to have ethnic nationalism.
Why would you want the shitty knockoff bullshit "civic nationalism"?
>well our people are mostly niggers, the most popular religion is Islam, crime is through the roof, and all the infrastructure is falling apart
>but hey, at least they speak German and the government says I can do what they want
>whoops they voted the government to take my rights away

>>libertarian state
>>no welfare
>>unable to get a job without language skills
>>die of starvation or get shot while stealing shit
You do know that even beggars survive and breed? Criminals and scammers also survive and breed.
This idea that a libertarian state will make all the shitty people leave is retarded.
Living as a begger in a western nation >>>>>> living in Nigeria as a normal citizen.
They already don't have those safety nets, all they're doing is moving to a better place without those safety nets.

>Shit genes = Low success = Less reproductive success.

This is wrong. The theory of genetic success is a false presumption. Please read the Epigenetics: The Death of the Genetic Theory of Disease Transmission by Joel D. Wallach.

You are predisposed to genetic triggers based on your mothers nutrition. Minerals will flick certain genes off and on, like if the mother is deficient in Selenium during pregnancy, the newborn will have Cystic Fibrosis.

This is why certain families have disease through their genetic heritage, because their eating habits and sources are generally the same mineral content consumption because the soil of their foods is the same area. Which, wherever would be deficient in that mineral, whatever 60 the body needs. This doesn't even add up the amount of processed, heated, and hardened food consumed that goes into the intestines creating mucous and blocking nutrient absorption. The birthing of a child is a very special process which has been ruined by a culture of degenerate consumption of nigger tier fast food and genetic jew food.

>libertarian movement is their commitment to open borders and universal citizenship
Those aren't all libertarians though and mostly by the leftist ones or literal anarchists that hijack the name

it translates to an America First Libertarian.

Rome was a republic based on a string middle class of small farmers. As rome grew more rich its upper class bought more and more land, destroying roman society by ruining the small farmer.

So the Marian reforms were enacted, and then later came Caesar.

The early united states was based on a strong middle class of small farmers. Ask Thomas Jefferson, anyone who worked for a wage and not on their own land was an unamerican cuckold who should move to Europe because they hate freedom so much.

Few people own farmland anymore...

Libertarians ARE leftists.

>beggars survive and breed?
Romanians*
>Criminals and scammers also survive and breed.
They both would be fight against. Like, if they commit any crimes they would be fucked, if they begg then it is the fault of society for giving them money. Also the fight against crime would be easier in a libertarian society for obvious reasons

left=nanny state
libertarian=no nanny state

wew lad

American Conservatism. don't destroy the meaning of libertarianism or we'll have find another after liberal was co-opted by big government types

Biolibertarianism-whites only allowed in, libertarian domestic policy. Strong military that doesn't intervene in foreign affairs.

When Caesar came the republic was already corrupt, only naive people like Cato denied this.
Everyone owning farmland would be inefficient as fuck, comparative advantages are a thing.

Is that why you will be voting republican? So the bible-thumping 'that's immoral and should be banned' conservative nanny state can take care of you?

"Libertarian Nationalism": when lolbertarians can't admit they're not Libertarian

Damn, i didn't know raccoons were cute.

I can't believe I am a libertarian nationalist...

It's like, I want as small a government as possible, but it's hard to give everyone the right to control their own destiny when so many people think their destiny is to control other peoples choices.

Libertarians should just vote for Trump. Libertarians never win the whole election. Team up and defeat Hillary.

It's apparent that it's an oxymoron, yet it doesn't really change much beyond the idea of people being patriotic, while holding a priority toward their own freedoms.

>Tariffs should only be imposed on luxury goods
Why?

>Friedman
Monetarist kike. Monopolization and central control of currency is not libertarian.

I agree. Seeing Trump and the control the left has on everything is what's lead me to this thinking.

>fault of society for giving them money
Strange for a libertarian to blame a society for individual doings.
The faults of certain individuals is the reason for governing in the first place.

> Also the fight against crime would be easier in a libertarian society for obvious reasons
Such as? If anything it should be more difficult because the police will have less power to prosecute.

And that still doesn't solve the millions of immigrants brought in to do 70 work weeks for 3$/hour.

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>I'd prefer it if ethnicity and nationality could always match up, but with the bad state whites are in this isn't practicable.

Lies. Places like Germany are lightyears from lower tier white countries.

If you say it's fine for any white to come as long as they speak the language, then you'll get to many slavs and destroy the gene pool that way. Better than africans or mestizos, but still far from ideal.

Your ideology sounds just like another way to sell subversive crap by moving one step back.

haven't and won't in this lifetime lad.

i agree friedman was very wise though, he advocated a constant yet small increase in the monetary supply that would mimick that of the mining of gold. (obviously its just easier to let gold and silver compete with the dollar as legal tender and we'll be back into good shape in no time)

Read libertarian literature, watch libertarian exposing their ideas. It would take to long to explain, i can't give an economics snd philosophy 101 course in a couple of hours.

That's like unilateral disarmament. Works great for your enemies.

Essentially, even if open borders is the endgame, you still have to work up to it, and enter tariff/visa agreements with likeminded countries until everyone is on the same page.

It doesn't mean letting in a million retarded inbred arabs.

Fact is, the more people there are. the less free the whole is.
Is Rousseau still alive? Wtf.

>Its not about efficiency, ts about freedom.
Efficiency gives you time to expend, which is literally freedom to do as you want (As long as you don't hurt others, externalities, etc).

>Why do you think so many people fantasize about surviving the apocalypse?
Because people want to feel special.


>Nothing will fix the country other than collapse, the Germans were the only thing that could have fixed Rome, they needed death for life to have energy again.
Eww, blame the eternal anglo, and you can still "save" your country.

>libertarianism falls on the right side of the spectrum

Wew lad, aside from that of course no we aren't not really. We actually have more in common with the right. The confusion of "libertarians are left" comes from the fact that we just want people to all have the same opportunities and freedoms, that's basically it. Everything else, our economically conservative part, falls to the right of the spectrum and it really is the more important part.

It is probably best to argue that Libertarians are in the middle and only lean certain ways depending on the way their country is leaning at the moment.

>Strange for a libertarian to blame perverse incentives for encouraging adverse behavior in individuals
Not really.

Oh bull shit, this isn't a thing. I fucking coined that term in a bullshit "pol is libertarian" thread. This thread is even more bullshit because there is no such thing as Libertarian Nationalism, and there was it sure as fuck wouldn't be Gary Johnson

Basically Switzerland before the French speaking cucks took in "refugees"

>libertarian
>nationalism
kek you're like the trumpkin version of fucking left libertarians
absolutely delusional supporting an """"""""ideology"""""""" that could only be doublethink trash

you're the first to mention Gary Johnson in this whole thread bud.

>Why would you want the shitty knockoff bullshit "civic nationalism"?
To nab skilled whites from places that have them.
Good point actually. Definitely something to consider. Thanks for the reading material.
>Why?
1) To discourage hedonism.
2) To encourage local product and customs (no pun intended I swear).
3) To encourage affordable living standards for the middle class without giving handouts.

>i agree friedman was very wise though, he advocated a constant yet small increase in the monetary supply that would mimick that of the mining of gold.
This.
Only those with skills. As polebro above pointed out there's very little draw for genetrash to come if there's not gonna be handouts at the destination.

>Gary Johnson
THE LP IS A MESS!
A BIG FAT MISTAKE!

>Gary Johnson
You're the first person to bring him up in this thread.