Movie denies existence of god

>movie denies existence of god

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>Movie denies existence of pope

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Fight Club

Franco said believing in God isn't a requirement anymore

No he didn't, retard.

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Get ready for me christcucks

>Characters in a movie deny the existence of a God.
>Same characters are irrefutable the result of a real world creator, thus proving their assertions spurious.

How meta.

Wtf I love the Pope now.

>movie denies existence of kek

Seriously, how the fuck did Francis become Pope? He's destroying the Catholic Church.

Not that I really give a shit, I'm Protestant, but honestly, why did the Catholic priests and cardinals make this man their leader? I used to think the whole "Pope is the Antichrist" thing was silly, but seeing this Pope, who says being atheist and getting abortions is a-ok in God's eyes, who kisses the feet of muslim refugees while they slaughter his fellow Catholics, I'm starting to think it makes sense.

>Seriously, how the fuck did Francis become Pope? He's destroying the Catholic Church.

Debatable, the its easy to blame the church, but its average Catholics that are dismantling the church. Many catholic's my age barely agree with the church on basic theology.

>why did the Catholic priests and cardinals make this man their leader
because they are attempting to reach out to people that have become apathetic to Catholicism. It's not a particularly effective strategy, as people want the Church to change to suit their lifestyle, instead of the other way around.

>implying this gay ass commie believes in god

For what logical reason should God give a single fuck whether people believe in him or not?

To glorify himself

How could such a vain creature tell who deserves paradise?

He created it so he gets to choose who can get it and who can't.

The existence of something would find its ultimate source in God, meaning its existence would necessarily require God's desire for its continuance.

>But we are the mere product of a system

Omniscience would ensure His awareness of any effects of said system's installation

>Fine, but the universe is to big for Him to actually care about something so small

Omnipotency prevents facilities like attention or concern from being exhausted. To make a claim that God cannot consider the minutia without tiring is denying omnipotency.

Honestly the pedophile priests have done more damage to the church's credibility than that dickhead ever has. Why they insist on protecting those people are beyond me.

>creature
He isn't though

Lol salty Merishart protestans. Why are you angry about everything?

So a Pope who is kind and including is bad? A Pope who cares for the poor and weak is bad?
Stop pretending that you arent a right wing war-hungry nut case hiding behind the Bible.

So what did Pope do that isnt in the scriputre?
Stop being an angry sack of shit.

Wouldn't it actually ensure that only good people go to Heaven if no one knew of God or the Bible, didn't do good out of fear but for the sake of doing good? Only the truly good-natured and righteous would get a pleasant surprise upon death.

>deserves
right, so despite being the ultimate creator of all things, their exists a moral system above God, which He is subject to?

> vain

vanity is a pointless concept. For one, God would, as infinite and all good, be deserving of endless praise, no amount of expression of this could ever be too much. It should, by rights, extend infinitely. Moreover, a true vanity would be the creation of nothing, but rather a satisfaction with Himself. The creation of lower things which participate, yes in glorifying him, but also joy, is hardly "vain" in a human sense.

A Pope who ignores the basic tenets of his own religion is bad. I don't give a shit about politics.

Pope Francis is an excellent leftist poltician but an awful Pope. Imagine if you made Marine Le Pen the Pope, that's basically the right wing equivalent. Great for extremist politics, awful for religion.

Francis isn't a real Pope.

He was voted in out for pressure from the international community and Obama using the IRS to defund Conservative organizations. By the laws of the Vatican, anyone placed in due to the influence of outside forces is not divinely chosen.

Benedict is still the real Pope.

read a history book you fucking retard and realize that all the popes in history have been political.

>So a Pope who is kind and including is bad?
If you deny me, I will deny you.
>A Pope who cares for the poor and weak is bad?
He who does not work does not eat.
>Stop pretending that you arent a right wing war-hungry nut case hiding behind the Bible.
Strawman.

Saying atheists go to heaven for example

The Catholic Church is losing membership like a plummeting rocket and Islam has absolutely BTFO it, they saw the current course wasn't working and elected a reformer

It's the same logic that had Gorbachev be the last leader of the USSR

>If you deny me, I will deny you.
in heaven you fuck.

>read a history book you fucking retard and realize that all the popes in history have been political.

1. I said he was chosen through political pressure.
2. Popes have been political after the fact.
3. Any chosen under such pressure were not Popes either.
4. Recommend me a book(s).
5. Ad hominems won't get you anywhere.

We may consider "God" worthy of praise, but someone or something "infinitely good" would not demand praise, he/she/it wouldn't even have any use for it. Sounds like something a child would do.

>in heaven you fuck.

What comes out of your mouth defiles you.

How is one "divinely chosen"?

God isn't forcing you to do anything.

You're a fucking retard who should kill himself.

The problem with this latino commie is that the God he's working for seems to be Allah.
Especially regarding the European affairs.

It's probably the usual commie hate for Europe because we managed to get rid of all the leftist Communist dictatorships.

Church clergy vote based on virtuosity.

In Francis case they voted based on what would appease the international community.

Francis was a Socialist in his youth in Argentina.

No, it doesn't. Goodness finds its ultimate source in God. Any temporal goodness we have in this life is thanks in part to God, and any true goodness and joy that can last infinitely would only be possible with God. After all, what could possible make eternity tolerable but a relationship with a truly infinite being, one who's mystery and essence saturates said infinity. Any joy we could perceive on this earth, extended into infinity, would eventually become so insipid or dull that it would, in fact, become hell.

You assertion of God as petulant is the result of an incorrect perspective. We CANNOT, in the long run, truely be happy without God, not because He will punish us if we don't, but because of the very nature of infinity, we cannot without Him. His instance on praise is to remind of us this simple truth, that if we cannot hope to find lasting joy without Him. It is an action to our benefit, not His. He is the only source, it is suicidal to believe their is one elsewhere.

God is just sitting on the cloudtop like a trickster imp, watching us stumble through a maze of his own creation, hoping in his infinitely good heart that you and I cave into blind submission.

You don't mean that.

Suicide is a sin.

>A Pope who ignores the basic tenets of his own religion is bad

And that literally never happened

>God is just sitting on the cloudtop like a trickster imp, watching us stumble through a maze of his own creation, hoping in his infinitely good heart that you and I cave into blind submission.

If you have a pet rat in a maze, you hope he finds the right way.

Your projection sounds a little more deep-seated.

How is your relationship with your father?

nice religion you got there

If your god doesn't have any control over natural Forces, how is your god omnipotent?

>Pope denies catholic dogmas

I wouldn't put a rat in a maze for my amusement. And I'm not even infintely good, present, knowing or powerful.

If godhood was a democratic process, I'd do 100x better job at being the cosmic overlord.

Sup Forums is pathetic but nothing beats the guys who pretend to be catholic

>guy says things that aren't true
>point it out
>lol you are pathetic

Ok

If you put your young child in a maze and let him starve unless he finds his way, you get your child taken away and probably go to jail.

>If your god doesn't have any control over natural Forces, how is your god omnipotent?

He does, who said he didn't?

"Your God"

Tell me, what is your God? Nihilism, Hedonism, The State?

Everyone has a god.

Free will is a grace. God choosing to exert Will over us does not mean He isn't capable of doing so.

Proved my point. Thanks, you stupid biggit.

>muh snake cult

The Vatican is shaped like a giant snake. Catholics are so ignorant, that they don't realize they are worshiping the Devil.

Free will doesn't negate natural forces.
We are bound by Human Condition and Natural Forces and if your god is omnipotent, then it was his will to imprison each of us into our own singular perspective.

>atheists can go to heaven
>says proselythism is a sin
>doesn't ignore basic tenets of catholicism
You know all that of course. You just can't own up to it

oh my god why isnt the pope racist like me

>what is your God? Nihilism, Hedonism, The State?
>Everyone has a god.
Sup Forums's intellectuals everyone

How is free will even a thing in Abrahamic lore when the Boss already has seen the beginning and the end of everything before it happens?

Giving some slightly more evolved ape-like creature an illusion choice is all it is, if God already knows the outcome.

>who said he didn't?
Chance

because thats what jesus would do, not the people that wrote is meme book what he would actually do, real christianity or what it is suposed to be is closer to budism

>Still buying into antiquated mythologies

Step up your game

>I wouldn't put a rat in a maze for my amusement.

Projection, and incorrect. Virtue cannot be obtained without the freedom to choose it.

>And I'm not even infintely good, present, knowing or powerful.
>If godhood was a democratic process, I'd do 100x better job at being the cosmic overlord.

You admit to being immensely flawed yet you believe to do a better job than an omnipotent being?

Answer my question: How is your relationship with your father?

>>says proselythism is a sin

again, he never said that

>Virtue cannot be obtained without the freedom to choose it.
Jesus didn't choose to be Jesus.

After years of a literal Nazi being pope Francis is the first one that actually makes me lroud to live in a catholic place.

Ability is not action.

I have the ability kill my cat, but I don't.

It is on camera you dumb larper
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Yeshua chose not to succumb to sin.

There's an entire section about it

Given what we can see of god's work so far, we can safely conclude he's either not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent. Random disasters, crop failures, genetic disease, parasites and viruses, suggest if god is all powerful he's akin to Jigsaw and this is all his sick game.

So you are saying your god isn't what imposes the natural forces and human condition?

Christianity must be the stupidest religion on the planet

>what? you pray to me in slightly different way than those other christian sects? SIN! HELL FOR YOU!!

either that ore their """""""God"""""" is a psychopath

There is a section about how he was born that way through divine rights that even kings could recognize, so it wasn't a choice, but a blessing.

Jesus is God made flesh. How could he succumb to anything? And even if he did, why would it matter? God, and thus by proxy the Son of God functions outside the ruleset imposed upon us lowly humans.

Did God lose all his godliness when he became flesh? Doesn't that completely wreck the idea of omnipotency?

>Given what we can see of god's work so far, we can safely conclude he's either not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent. Random disasters, crop failures, genetic disease, parasites and viruses, suggest if god is all powerful he's akin to Jigsaw and this is all his sick game.

So what's your solution?

God must Deus Ex Machina every bad event that happens because it hurts your feelings that tragedies happen?

Fucking Futurama solved your theology 101 question in a 39 minute episode.

You still haven't answered my question.

>movie implies the existence of god

This guy is a freemason jesuit NWO multiculturalist shill and also a member of rotary international which is a subset of zionist bolshevist freemasonry

Protestantism arose out of the decentralization of the state that the Catholic Church created.

It's the most anti-state religion.Theres a reason Socialists hate it.

Your oblique, but if you are questioning the problem of natural evil see the Beatitudes

Causality still resides within our actions. Knowledge of the result does not deprive us of that. If you are assuming preternatural knowledge as a roadblock, that is because you are conceiving God as merely immortal, not eternal. Existing surely outside of time, every point the in the material universe, from beginning to end, is at the same distance from Him, there is no before or after, His response to all of time takes place in an eternal, unchanging, instant. Our perception of Him reacting based on our actions is due to our inability to think in a truly eternal way.

>because it hurts your feelings that tragedies happen
You suck at this Sup Forums

Protip: Sidestepping errors in theology by being a smug asshole throwing unrelated buzzwords won't make anyone believe that you believe in god

>God must Deus Ex Machina every bad event that happens because it hurts your feelings that tragedies happen?
No that must be done by a being that can simultaneously satisfy the conditions of omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

Suffering is a necessary aspect our existence.

>B-but I don't want to suffer

Tough shit.

>never said it's a sin

Lol, thanks for playing I guess

>rotary international which is a subset of zionist bolshevist freemasonry

Cling to that shit for as long as you want, you'll all look like hawaiians in 1000 years.

>venom
>lol semantics
Really convincing 2bh

>Theres a reason Socialists hate it.
Socialism is generally against organised religion, not your special flavor of bullshit.

it's not semantics
also he was talking about the ecumenic path, the context is important

He was an avatar of God in the form of man to prove to humanity that it is completely capable of holding up to the laws they deem to be hard.

The Temptation in the desert is a display of resounding resolve in belief.

The problem here is you're trying to think of him as Superman rather than a flawed human emissary.

>God must Deus Ex Machina
Oh you mean the god in the machine? God must god in the machine? How do you idiots manage to become like this?

ah yes, it's not like there have been multiple protestant states or protestant sects sucking up to the state/king for protection

>Beatitudes
IE Don't worry everything will be fixed when you die, get back to work.

francis kinda denies it too,

>He was an avatar of God in the form of man
>to prove to humanity that it is completely capable of holding up to the laws they deem to be hard.
>The Temptation in the desert is a display of resounding resolve in belief.
>The problem here is you're trying to think of him as Superman rather than a flawed human emissary.
Everything about this is wrong

The problem here I you believe I'm trying to convince you.

If we turn this around to what it is Atheism can provide to the world, it becomes a lot more asinine.

Yes, due to a random environmental fluctuations and limited resources and it exists in antithesis to the possibility of an all powerful omnibenevolent creator being.

To satisfy the requirements of Omnipotence means creating every single possible equation ever to exist at the same time.

Therefore our mere existence as well as this conversation is part of that infinite equation.

Overencompassing Omnipotence.

Your ideal vision of God is already happening, you're just not part of that equation.

Was good enough for thousands of martyrs who died when the thought of ending a worldwide persecution was laughable. Oh, and for the actual people who knew Christ the best in life. Its funny how if all they were after was the establishment of a cult for their material benefit, they all, to the man (John possibly excepted) underwent martyrdom. Even the convening Paul, who apparently just invented Christianity as a religion out of his own mind, still managed to find a way of getting his head lopped of. Plenty of popes and bishops after as well.